Four Corners - Greyhounds
Submitted by timboon on Mon, 2015-02-16 21:12
Have just watched the four corners episode of the live bating during the Grey Hound training...
I guess through naivety I had dismissed the cruelty to the dogs and had never thought much more about it...
If they treat the bait like they do I can only imagine what they do to the dogs that aren't at the top of their game...
I wont place another bet on the dogs after seeing what actually takes place...
Fucking disgusting!!
Speak with your feet fella's....
TB
timboon
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Barney did you read the
Barney did you read the opening post?
I am doing my bit - not punting on dogs because in reality that's the only bit I can really do.
There are worse things in the world???
Hmmm now we getting deep...
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Interesting so many condoning
Interesting so many condoning this behaviour. I think because I do believe most are still missing the big picture.
the basic concept here is rich people getting richer by cheating and lying to the public.
Also possible corruption (as Meglodon above put it ) in the stewards and umpires of the sport.
If you like that idea go ahead and turn a blind eye and if you had watched the programme, you would understand that this is the issue at hand.
Saying... paraphrase :"I don't need to see the program cos I grew up in a hard area" is just utterly ridiculous. See the program or do some reading and get the whole picture NOT just " some feral rabbits were killed"
I'll say I as well have read studies regarding pain receptors in fish as apposed to mammals (YEs I had a lot of time to spare when working offshore) Although the studies are not "conclusive" they certainly point towards the fact that fish do not feel pain/fear in the same way mammals do. this being irrelevant anyway because the biggest difference between live baiting fish and live baiting greyhounds in Australia is that one is legal and one is illegal.
I think someone above said "mind your own business or rules will be forced upon you" I think if you are against corruption and public rip offs then this IS your business and forums like this that bring the issue a little more public can help public awareness.
Someone above also said something along the lines of The industry is to big for it to be shut down.
Quote: "A few lines of B/S to the media..a few suspensions, go to ground for a while then the power of the $ will be to much to resist.
People will once again look the other way.
Then it will be bring our ya rabbits.. bring out ya rabbits and pigs posums and cats too Haha." end.
to me this is just giving up and saying "uncle". should we decide that the industry is too big and do nothing? a couple out there have put it on the line and decided contrary !
I'll say it again ....The obvious cruelty is only (IMO) a small part of the story. If you had watched the program you would have seen a well presented report showing
a big picture of crime and possible corruption, you would have seen "fatcats" with millions of dollars winnings (YOUR MONEY if you have ever bet on the dogs) in their tuxedos with their wives (in ball dresses) and children around them accepting awards. (Trainer of the year etc.) The same trainers the programme clearly show cheating in their chosen sport/profession.
sid
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hey mate just to clarify a
hey mate just to clarify a few 'paraphrases"i didnt grow up in a hard area,in fact far from it,front doors left unlocked keys hanging on strings...everyone knew their neighbors,and you knew who was doing what and when.rich were geting richer and there were less rules(laws)than there is now.Hard TIMES not places.The bitch was trying to bring in the three day week,and the rich were geting richer rules get made, rarely taken away.personaly having sorted out many three or four sided arguments between my kids my thinking is ban gambling on animals full stop...that will stop this "atrosity "from happening...or you could get insider info and bet on the right dog,make yourself a penny or two.Rich are still geting richer...Personaly i dont bet cop my avatar im not a pisshead.keep on fishing Sid
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OK no probs ....got that bit wrong
and I've certainly been known to be wrong before :)
...but my comments still stand.
I just felt I needed to say something about a lot of people's attitude to "it's just a few feral rabbits" and not bothering understand the real issues or to find out about the big picture before they make up their minds.
Personally I wouldn't want to blanket ban gambling of animals because like you say "make one rule and wait for the rest to come"
enjoy your fishing buddy
btw I don't really know much about the UK miner strikes but thought thatcher came in much later well after the 3 day week was kicked
sid
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hey mate just to clarify a
hey mate just to clarify a few 'paraphrases"i didnt grow up in a hard area,in fact far from it,front doors left unlocked keys hanging on strings...everyone knew their neighbors,and you knew who was doing what and when.rich were geting richer and there were less rules(laws)than there is now.Hard TIMES not places.The bitch was trying to bring in the three day week,and the rich were geting richer rules get made, rarely taken away.personaly having sorted out many three or four sided arguments between my kids my thinking is ban gambling on animals full stop...that will stop this "atrosity "from happening...or you could get insider info and bet on the right dog,make yourself a penny or two.Rich are still geting richer...Personaly i dont bet cop my avatar im not a pisshead.keep on fishing Sid
uncle
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I support you on that last paragraht
Cockheads will go to any length to con people out of their hard earned,don't get me started on these phone and online betting apps.
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Today's episode of grumpy
Today's episode of grumpy old men is not so entertaining
. On a brighter note how many commented on here and survived the wrath of TB. Easy boys easy, iam just a spectator
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ha ha Gilly
I missed it, didn't see it till this morning, must be more to come, few ales drunk I'd say
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A good thread with a few
A good thread with a few high emotions, nothing wrong with that as long as everyone sticks to the issue and doesn't get personal. D_d good feed back there
Love the West!
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Anyone read todays west australian news paper
Pages 6 & 7 of todays west has stories on grey hound racing and how clean it is in WA. On page 6 the last paragraph of the story has a past greyhound administrator saying that strict policing by the states stewards meant that it was almost impossible (for this type of thing)sic to be repeated in WA.
In answer to that all I can say is thank god the man is no longer an administrator of the sport.
Now on the very same page there is a story about the woman trainer who gave her dogs a little something to help them feel better.
just days after pleading guilty to 4 (yes 4)charges and coping an 18 month suspension for helping the dog/s and for keeping banned substances at her kennels which house up 100 dogs. She was named WAs number 1 trainer, and 2 of her dogs fought it out to see who was going to be the greyhound of the year.
I wonder why no one else's dogs got a look in.
Now to put it clearly this woman pleaded guilty to 4 doping charges failure to keep treatment records and having 1500 of the banned tablets kept in unlabelled containers on her property.
Now don't get excited about that, he's the rub.
Racing and Gaming WA (a government body with a minister responsible for it)told Australian Racing Greyhound Magazine that it did not question the woman's eligibility for the award after the suspension.
And just who was the fool that said crime doesn't pay,suck on that and love it.
WA where crime and corruption at high levels flourishes.
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read that
and I would imagine the greyhound of the year had some at sometime as well, these people are unbeilivable and I'm sure she wasn't doing it for money ha ha, what hope has the poor old punter got
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channy
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More than half the trainers
More than half the trainers here are probably using something on their dogs. My step dad works at the track, he's the guy that drives the lure and does track maintaince. No doubt he's heard quite a lot of what goes on. He knows of trainers that use untraceable substances that can't be picked up by swabs and also knows of at least 4 trainers who live bait. So for the past greyhound administrator to say that it's almost impossible to be repeated in wa is the biggest load of wank. Its not uncommon for trainers to get suspended and fined either. It's just nobody's made a big deal about it until now.
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The Wrath of TB is a classic
The Wrath of TB is a classic Gilly, Lucky I'm not a dog trainer and strapping these big brave men on here that don't have a problem with it down, ready for my potential trophy winning dog to tear into...
I have standards that are forever evolving as I learn in life, my current standards as the man I am now are a whole lot higher than both the scum that practice these acts and also those that have no issue with it...
Which side of this fence are you on a spectator Gilly?
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never saw the program bud,
never saw the program bud, saw a few news reports and the paper and cant help but think money makes man do anything to be the richest. I will say that animals before we huminised them, hunted and killed regardless of what they are. cant help but think that these people good or bad are only using those instincts to win. so after all that you think i havent answered your question?
hunting pigs, trapping foxes, rabbits and cats, shooting roos, wild dogs and camels etc is only humane if done with a single shot (elite shots). most of these i have done and at no point have i felt guilty or inhumane. i ask you how dou you feel when you see a report of dogs hunting a pig and the man leading the charge cuts its throat after the dogs have won the war. yes i know its not the same as an animal strappped to a slingshot but it is still hunting.
i feel this has hit a soft spot with you but you need to remember that this is an open forum and people are intitled to there opinion good or bad. the way the news has presented this topic over the last couple days would leave me to believe they have been on a witch hunt.
PS: i dont bet and dont no how to, i think your refusal to bet on dogs is admiral but will fall on less then deaf ears. this to me is a very big market and at the end of the day no holds bared best cheater wins
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You still going on tim LOL
Get a life man and settle a bit. Smell the fresh air relax and if that doesn't work go see a shrink.
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Faux
LOL, gotta love faux rage on a forum.
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Your still reading,
Your still reading, commenting with no substance OW...
The air I breath is fresh old boy,
Hmmm a shrink, I'll go with you ok...
Lets both speak our minds and see who is booked in for on going sessions...
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Haha
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Language
Guys please with the swearing, its not required, you can adequately get your point accross without the profanity.
I will give this thread a little bit longer as there have been some valid points. Keep it constructive or it will be locked up which I don't want to have to do.
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there must be a case to answer
the whole greyhound board resigned in NSW
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Gilly to reply to
Gilly to reply to you...
Hunting as you well know comes in many forms, whether that's 400 mtr gully shots in the alps or close range shot gunning, running pigs with dogs, foxes with horses...
The list goes on...
Had these animals been given any sort of chance and not strapped/bound hung lap after lap I would have much less of a problem with it as after all animals survive by hunting animals, its no right of mine to step in when nature takes place...
I'm glad you have at least seen some of the footage to form your your opinion...
Yes this is an open forum but I can't deal with brainless remarks, comments from people in any forum... That's me
I found it to be a very well put together program which exposed BULK evidence going right to the top, the best trainers ( worst )in the country were exposed...
Call it a witch hunt if you like, this to me is what makes Australia the country it is... We don't tolerate what we know is wrong no matter how much money is involved...
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News just in...
The entire board of Greyhound Racing NSW has been sacked because of the widespread live baiting in the industry...
Brucesta
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i've watched it, i didn't
i've watched it, i didn't like it but i'm going to keep an open mind.
What i found more disturbing was the ease of just putting the dog in the ground if it's lame or no good. I'll play devils advocate here in this instance but again i am in no way supporting the practice of live baiting but how many more dogs would be in in the ground racing at Angel Park on friday if perhaps they didn't respond to being broken in? I'd rather see a feral/introduced animal tied up than some greyhound trainers huge pit in the back of the property with dogs piled up in it.
I have an issue about those doing the right thing, there are people out there no doubt doing the wrong thing but i'm sure there are just as many and i hope heaps more trainers doing all the right things for animal welfare trying to train thier dogs to win by the book. The administration of all racing codes probably really needs to be looked at but it's very clear where the priority lies.
Will this stop me from having a bet? nope not a chance for the reason above, call me naive but if we just blanket ban the industry we are going to hurt those doing the right thing, people will always push the boundarys in any sport, we are only weeks away from the Essendon saga being put to bed, weren't we all disgusted when it first broke into the media? you bet! but we are all counting down the days until the first bounce of the new season. we're not boycotting the AFL or Football because of one 1 club are we? sure they are not tearing up bound animals but i hope you see my point.
Certianly some passion for the topic here, i nearly brought into a few dogs myself but thought it was better spent on my boat and tackle collection, it's yet to win me any prizes probably much like the hounds i may have brought in to but thats life. Soak a line fellas i also don't have an issue using our version of live bait either :)
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food for thought here
but if we are playing the devils advocate,
Quote:" how many more dogs would be in in the ground racing at Angel Park on friday if perhaps they didn't respond to being broken in? I'd rather see a feral/introduced animal tied up than some greyhound trainers huge pit in the back of the property with dogs piled up in it."
personally not sure that justifying torture to save another's life is right.
And more the the point :I would think that the racing industry is only so big and that if some save an animal on their property by teaching it more effectively by illegal means then this is only going to make a bigger pile on someone else's property ....more than likely a trainer who is doing the right thing.
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Brucesta... No I don't
Brucesta...
No I don't really see your point mate...
The reality of an industry that breeds dogs to race means that for every dog good enough to spend a few years of its life in good form means there will no doubt be ten dogs that end up in the ground...
Saying that we should put up with this sort of behaviour because it will mean more dogs might end up in the ground reminds me of the scene out of BORAT when he's speaking with the animal liberationists... They're all veg'Os and he asked them would they eat a chicken? Of course they say no, he then says what If I said if you don't eat this chicken i'll kill another chicken...
2 wrongs don't make a right - right?
If it means a short term loss for a longer term gain then that's what needs to happen.
I think this will may just be the shake up the industry needs.
TB
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having watched the program
having watched the program
it is totally wrong imo to be treating animals in this way , the people responsible should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law
however the entire industry should not be shut down , it serves no good to penalise those who are not commiting offences
i have friends who have suffered greatly when the live cattle trade was just closed down overnight a few years ago , they have lost farms, familys boken up and mental health issues as a result
as one who shoots and does kill things there is no joy or pleasure in seeing any animal suffer needlessly , do it as humanley as possible & if you are not going to use an animal or fish etc then dont kill it ,
humans in general are a very cruel species with a deeper understanding of the pain/suffering we can inflict on our others , pity we did not also stop the cruelty between our selves and express the same amount of outrage over coward punches , drink drivers etc
i have never bet on the dogs , never interested me
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TB spot on, 2 wrongs don't
TB spot on, 2 wrongs don't make a right.
I don't know the industry myself so i'm not how many make it from pups to being on the track, i don't really want to know either i'll stay ignorant and it seems you don't know either. I didn't like the practice of live baiting and those found guilty or associated with it deserve the book thrown at them i don't agree the industry needs to shut down for my other reasons above. That's my point of view i'm not asking it to be yours.
From what i have been reading in the press, the shake up has begun!
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Hey guys, did you hear about the greyhound story on 4 corners? Interesting yarn.
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Fotho or not?
What's your position on it Dale?
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My position,,, it's illegal and its cheating. Pretty simple huh.
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Whats your position on it
Whats your position on it BJ?
Well said Hezzy...
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Already
Already stated it.
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unbelievable below
unbelievable below
hezzy
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Ban lifted on Victorian greyhounds linked to live baiting scandal
A greyhound chases a live possum with its jaws wide open
Photo: Four Corners revealed live possums were being used as bait as a part of a greyhound's race training regime. (Supplied: Animals Australia)
Related Story: Live rabbits allegedly used as lures at Victorian greyhound racing track
A ban imposed on Victorian greyhounds linked to a live baiting scandal has been lifted by the state's greyhound racing authority.
Dozens of trainers in Victoria, New South Wales and Queensland have been suspended and inquiries have been launched after the ABC's Four Corners revealed the use of live baiting to train greyhounds.
Pigs, possums and rabbits were mauled to death by the racing dogs, the program reported on Monday.
In Victoria, 15 trainers have been suspended and all dogs under their charge were banned early last week until the investigation into live baiting was complete.
But Greyhound Racing Victoria (GRV) has since reversed its decision after legal threats from owners and advice from the chief steward that there was no clear evidence against particular dogs.
I think our feelings reflect those of the general public - we're disgusted, it's a despicable act.
Adam Wallish, Greyhound Racing Victoria
GRV CEO Adam Wallish said the greyhounds could race if their owners signed a statutory declaration to declare they had made "reasonable inquiries" and did not believe their greyhounds were the subject of live baiting.
"The board received a briefing from the chief steward on Thursday on his investigations and inquiries so far," he said.
"On that basis the board resolved to lift the suspensions on the greyhounds but determined to immediately reinstate those suspensions if further evidence comes to the fore.
"So they're required to sign a statutory declaration and submit that to the GRV."
He said the chief steward had reviewed 10 hours of footage taken by Animals Australia and passed on by Victoria's Racing Integrity Commissioner Sal Perna.
"I'm not at liberty to say the detail around what's going on with the investigation... but it's reasonable to say that the identity of the greyhounds in the footage would be very difficult to make out from the footage we've seen," Mr Wallish said.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-21/ban-lifted-on-victorian-greyhounds-linked-live-baiting-scandal/6176194
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sid
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Only one enemy,them that
Only one enemy,them that makes them friggin rules,(or dont make/enforse them friggin rules YOU asked for)the rich are still getin richer.....keep on fishing Sid
timboon
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Cryptic Sid... I take it
Cryptic Sid...
I take it your not a fan of rules in general Sid?
I hear the fishing is awsome in Syria with cheap flights...
sid
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Timothy,to answer your first
Timothy,to answer your first question
no im not a fan of rules at all
do you seriously think the mob that broke this atrosity to animals story will be satisfied if they stop it?
news to you matey this is the first bullet in a war they aint gonna stop till any cruelty or percieved cruelty to animals is stoped....
Hang on this is a fishing site....
Secondly the worst rules come from books hundrds of years old,and can be read and "understood" in many differant ways Syria may well be a good place to fish,and the fares reasonable,but their punishment far to severe for me...a mere fisherperson...
i see from your profile you spent a fair part of your life living with your parents,flippin brutal world out here.
Nice to see your out here with the rest of us now.
Meanwhile while we have been chattin about this subject a few nonces have been given bail and more preists have been caught out.
One of my own self imposed rules...look after your own and that wtich affects your own.
and look at the bigger picture.
in case you forgot... the rich are still geting richer,and im hamering quinns beach
cheers Sid
saltatrix
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Another grab by the Greens
Another grab by the Greens like the live cattle export. 15 trainers busted. How many trainers are there in Victoria? 1000s? So its a very small percentage.
Now because Gillard shut down live cattle export Australian taxpayers are compensating the incompetence. Yeah, you go to work Saturday and pay bulk tax to fund the collapse in the industry. You and I are the ones that paid for this.
Not Indonesians laughing their heads off.
Unfortunately this is a perfect example of something like marine parks where large areas are closed, rules made but policing is non existent. The law is left to the bad guys to get away with it and occasionally someone unbeknown crosses the line and strung up.
Its a cunning stunt.
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So Salt you dont have a
So Salt you dont have a problem with this practise?
You seem to be compiling a whole lot of your annoyance in one response...
About the only similarity to the live export and this greyhound story is the inhumane shocking treatment of animals...
Its pretty popular and easy to blame the greens each time there is a story that involves either flora or fauna...
It kind of grows a bit old IMO, it might work with a facebook audience...
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Much of the environmental
Much of the environmental movements funds come through a proxy oil trust from sections of oil & gas community that has killed millions and still killing marine animals right through the life cycle in currents down our coast. Their hands covered in blood.
Spills and dispersant's have done untold unseen damage
The environmental movement is very carefully managed by liability structures funded by certain entities of the oil industry.
We heard more about greyhounds than the Montara genocide. And they act so righteous
Wilkie has been trying to put the gaming industry in a GIMP suit for years
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saltatrix
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3 indigenous children went
3 indigenous children went missing the other week but media greyhound hype has overwhelmed their disappearance.
How many juvenile marlin were wiped out? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montara_oil_spill
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Perspective. People are so easily manipulated by the media with emotion. Go fishing while you can. Its not such a free country any more
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Gun
Yep, fishing is definitely in the gun Saltatrix. Those who deal only in emotion want to ban all types of fishing, hunting, horse racing etc. Constant vigilance is required.
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saltatrix
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We have multiple oil spill
We have multiple oil spill genocides and UWA marine bio students saying, stop recreational fishermen killing penguins
In perspective, this isnt a media story, its an agenda
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Your right on the money Saltatrix
With all the shit going on around us and the abc with their mates like the greens and tosser wilkie have to carry on about a few rabbits and pigs
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So, GRV says all is ok with the sport in Victoria
What a tragic sop, what it says is that the level of law breaking and manipulation is so great in our sport we are not going to throw any stones because we aren't sure of what windows might get broken.
By the way GRV did you get the bottle of red I sent you for Christmas..
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saltatrix
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15 trainers in Victoria is
15 trainers in Victoria is not rampant but the story has been running for days.
If its so bad, where was the RSPCA etc?
There's possums but this is ok over and over? Not even an aerator..
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The RSPCA were the ones who
The RSPCA were the ones who raided the properties and if you mean Police by "etc" they were there too.
timboon
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I struggle to understand
I struggle to understand your point on this topic Salt?
I work in the Oil Industry and have done for the best part of ten years.
I'm bewildered as to why NOPSEEMA allows the COREXIT dispersant to be utilised should there be a kick IE Montara...
But....
This isn't about Oil or Mullet...
This topic was simply avoid punting on the dogs if your equally as disgusted as I was at the treatment of the lures...
Feel free to start a thread and rant like i've done on all of the topics you've mentioned and attached photo's to...
When people get on these threads and start to compare shark attacks to road deaths etc etc a thread soon looses track...
I'm certainly not against most of what you speak of Salt but a subject looses substance when it goes sideways...
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Wow. You sure got excited
Wow. You sure got excited for something that is solved as 'simple as not betting on the dogs'. Here I was thinking you were passionate enough to actually do something meaningful.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
sid
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you got it dodgy i think hes
you got it dodgy i think hes a plant, on the other side,
Sid
timboon
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Is that how its solved
Is that how its solved dodgy?
I dont think its that simple ol boy,
I used to have the odd punt but I'll now avoid showing my support if thats ok with you because i dont see the need to add to a pretty sad industry seemingly...
What is simple though is I'm passionate enough to voice my opinion and cop it from the likes of you on here while trying to gain a little bit of support from those that might have also seen the report and choose to also avoid the TAB...
Thats how simple it is for me...
Other side of what Sid?
This topic seems pretty personal for you Sid...
How's Syria Sid?
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I think I missed the boat on
I think I missed the boat on this one. Been doing outdoor things for the last week.
I think the point has been mentioned but missed in the banter.
It is/was Fkn disgusting, and anyone involved then/now/in the future should be hung out to dry. There is no excuse for this sort of crap. Im not a violent person, but if I ever came across that trainer with the "funny" voice he probably would get at least a verbal earful.
And not only being cruel, but betting on the poor animal strapped to the lure - that got me more pissed off.
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timboon
Posts: 2924
Date Joined: 14/11/10
Careful Cransy you'll be
Careful Cransy you'll be labelled a greeny/environmentalist here shortly...
After all they were only rabbits apparently...
quadfisher
Posts: 1146
Date Joined: 28/09/10
Banned for life, well done queensland racing.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/superracing/live-baiting-scandal-fourteen-queensland-greyhound-trainers-banned-for-life/story-fnhq6c5p-1227325469428
A nice footnote to the story , I didnt post when it went down , but this is a nice bookend to the story so far.
quadfisher
meglodon
Posts: 5981
Date Joined: 17/06/10
I love a story with a good ending
20 trainers warned off for life from having anything to do with the greyhound industry in Qld.
Damn good to see IMO
Now, what about NSW and Victoria.