what a crock of shit!!

I dont understand the license costs
$150 a year per person?? or per boat.??

This isnt about helpign the fishery, its about revenue raising!!!

per person, plus a individual licence to fish froma boat!

yep... greedy coffers lining their pockets!

BEND OVER...HERE IT COMES!!!!

$30 per person to fish on a boat, and an extra $150 to fish for demersal species on top of it, so basically you want to go fishing for dhuies, it will cost you $180 per year each person on the boat if you elect a yearly licence

that is horse sh*t.

Coudl they make it any more obvious that its a money grab scheme?

any wading, diving or angling to catch fish, crabs or shellfish are taken where a boat is used to access the fishing location.

So this means any island fishing your required to have a license aswell.

So if you got the ferry to rotto, or mackie islands or any of those, your required to have a license!!!!.....

Or do they class the boat trip via a non "fishing charter" vessel as being the escape clause there?

they will change change it to rottnest ferries and charters and bingo, you need a licence, its all about to money money money

I hope Pat Shinnick , the president of the Australian Anglers Association of WA is happy along with the other members of the AAAWA who took it on themselves to be the representatives for all WA boat anglers according to their letter to the West Australian, dated 5th May 2009. As was stated in this article in the West, "WA anglers" back seasonal bans on fishing for the 5 at rick species and the members of the association(speaking for all anglers) also backed licencing all anglers. Hang your heads in shame, how can a small minority group like this think they can speak for all the Anglers of Western Australia. I just hope they can afford to buy a fishing licence for themselves and I hope they don't have a large family who fish. Also, think of the pensioners. you clowns.
Good luck to all Boat Dealers, Tackle Shops and anyone involved in Boating and Fishing.
I hope the Charter people and the Pros have to adhere to the two months annual bans.

“This new West Coast demersal licence will cost $20 for one day, $60 for a fortnight or $150 annually to fish for any of the listed species.

but then states

The Minister said that a two-month ban on recreational fishing for species on the West Coast bioregion demersal scalefish list would also apply from October 15 to December 15 each year.

So basically its an annual licence that you can only use for 10 months, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm some false advertising there, lets take them to the fair trades tribunal lol, so basically its $15 per month for the 10 months, doesnt sound like alot when put that way, but its still an outlay of $180 either way you look at it, seems the ol favorite pastime of fishing is soon going to be a luxury some wont be able to afford.

Can just see it now, a kid asks his dad to take him fishing on the boat, sorry son, we cant afford the licence so we cant go, nothings for free anymore, next we will have a shitting levy placed.

This is quoted from another press release from Mr Moore today.

“It is important to understand that recent changes to regulations governing fishing for demersal species such as pink snapper and dhufish may result in an increased fishing effort for near shore species such as herring and whiting,” Mr Moore said.

“Under this new project, researchers will work with key recreational and commercial bodies (including Rechfishwest and the WA Fishing Industry Council) and universities to collect data and set up sampling programs for near shore species.

“They will study the factors influencing indicator species like herring, tailor and whiting and investigate how such factors impact on stock levels.

“It is important that any fishing effort shift resulting from the current need to reduce the take of offshore species will not exacerbate the decline in near shore species.”

The Minister did not rule out imposing further restrictions on the fishery should the research project confirm anecdotal evidence that coastal fish stocks were under increased pressure.

why cant they just be like Victoria, a simple $20 general angling licence for anyone who fishes whether its freshwater estuary or offshore, with the amount of people who fish i think they will still get a huge amount of money to pay for fishing, and i know most people wouldnt kick up a stink if it was like that

The new West Coast demersal licence will apply in the West Coast bioregion which extends from Black Point, east of Augusta, to the Zuytdorp Cliffs north of Kalbarri.

Im a bit confused, do we need the demersal liscence up here,I understand we need the statewide liscence, and is the closed season only applicable to people in the formentioned regions??

Back to landbased for me

I can understand the need to preserve fish-stocks, but this is ridiculous!! I agree with mako why not jsut have a standard license that covers everything. This means for a family of 4 to go and bottom fish behind 3 mile it will cost $720! plus your fuel, and your boat rego, trailer rego and parking at the boat ramp!!    

This is absolute robbery, this government is hell bent on money, money, money

How is this going to help the fish stocks? scare anglers off??

So your saying bodie if i go 2 rotto and fish i will need a licence?

The wanderer you are spot on with your comment.

Cheers

Dave

They think REC fish is stuffing our ocean , ahh what about trawlers cant tell me 500 tonne of fish at once aint killing our waters , what about illegal fishing on our grounds thousands of tonnes wasted. They aint getting my farking money

 yes we pay xtra for the privelage of fishing from a boat 150 per person and  an xtra 30 dollars 2 fish 4 herring tailor etc,maybe we should sack norman moore,colin barnett and all this liberal party,i spend heaps on licencing my boat,fuel etc,but lets overfish all inshore species of fish,what sence does that make,hey norman and recfish,which stands 4 wreck fishing 4 honest conservative fishermen and fishyerwomaen like myself,this is beyond the joke,who cares y uwa lost 100,000 dollars last year,what happened 2 fishing as a way of life and enjoyment 4 all 

Totally agree with everything said - though can anything be
done to reverse this decision? Some type of protest etc

I spoke with my old man - he's a member of the Mindarie
District Sea Sports Club - they talked about getting all their members to hook
up their boats and take them into the city to hold a protest - basically block
up all the roads etc... similar to what the truckies have done in the past:)

Would be good to see something done as this is just
ridiculous!

I'm going to sell the boat (no servicing for local mercury service centres), stop spending thousands a year on tackle at local stores and go on a overseas fishing trip every year... Will catch good fish, will be a lot cheaper and the state government will get fuk all from me - as if they don't get enough already...   

yeah im wonderingg wheather any thought went to into the businesses that will suffer from this

Tackle stores
Marine stores
Boat shops
Marine mechanics

The list goes on.

I bought a boat only 4 months ago, and with an announcement like this, its probably losst a huge amount in value over night.

I think the message is clear, alot of people agree something needs to be done about helping the situation, and of recent times, there ihas been much talk little action, but way overkill.

too true, how do kayakers fit into this?? is there going to be a huge rush for yaks? are they classified as a boat??

A lot of kayakers can't afford a boat,,now they will not be able to afford to fish from kayaks.

Not a fan of blocking the freeway and stuffing up evey ones day,,but a rally at Parliment house or at Norman Moores house would be good.

Yeah got to agree here that $150 is pretty tough for the extra license.

Would be nice to see some of this revenue raised go into some impoundment type fishing.  I spent some time over in Queensland a couple of months ago and the impoundment fishing in that place is insane.  Stretched over 300km you've got dams stocked with barra, saratoga, yellowbelly perch, bass, silver perch, catties... the works.  I know we're plenty further south than Brisbane is on the map but there's still got to be options as far as perch, trout, cod and possibly bass go?  Mav you've probably got ideas here?!

Fishing licences I agree with but the way this one is proposed is ridiculous. Make it an affordable cost and a one off licence for all types of fishing be it land based, boating, freshwater, crustaceans etc.

Further to my comment above goodbye charter operators... http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/pub/RecFishArrange/FAQ-July%202009.pdf  

the new rules and licenses are just proof that they dont give a toss about fish just revenue bye bye mr moore you just screwed yourself

So whens the protest? Put my name down

I say lets spend the next 2 weeks solid catching as many blowfish as possible and dump them on mr moore front door step

One of the main reasons I got into kayak fishing instead of getting a boat was so I didn't have to get any stupid licences. I will gaurantee the main reason for this is to pump more dollars into unsustainable country towns, as part of that blackmail deal that the National party made with the Liberals to win the last election.

Protesting is the least we can do people.  Lets have a grassroots protest - Adam, want to head up a fishwrecked protest?

If anyone has an email address we can send these types of responses to, post it up.

Atleast this way it can be heard.

norman.moore@mp.wa.gov.au

THIS IS MADNESS!!!!!

I cant believe they can justify the fees.

How many boat fishos will now fish to the max bag/boatlimit each trip rather than being happy with 1 or 2 Dhuies???

How many boats will be sold/not used as its just become a rich mans passtime???

SURELY there are better ways of preserving the fishery rather than the mighty dollar???

NOT HAPPY AND I DONT HAVE A BOAT!!!!

Andrew

Classic how little Hal Harvey has said about it this time.

Back at the election they were bleating pretty hard when Jon Ford proposed *just* the V5 band, and now they're bringing in a ban AND fees and he has nothing to say about it?

Incumbency, it ROCKS!

This WA government really needs to wake up they are meat to be there to help the people and screw them over

Fishing will be a thing of the past

this is going to destroy a lot of businesss and eve the small towns

replace this money grabbing government and get somone in who wants to help out the public

The old bloke who has worked hard all his life has retired bought a boat with his super is not going to be able to afford this

the bloke who is unemployed and and gets invited out on a friends boat wont either

Bunch of WANKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Could be time to sell the boat and tackle and take up sailing as a hobby

I wondering if jetski's will be excempt do like the ifish boys and troll that way

If you were doing it for fish stocks wouldnt you ban the taking of say 1 species, (a snapper, dhu, ect) for the period of 1 year, to let them get on with being fish and rotate it year about (to a different species)so that at least they will have a chance and at least average joe will still be able to take a feed.

Makes alot of common sence to me!!

Obviously this Government thinks the Boom is still happening and anyone who owns a boat can afford this fee. I am lucky living on the South Coast but I can only wait until this will fee cover the whole state. We recently had the Fisheries Dept ask for the catch records of our fishing club and they clearly said it was for records only....Bull SH.....We will be wearing the same fee soon even though on a good day there would be only 25 boats out in 100 square km's. They believe that is over fishing.....unbelievable

Can the moderators make a seperate "sticky" thread with Norman Moores email addy urging members to send a protest email????

Im awaiting permission to do the same on a Landrover website I moderate.

I also urge members to get the same sort of post on other fishing/4x4 websites they frequent.

Thanks

Andrew

Dear Mr. Moore,
I am deeply concerned about your proposed recreational boat fishing license announce on the 2nd July 2009. The license is both discriminatory and highly overpriced, no one questions the integrity of sustainable fish management but why has a single user group been targeted in this license. This should rather have been a broad based fishing license across all sectors and a smaller affordable fee for users of boats to fish.

There are approx 85,000 registered boats in Western Australia, why wasn’t a low cost broad range license considered for the estimated 640,000 recreational fishers. It is hard to get an accurate figure, but revenue for the whole 640,000 recreational fishers would be much higher than just targeting one group and would therefore enable more resources to be allocated to this important area and drive improved fisheries management.

As well, West Australian boat users have just had a 30 per cent increase in boat licenses, the introduction of the Recreational Skippers Ticket and 406 EPIRBs, and are now expected to cope with this extravagantly high additional cost for the demersal license.

WA's recreational boat users would urge you to reconsider this discriminatory license and seek more effective methods for a sustainable fishing future in Western Australia.
To that end, we would request you keep a more open mind on licenses, particularly a low cost broad based general license as accepted in other states around Australia, if they are required.

I suggest you look carefully at the attached South African license permit system on the back of the permit, as it’s affordable, doubles as a fishing log to enable long-term data, but most of all allows you to cap the 10% of fishermen that catch 90% of the fish!

This permit in South Africa has worked for nearly ten years now and reduced the pillage and plunder of certain stocks. Also it is easily issued via news-agents, online and state post-offices. I believe even tackle shops and a coin operated machine one is now working in some rural areas.

It’s true that many like to catch a feed of fish, but some catch the vulnerable species every week after week, after week.

I would rather propose you sue this license log permit system and cap the vulnerable species like Dhuies, Pink Snapper etc to a max take per year and still keep the daily bag limit.

With this control tool, you can cut one persons take of Dhu fish from over 50 a year, to a more sustainable amount of say 10 per year. Same goes for other species.

The crux of the management is not the reduction in effort of people fishing, but the total take impact per angler for the year.

This quota license system, with log attached to license and very heavy penalties will stop over fishing of a species by the heavy hitters. More V5 species are taken every year by the 10% of anglers that are skilled, fish over 70 days a year and take home their limits practically 80% of the times they go out.

Secondly closed no fishing zones for periods of 18 months to two years, max of 10 miles wide and 30 miles out to sea, will give rest periods to re stock and remove the fishing pressure on zones. Ideally about ten zones closed at time every year, from Kalbarri to the Capes in the south.

Thirdly, usage of online log books and data collection points to get true catch data, will allow the scientific community, from both sides of the spectrum, to analysis the effect of the rec effort and corrective measures and not allow individuals to push baseless data down the public's throat and influence decision makers with biased and skewered agendas

This is my view on a sustainable, fair and manageable Rec Fishing Management Plan for WA and the Metro region.

Tony Halliday

Here is a post I have made on our Landrover website.

I urge all of you that visit other Fishing/4x4 or similar websites to post similar threads.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/fishing-shack/83039-protest-against-new-wa-fishing-fees.html

Andrew

Wayne Leech what a great idea, I've commented on one of the other pages and suggested we bulk purchase some "Jolly Roger" flags for the boats and cars, perhaps also bumper stickers. "NO "MOORE" TAX", NO "MOORE" FEES, FISH FOR FREE".

But Wayne Leechs suggestion of us all towing our boats into the city at peak hours is A FANTASTIC IDEA, I've got a 5.8m Chivers to join so I'm in, Perhaps we could co ordinate on this web site and shut down the freeways and the city centre for a few hours each week and see if he gets our message........

For most fishos we try to do the right thing, catch and release, limit our catch, release weights, etc etc clean up Australia day assistance, and this is what we get from MYOPIC FLAT HEADED MINISTERS, lets take some action.

shane

What aboiut the NOCP think mentioned in fishing wa about modding 4x4's? ohh and what was the mention of the 4x4 tax in the paper a week or so ago ? more pay as using larger car? what do we all use to pull boats?

With the global economic downturn and the reduction of staff in all government departments- the question is- How is the grossly inadequate fisheries department going to police these new regulations. I fish predominately in country areas, ie Exmouth Dongara Ledge Point, Lancelin and a South Coast location(name withheld).

I have only been approached by an actual fisheries officer once in the past 5 years (not including VFLO's). If you were going to run the gauntlet and not pay you would be unlucky to get caught. I think the bulk of this license money ($60 000 000 minimum) will be used to employ at least another 100 fisheries staff- if not you have no chance of policing it.

The log system and accurate data is all well and good, but i am aware of an individual down south who has been known to catch 70+ pinkies at a time-and unless you do the hard yards and investigate them yourself- fisheries could not give a crap! Not that the local pub cares- as they are being supplied with cheap fish.

I am all for a license- done properly (Norman Moore should have a look at what other states have done).

PS- I think singling out Hal Harvey due to alignment with libs is a bit harsh- He probably has more to lose than most of us- I dare say he would be having plenty to say behind closed doors at present.

I have only been approached by an actual fisheries officer once in the
past 5 years (not including VFLO's). If you were going to run the
gauntlet and not pay you would be unlucky to get caught. I think the
bulk of this license money ($60 000 000 minimum) will be used to employ
at least another 100 fisheries staff- if not you have no chance of
policing it.

Possibly with the decline and consolidation of the commercial fleet revenue fisheries research has had a sudden decline in research money?

It has been stated what the trust find money will be spent on. Im sure there will be looking forward to transparency in the expenditure of the trust find money.

They will probably demand it.

What day are we all taking our boats into the city??

Take a read....

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,25732593-2761,00.html

A petition to urge the Minister to reconsider the new license scheme now has over 250 sigantures and some great comments.

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http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Fishing_Licence?e

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http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Fishing_Licence/signatures-1.html

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