Mono vs Braid with top shot for shark fishing ?
ay fellas im inexperienced in the sharking game
looking at buying a new tiagra 30lrs or 30svw
i am unsure wether to spool it with braid or mono
as i doo want at least a 1km of minium 50lb
i already have a 30lrs tiagra spooled with 1100 m of 30lb mono
so thats my lighter setup
now one a bit heaver as all mi fishin will be done off jettys and wil hav to be balloooned out about 300m
i may even upgrade to a size 50vsw or 50lrs but i find ther a bit bulkeyer for jetty fishing.
so my question is in shark fishing should i spool the 30vsw / lrs with xample 50lb braid then do a top shot of 50/80lb mono
or stick with jst mono
im abit stuck on this one i no theres no rights or rongs but in my situation wat would be best from you experience and knowledge
thanks boys
lighterthief
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id go 50lb braid, 80lb
from jetty/rocks id go 50lb braid, 80lb leader/topshot and atleast 150lbx2m steel trace with flemish eyes and 2x circle hooks...
imo braid would be better as your goign to get more on the reel and with 300m nylon in the water you will get alot of stretch, which could make it harder to set the hook..
this will not slip. crimp only serves to stop it unravelling. ive lifted 2tonnes using sticky tape instead of ferulles/crimps :P
some bream i caught..http://s620.photobucket.com/home/lightertheif/allalbums
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hlokk
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Surely the flemish eye would
Surely the flemish eye would be strong enough with a proper crimp than going to the effort of splicing an eye? Especially as you're running 50lb in the line, the crimp only needs to hold 50lb, not 150lb. Though, with crimping, you need to have your crimps down pat, as a good crimp and bad crimp can look pretty similar to the untrained eye. At least with flemish eyes theres less pressure on the crimp than a straight eye. Maybe I should do a load test :p
Nelly
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Date Joined: 04/05/08
Just got penn international
Just got penn international 16vsx for mainly shark fishing will be getting as much 65lb as i can on it(by my calcs atleast 750m+) then top shotting atleast 20m of 80lb mono.
cuthbad
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Date Joined: 22/04/09
if you rusing circle hooks
if you rusing circle hooks the stretch wont be as much of an issue. Also, if theres heaps of reef around you could even think about goin 100m + of 50lb mono with 50lb braid backing, then use a leader of like 15m 120lb mono. Benefit of this is abrasion resistance and also when the mono gets worn you can replace it and it only costs you 100m of line rather than replacing all your braid
lighterthief
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Date Joined: 10/11/06
hlokk a flemish eye is a
hlokk a flemish eye is a spliced eye... the tail left over goes inside the crimp... this stops it unravelling.. this the only splice that gives you 100% efficiency and can be used with stainless steel crimps that will not corrode in alkaline evironment unlike aluminium :)
some bream i caught..http://s620.photobucket.com/home/lightertheif/allalbums
MASA - Marine Aquarium Societies Australia http://www.masa.asn.au/masa/index.html
hlokk
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Doesnt have to be spliced.
Doesnt have to be spliced. Can be done with the whole wire too. Either way, this is what I meant: http://www.sportfishing-tackle.com/fishing-khaolak/knots/flemish_eye.html
(though I do one less twist as its neater)
You're right in that the above link wont be 100%, but you dont need 100% if you're running 150lb+ wire and 50lb mainline. You do want your crimped connection to be 50lb+ and reliable though. Just think full spliced eye might be overkill (but up to the angler what they feel comfortable with). I just wouldnt think you'd need to go to all the effort of splicing it if you're mainline is going to be the weakpoint anyways? Plus the above method allows you to use coated wire a lot easier. I'll do a load test up on some wire and see how my crimping goes. Should be interesting. "the numbers dont lie" :p.
As for ali crimps on steel wire, you shouldnt be using them anyways :p. I use copper double barrels (not so easy finding SS crimps in a fishing store - rigging stores are different though). Sure they'll eventually corrode, but then again, its pretty quick and cheap to replace.
young_yakker
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Date Joined: 05/09/09
i think your alright with
i think your alright with what you got 1100 m is alot of line and living in south australia you wouldnt need to balloon out far for the big sharks down there have a look at this site they use torium 30s with braid backing and mono topshot and land absoloute beasts of bronzies www.sealine.co.za they have some awsome ideas
cuthbad
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its amazing the kinda sharks
its amazing the kinda sharks those guys pull on relatively light gear hey, Love that style of fishing!
lighterthief
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Date Joined: 10/11/06
..that is not a true flemish
..that is not a true flemish eye, the picture i showed takes less than a minute to do, its really easy.
A machine swaged ferrule should achieve 95% of the ropes breaking strain.. if it doesnt you havnt done it properly.. the break should be at the ferrule. at another point in the rope then the wire has defects. eye should be atleast 12x dia of the rope to prevent fatigue cracking :)
not always easy to achieve 95%mbf with hand swage tools hence the reason for recommending a flemish eye.. very easy and fail safe
some bream i caught..http://s620.photobucket.com/home/lightertheif/allalbums
MASA - Marine Aquarium Societies Australia http://www.masa.asn.au/masa/index.html
Ryan C
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BRAID VS MONO
hi saltiga ,the days of having to use 50w 80w reels for all applications that need a lot of line capacity are gone why hang on to a 3kg reel when you can use a 30w and still have ample line strength and capacity , go for a 30wlrs tiagra 8/900m of 80lb braid then a 5/6 m wind on of 120/150 mono, then wire (i have a 30wlrs with 80braid then mono wind on and it works fine !) as far as wire goes i always use 3.5/5 metres depending onthe size of sharks targeted but i dont fish off the shore so you will probably have to go shorter with the wire and rely on the heavy mono for abrasion resistanc/tail slap hope this helps