Marine Parks - Not looking good for REC FISHOS
Submitted by Brody on Tue, 2010-12-14 14:20
http://www.gmagazine.com.au/news/2352/burke-urged-stand-sea
Looks like the greens/pew are pretty damn close to reaching their marine park goals.
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meersy
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The greens/labour can shove
The greens/labour can shove it right up there &$$
cuthbad
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all you ever here when
all you ever here when fishing is "oh, its not like it used to be". then as soon as any moves are made to protect stocks its up in arms. Also, lets remember marine parks, marine reserves and no take zones are all different things. Havent quite got my head around the defenitions myself but worth keeping in mind i reckon. And yea i know, marine reserves are not a proven method for improving stocks of ALL fish species, but cant hurt i reckon.
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JohnF
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If done correctly, I recon
If done correctly, I recon some larger no fish zones will be a good thing, as it will allow some (not all) species, dedicated areas to restock for the future and also just leave some zones pristine......we cat just rape and pillage everything........well I spose we can, but look where it is getting us.
There is no doubt we cant keep going on like we are, all we will be left with is wrasse and blowies.........
Just imagine how good the fishing was on the 3 mile reef system 50 years ago.....and imagine what it will be like in 50 years time if we do nothing.........I have kids, and am willing to sacrifice some fishing areas now for future benefit.
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D_DOUSH
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Nuthing wrong with the fish
Nuthing wrong with the fish in 3 mile if you ask me, ive caught more dhuies and pinkies on the 3mile out of hillarys in the last 2 years than i have in the last 6 before that.
jarradb
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I agree darren, the amount of
I agree darren, the amount of dhuies and pinkies i've landed out there and the sizes,.. people wouldnt belive it, I here people saying there is no dhuies and pinkies left all the time but there is they just dont no how to catch them.
snappermiles
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you hit the nail on the head
they closed cockburn sound to snapper fishing because they were (ENDANGERED) HAHA bull there was still tonnes of fish in the bay its just every one would fish around one school! and half the guys fishing for them couldnt even anchor there boat properly never mind fish!! now we cant fish for them but theres that many out there now the whites are coming into the bay to feed on them! i seen four different huge schools of snapper about a month back i spent three hours in the bay searching for them!! so how can they tell us these fish are endangered??? its like the duhies if they were that worried why dont they stop the pros catching so many in there nets half of which only fall out on the way up!! its all crap the greens are imposing because they dont want anyone to fish or hunt!
ALL FISHERMEN ARE LIARS EXCEPT YOU AND ME! AND IM NOT SO SURE ABOUT YOU!
cuthbad
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lol!mate its not a question
lol!
mate its not a question of how many people are catching or even how many are there, its are the numbers increasing or decreasing.
Do you mean "they" suggested snapper are in danger of extinction? if so I would love to see where this was suggested and what time frame "they" were talking about?
cheers
till
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Get with the facts. Cockburn
Get with the facts.
Cockburn sound was closed because they didn't want a breeding aggregation targetted.
Salmo
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Recfishers asked for Cockburn to be closed
It could be argued that the reason that there are so many baby pinks out there now is because we protected the breeding stocks
till
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Yeah, its just a bit sad that
Yeah, its just a bit sad that people like snappermiles can't see that a little bit of conservation planning is good for fishing.
snappermiles
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till im not saying
go hell for leather and catch as many as you want! im saying that closing the bays for five months of the year is going a bit over board!
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snappermiles
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well the words "they" used
were under threat!!! and to be honest "IF" the numbers were going down you would have to say it could have been due to the cray boys pulling anywhere up to and sometimes over a hundred pinkies out of the water a day off safety bay for many years through out the cray season! not to mention all the set lines the pro fisherman used to have in cockburn before he was banned from using them!
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cuthbad
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pretty big difference mate.
pretty big difference mate. and if the people who do the research say stocks are under threat, just cuz you can still catch some snapper doesnt prove they r wrong. Dont fish for snapper much but thought it has to do with spawning aggregations and all kinda stuff anyway.
Love how moves made by fisheries or whoever to protect stocks automatically translates into the greens hidden agenda lol, ah well everyone needs a scape goat i guess
EDIT: yep till beat me to it about the spawning or wateva.
till
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Ahh and fishos like this why
Ahh and fishos like this why pro-conservation agenda can paint fishos as a bunch of nutbars.
snappermiles
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yes it was closed
because of that as well! but we have been fishing for them during breeding season for three generations of my family and there have been many boats out there doing this and i have seen no decline in the snapper so why change??? they bought the limit down to save the stocks so why do they also need a closed season as well?? my point is slowly they are closing down our fishing through tighter bag limits closed seasons more marine parks the way its going soon you wont be able to fish! and the greens are pushing this!
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cuthbad
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the greens dont controll bag
the greens dont controll bag limits and closed seasons mate, your barking up the wrong tree. Those who do the RESEARCH and have the EVIDENCE make these decisions. Glad youve not seen a decline in stocks, but those who know what they are talking about have.
snappermiles
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cuthbad the greens
have been trying to close fishing and hunting down for a long time!!! they are getting more power and slowly they are going to close more and more waters!!
just wait and see!
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meersy
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good on ya snappermiles
Im with you mate.Cuthbad refers to EVEDENCE and RESERCHERS as the be all and end all of the fish stocks debate. Remember this info is done using the crill survey. Basically an estimate guess that could not be more wrong. Till refers to a little bit of conservation as being a good thing. I AGREE! but its getting beond a joke.I have been fishing for demersals full on now for 7 years , and to start off with i couldnt catch a big dhu or pinky for the life of me.I thought that there were no fish out there.But then as i got more experiance i started catching more and more fish, to now when I can catch my bag limit just about ever time i go out.So basicaly what i am saying is just because the reserchers cant find big dhuies, or other demersals they want to ad to the endangered list doesnt mean there at risk of extintion.It means they cant find them!!!!!!The only thing that is at risk of extinction is the reco fisherman.Basically the greens dont give a shit if its fishing, hunting or four wheel driving on the beach to you favorite fishing hole, before long they will stop everthing that us aussies have done for generations and if you dont believe that you have your head up ya ass
snappermiles
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im with you every step
of the way meersy!!! its not going to be long and we wont be able to fish!!! all this preserve it for the next generation its not going to happen because they will close it completely so you think your doing your son a favour by preserving the fish when by the time he is old enough to have his own boat you wont be allowed to fish!!! if your every chasing a like minded deckie meersy send us a pm!!
ALL FISHERMEN ARE LIARS EXCEPT YOU AND ME! AND IM NOT SO SURE ABOUT YOU!
out wide
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cuthbad is
a shore fishing greenie who needs to f*&k off from this site. Please do not listen to him as he is a phoney. He will not be happy until his mob of arseholes have shut it all down. So please green one go to your fu*wit green site and do not offer your views here.
snappermiles
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well thats harsh!
but thats also your opinion! and people on this site really need to stop jumping down each others throats because of how they view things!! what i have said in this post is my view and if its not the same as yours well thats ok but you dont need to abuse people because your view is different!!! were all here for the same reason the love of fishing! so hey lets take on board everyones view and talk about it civil like!
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fishy fingers
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Out wide
has a history of abusing people.....everyone infact!
out wide
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cuthbad is
a shore fishing greenie who needs to f*&k off from this site. Please do not listen to him as he is a phoney. He will not be happy until his mob of arseholes have shut it all down. So please green one go to your fu*wit green site and do not offer your views here.
fishy fingers
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I think your confused!
the only one who needs to f off from this site is you. we dont needs morons like yourself
cuthbad
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theres informed constructive
theres informed constructive debate for ya right there. Giving your side of the argument a lot of credibility with statements like that mate well done
Alan James
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Anyone remember duck shooting in WA
Banned in 1990 and driven by the Greens. Their arguement was on humanitarian grounds and continues to this date in other states to ban the shooting of ducks there. Jmo but the very same arguement will in time be used with respect to fishing.
I have no problems with conservation but do with total exclusion.
snappermiles
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thats right
alan were on the firing line!!! first comes huge marine parks next comes total ban!
ALL FISHERMEN ARE LIARS EXCEPT YOU AND ME! AND IM NOT SO SURE ABOUT YOU!
Reefmonkey
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Are you guys for real? Wat
Are you guys for real? Wat evidence is there that there will ever be a total ban on fishing?
I haven't weighed in on the marine park debate as i don't count myself to be informed well enough to hold up a decent debate.
But how many current marine parks in this state are no take zones? santuarys and no takes are different but atleast marine parks lock out the pro's which can't be a bad thing for rec fishers
Atleast there are people out there passionate about the conservation of our fish stocks and willing enough to have an interest and research the facts and stand up, All yu ever hear on here for the against party is a buch of uninformed armchair fear mongers.
I have to ask if your so passionate about your side of the argument what have you done about it? If your on the firing line will you stand up and fight?.. I doubt it.
Atleast cuthbad is active in pursuing his side of the argument so he can make a decision from an informed position.
Out wide, way out of line hey its a public forum if you can't deal with peoples opinions maybe you shouldn't log in.
Dave J.
meersy
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I agree
with you reefmonkey on the fact that locking out the pros is a good thing. You abvouisly havent seen the proposed area for marine sancturary zones because if you did you would under stand what were on about.Also I personally have been to 3 rectfish west(stopfish west as I like to say)meetings to put forward my argument over the past 12 mths so yes I am one to stand up and fight.Conservation is good for fishing for the future but whats the point if its illigal to fish in the future.You should get along to on of these rectfish meetings one day, you may have a different opinion with what is happening out there.
Faulkner Family
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some people need to lighten
some people need to lighten up a bit. the way i see it is , the stocks of fish have been greatly reduced due to over fishing in the past. i have heard stories of people going out and bringing in 20 odd dhuies on just about every trip, look at where that has got the stocks . yes there are quite a few out there but not in the numbers they used to be.
Same goes for the pinkies. there are heaps out there because the limits have been put in place. The reds up north, seen pics of blokes ankle deep in reds on the boats and for those that have fished up there, how many of you have found them in great numbers .
Fishing is not going out there and catching a load of fish, yeah its nice to get heaps but in reality how many fresh fish can you eat in 1 week or until your next trip out. i am happy to get just a couple of good fish to take home for a couple of feeds.
I cant see any prob with the marine parks and no take zones, there should be more imo but in the right place
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Jim
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Anything and anyone thats
Anything and anyone that stops me from fishing sux!
Fishing will be banned if things keep going the way they're going. Its big business protecting the world and these groups aint gonna stop rallying for their next achievement.
Personally im sick of politically armchair activists trying to be eco friendly.
Bend over
Dirt
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fisheries inspectors to late
Im all for fishing for the future as much as the next bloke and i think its completely fair to be considering the next generation when planning conservation for future fish stocks.Like the faukner family said about people years ago bringing home 20 plus dhuies or standing knee deep in reds,where were the bag limits or fisheries inspectors then.the problem still is even though not to the same scale as 10 yrs ago this still happens today.the bag limits we had 2 yrs ago would of been sufficient in maintaining fish stock levels if they had of been policed properly.there dosnt seem to be enough time betwwen all these new restrictions to even see if any of them are making a difference,one year tighter baglimits,next year tighter bag limits and demersal ban short time after that we are looking at no fishing zones on top of that ,surely they could not of done sufficient studies within this time to warant more restrictions all im asking for is more policing of the current rules and sufficint time to see what affect they have. i can definately understand the frustration of most of my fellow fishers that in a relatively short time we have gone from no rules to more than most can handle,i feel a little ripped of that things werent done earlier then we would not be in this situation now
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Jim
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Woops forgot a word! I
Woops forgot a word! I meant 'politically correct' armchair activists
Cant seem to edit my previous post?
Bend over
abeldog
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As We Get Older
we generally lighten up and move to the middle ground on the views of life and everything around us.
Far Right - I just want to shoot, hunt & fish, I just want to kill everything that moves or doesn't move. Easy to achieve, "Just Do It"
Far Left - 100% Ban on everything that involves shooting, hunting & fishing. Total Ban on killing anything that moves or doesn't move. Easy to achieve "Just Don't Do It"
Politically Correct Middle ground is to find a sense of balance that will not only benefit all but is also sustainable into the future. Hardest to achieve because of Right vrs Left Views.
Fortunately we have a political system in this Great Country of Ours that finds and holds the middle ground.
This is done for the benifit of the majority to the detriment of a few.
Like the fishing yesterday off Jurien bay, Boat limit vrs personal limit, I shared the snapper I caught with people that did't catch any.
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We Can All Dream of Things That Never Were and Ask Why Not!!"( RK )
Alan James
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I'm an old fart and I think middle ground is great
But tell me where was the middle ground with respect to the banning of duck shooting, firstly in WA in 1990, NSW in 1995 and Qld in 2005. Sustainability wasn't considered, it's a ban.
As I have said before I think conservation is a good thing, I am just wary of the Greens chip, chip, chipping away. Remember it's always the sqeaky door that gets the oil.
tangles
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on ya
on ya abledog! you got it in one! when u start fishing you are frothing to kill anything but the older u get the joy is still there but the killing aspect slowly settles down! ive been tuna fishing wetlining and cray fishing for the past 10 years and ive seen the worst of what happens when the ocean is raped dont you worry! but we are all to be held accountable not just the commercial sector! seeing that no commercial wetliners fish fm lano to mandurah you cant point the finger there anymore so dont try! im sure down here you can look in the mirror and you will see who takes the majority of the catch! If anyone has been to the abrohlos and id dare say a few have there are sanctuary zones there where it is a no fish take zone! diving in these places is unbelievable seeing monster dhuis and coral trout in 4meters of water swimming freely with no threat of being killed! it does humble you and makes you think about it when you go for your next fish! I used to love catching big dhuis and growing up w an old man who used to come home from his angling club with 25kg plus dhuis was all exciting and now i have an appreciation for how beautiful these fish are when you dive with them! my personal preference now is to release every dhui i catch unless tapout is on the boat then i have to keep one for him cause he has trouble catching them hehe! but its all about fishing for the future not the freezer guys n gals!! you go out get your couple of fish and then enjoy the rest of the day releasing fish! I used to take a tinny way!!!! north of kalbarri and sit in ridiculous shallow water and catch pinkys all day then when i was ready to come home id keep 2 and go home knowing that if you want more to eat you can always go out the next day wx permitting and get another feed! Marine parks are a good thing as long as they are managed properly and set in places where they will have a positive effect on the fish stocks! when my little girl grows up i want to be able to take her fishing knowing that i will be able to get her into some good fish! Our coastline down here would benefit from these parks and there has to be a medium in place to keep both sides happy! unfortunately i dare say there are people out there that think their right to kill fish is gona be taken away well for those people we have only ourselves to blame! not the govt of the time of anyone else and i know that i am to blame because i know what i was like when i was younger! my iki hand gets itchy if i didnt kill a fish! respect the ocean and her fruits and she will reward you for years to come!
FISH FOR THE FUTURE NOT THE FREEZER!!!!
tangles
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not gona happen
its not gona happen there is too much at stake for them to even consider a total ban! atm the bag limits are enough and working because it makes people not get greedy! the 2 month ban well after the huff and puff from everyone it has been accepted and doing no harm! god there is more than just those certain fish to catch in the ocean you know! i go out w my ol man and we get our bag of whiting and squid and we are happy! m8 living in kalbarri the ban was painfull for us up there but you just adapt and go and catch other types of fish its that simple! you have to remember that if marine parks are put in place and are set in areas that cant be justified how do you think the crayfishing families are going to react to it and the influence that certain families have down here on the ministers decisions do count! If they happen thought will be put into place to make sure that they are done properly and effectively to keep everyone happy!
FISH FOR THE FUTURE NOT THE FREEZER!!!