What is your favourite King George Whiting rig and bait

With a lot of members now focussing their efforts on the capture of King George Whiting, I was thinking that some of those new to chasing this tasty species may like to know what are the best rigs and baits to target them with.

All the best, Colin Hay

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best bait for me is half a

Fri, 2009-11-06 13:08

best bait for me is half a mulie, generally the tail end, on snelled 2o's

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That's interesting Bodie

Fri, 2009-11-06 13:47

I caught my biggest KG on a mulie half.
What sort of hooks do you normally snell?

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Paternosta variation

Fri, 2009-11-06 13:13

Colin,

 

I use a slight variation on a paternosta rig. I go down to about 6kg leader and make a normal paternosta but place the sinker on the middle loop so that the main KG hook (I use Gamakatsu Shiner hooks) is trailing right on the bottom where the sinker would normally be. I also have a single longshank Mustard hook above the sinker baited for sand whiting.

Its simple but effective for me.

I also vary this a little by using a jig head on the bottom hook so it always sits right on the bottom and bait this with either fresh occy, squid or the gulp peeler crabs.

 

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I use the same rig andy

Sat, 2009-11-07 04:27

works a treat for KGs, theyre our target species back in South Aus and thats the standard rig we all used.

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I knew you would have a great sounding set-up Andy

Fri, 2009-11-06 13:48

I like the idea of the jig head.
Have you ever had any luck catching them with Berkley crabs or worms?

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Yep crabs seem to be best

Fri, 2009-11-06 14:31

 

 

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Lol I was wondering who that fisherman was?

Fri, 2009-11-06 14:37

It looks like the crabs are definately worth taking along.

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Simple paternosta rig for me

Fri, 2009-11-06 14:03

Simple paternosta rig for me with single hook on the bottom and snelled 3's on the top.  Both laced with skinned occy.  Did the trick on Wednesday.

 

 

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Good on ya Pete

Fri, 2009-11-06 14:26

I bet they tasted nice with a few home brews too.

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Has anyone tried blue baits?

Fri, 2009-11-06 14:27

I would think they would be pretty attractive to a KG.

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get them pretty good on

Fri, 2009-11-06 14:36

get them pretty good on small gangs with strips of squid

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Thanks Kempy

Fri, 2009-11-06 14:38

Those little gangs can be deadly for a range of fish.

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with bodie

Fri, 2009-11-06 15:22

I like to use 2o snelled hoodlums. Basically use the same rig Ryan Thipthorp has had sucess with, and has worked for us as well.  Like your rig Andy Mac..will have to give that a burl as well.  King George love cockels, great bait to use

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Cockles ay

Fri, 2009-11-06 15:26

I think I know where I can get some them. Thanks Wade.

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I've used bluebait

Fri, 2009-11-06 15:34

I've used bluebait successfully in shallower water for the smaller ones. Deep got em on half mulies, squid and occy on similar rigs that have been described. Also done very well in Denmark using mussels.

 

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whiting

Fri, 2009-11-06 15:45

My best rig is a 2 hooks with a heavey lead on the bottom and use freshly caught squid

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It sounds like it is worthwhile taking a variety of baits

Fri, 2009-11-06 15:49

Just in case.

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I use a combo of prawn and

Fri, 2009-11-06 15:55

I use a combo of prawn and squid tentacle on a long shank 2/0 red mustad hook. Have the tentacle hanging off the end of the hook for the whiting to grab before he sucks it all in. I use a simple rig with a long lead and a large loop, about 150mm long tied with a figure 8 knot up near the swivel, I use a pyramid sinker or similar on this and the remainder of the lead about 400mm long down to my hook. It's Cleggies KG rig if you've seen that before in different places.

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I run either.....

Fri, 2009-11-06 16:09

a "drift bait" style set-up with a crimped running ball sinker (enough to hold bottom) just above two snelled 2/0 or 3/0 hooks. Bait is squid or skinned occy.

 

Or a 2 dropper paternoster like Andy with the sinker in the middle but I run my droppers the other way around with the snelled 2/0 or 3/0's on the bottom and either a single hook with bait or a soft plastic threaded on as light a jighead as possible without dropping hook size dramatically. I haven't had much luck with crab soft platics (on either top or bottom dropper), but a 5" paddle tail has accounted for a couple on top dropper - I hypothesis that its sitting up a bit off the seafloor in the current looking like a small baitfish swimming.

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Sounds good Huggy

Fri, 2009-11-06 16:11

I guess you make your choice on the ammount of current running.

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Yes, I have seen that Dale

Fri, 2009-11-06 16:09

I have also seen Cleggy rigs where he uses wide gapped hooks.

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squid or prawns

Fri, 2009-11-06 16:39

really fresh squid works very well and by fresh i mean like i catcha  squid clean it and use it for the day. also shelled prawns always works. have tried blood worms but i seem to get more snad whiting then kgs

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Interesting that the worms work better with the sand whiting

Fri, 2009-11-06 16:41

Thanks mate

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Colin in shallower water

Fri, 2009-11-06 16:59

Colin in shallower water worms are awesome bait.

even out deeper i have cleaned a couple KG's from out there and found big worms they had eaten.

We use worms down at hamelin bay in 1-4m of water for 50+cm KG's and is by far the best bait.

However in deeper water they dont last long!

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KGs

Fri, 2009-11-06 16:49

I have had pretty good luck running a single 2/0 with squid tenacles fished on the bottom.  Tried the crabs Andy with no luck using a paternoster rig.  Will give your rig a try hopefully on Sunday.  

What about Skippy guys.  I've got them on a standard Paternoster rig and on a drrift rig setup Ryan T. showed me for Sanpper but with smaller hooks.

 

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long shank mustad size 12

Fri, 2009-11-06 16:53

and a fresh mussel - fiished on a running sinker rig as you would for bream (ball sinker) - and fish with light mono to keep em hooked

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Can you get the sand worms of the beaches over here Bodie?

Fri, 2009-11-06 18:57

or are they something we need to buy her. Getting a shot at KG's that size Bodie, what a dream... Were you fishing from shore at hamelin or boating it?

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A bay rubber with a square

Fri, 2009-11-06 18:57

A bay rubber with a square squid piece on one of the hooks. Preferably the Bay rubbers with smaller hooks.

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worms

Fri, 2009-11-06 20:08

tube worms are available frozen in bait tackle shops & other places & KG take them.

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worms

Fri, 2009-11-06 21:45

Does it matter what depth are area you are targeting?  For example if fishing the weedlines versus fishing near the reef.

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kg rigs walpole

Fri, 2009-11-06 22:02

heading down tomorrow with Hlokk for 3 days, then hes back to perth, my mates come down and I stay the whole time till sunday 15th.

We do alright on a running ball sinker bream rig, but with a longshank hook with shelled prawns for bream, kgw and flatties in walpole generally in 3-4' or less. But this time I am going to work hard on the soft/hard plastics. I have gulp camo worms, 2" gulp shrimp in pearl white, 4" mullet in  rootbeer, and some gulp squid, atomic shads and jigheads to suit.  Also a little prawn lure in red with glitter, and 2 x doubles.  

I look forward to fishing the inlet and if the weather gods smile over 8 days, get out wide and use the larger squid and shads as droppers.

Also donated yozuri crystal minnow from flangies, and a rapala xrap, halcos twistys and some deep diving bibbed lures.

I have sand whiting heads/frames for either crab bait/bait/burley and squid heads/tentacles x 5 for bait frozen and two bags of burley pellets and  powder and a litre of oil. 

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3x 6-7' 4kg or less bream outfits, a 5'6 boat reel with cruiser reel 30lb mono,  6'6" penn rod with okuma avenger 80 with 30lbs braid, silstar 12'6" powertip with okuma aveger 80.

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New boat

Fri, 2009-11-06 22:07

thought you were getting a new rig mate?  Let me know how you go down there?  Was having lunch with the wife's family and they want me to drag the boat down there.........don't let Matt outfish you!

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same boat borrowed 4wd

Fri, 2009-11-06 22:21

Parents new 2dr patrol with trademate thingo on the back, ex telstra vehicle.  Walpole is pretty special. Will keep a log and post photos!

 I just want to steal his soft plastic secrets !

 

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would

Sat, 2009-11-07 14:58

Would be keen to know at what spot you went out thru the channel if you get out wide at walpole mate. Im heading there again in Jan..hoping to get out thru the mouth

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basic patenosta rig

Fri, 2009-11-06 22:03

basic patenosta rig sometimes when deeper snelled 2/0 in shallower single size 2 hook and use trip of squid , we have had a fair bit of success with single hooks in 30 mtrs . there is some interesting set ups been mentioned

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i use them mustad

Fri, 2009-11-06 22:26

i use them mustad baitcatcher rigs for the smallsih ones.

fresh squid, and dont forget the chook pellets

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best bait fresh squid carnt

Sat, 2009-11-07 09:20

best bait fresh squid carnt beat it

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where to find them?

Tue, 2012-10-23 17:57

Where do you guys start looking for KG?  2m? 50m?  reef or sand?high or low tide? sun rise or during the day?  Would love to catch some!!  With squid is it always a long strio?  all on the hook or plenty hanging off the bottom of the hook?

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patchy ground being

Tue, 2012-10-23 18:41

patchy ground being sand/weed

i catch mine in 5m of water

i use fresh squid, just loop a strip over a long shank hook until its not hanging off to much (more of a blob on hook with barb exposed)

i get them middle of the day

 

my rig (for shallow water) is:

 

 

-------------------------------------------------swivel--------running sinker-----swivel-------------------------------------------hook

 

to easy

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In SA cockles are probably

Wed, 2012-10-24 07:27

In SA cockles are probably the most used bait followed by Squid.  Cockles are bloody expensive now ($15-17 a bag) so I tend to avoid them unless I have nothing else.  I generally pull and use razor fish hearts (muscle) if fishing in a area I can gather some, Whiting love them and they are free. used the shells etc for burley as well.  Have fished/caught them in anything from 1metre of water to 50 metres.  usually in sand patches surrounded by either weed or reef but sometimes over gravel bottoms with corkweed.

Pillchards (and I assume bluebait,whitebait would work), prawns and a few other things have been used. 

Have a few shallow areas in mind to target them on small poppers when I get the chance.

Usually use a standard paternoster with long shank hooks sometimes have one hook below the sinker unless fishing reef.  When fishing alone I normally throw another line out with small circle hooks and get a few hooking themselves whilst fishing with the other rod.

Andy I might head out and grab a bag of those gulp crabs.

 

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compleat angler in nedlands

Wed, 2012-10-24 21:12

compleat angler in nedlands is the only place NoR that i have found stock the gulp peeler crabs, sorry to any forum sponsors that stock them.... please let me know if you do, because nedlands is a bit pricey!....

 

I bought them primarily for baldies, never considered KGW but will be giving them a go this weekend.

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Drop again

Fri, 2012-10-26 23:49

 Smithy and I got onto to some a couple of weeks ago, I remembered Ryan's programme about dropping back down after first hook up, it worked a treat with double hook ups every time.

I used the same theory on sand whiting last weekend and cleaned up, seems to work well. I think the are that inquisitive that once one is hooked they all shoot over to have a look !!!

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