Will Shimano bring back the TLD5?
Submitted by saltatrix on Mon, 2009-08-10 23:10
With the advent of braid this small lever drag has so many applications. Its so light, reasonably priced and its a lever drag. Theres such a market opening for this reel.
Do you think Shimano will ever bring the TLD5 back on the market?
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saltatrix
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What other reels are there
What other reels are there that come close to the weight and size of the TLD5 ?
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hlokk
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Theres a few options around
Theres a few options around the 400g mark. How heavy were the TLD-5's?
till
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Braid is probably why it was
Braid is probably why it was discontinued more than anything else. Braid would allow you to totally punish a small reel. There are plenty of small overheads out there now; avet sx/mx, accurate 820s, daiwa saltist ld 20/30 and some new shimmy, I do forget the model number.
saltatrix
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Its a graphite body with
Its a graphite body with pretty much the same components as the 10 and I think the 15. The 20/25 has a bigger drum body.
Because the braid doesn't stretch theres less compression on the spool like there is with mono.
All the aluminium body products are heavier. Theyre an excellent product but heavier. Theyre also twice to 4 times the price plus.
Its the weight though that would be good to get down. Being graphite theres less corrosion combined with less weight.
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Dunno but I have one
My brother is a mad keen ebay searcher and purchaser. Unbeknown to me he chased around ebay prior to holidaying in the West and secured a complete set of TLD's as a present for me including the TLD5 which is near new. A real collectors piece and one thaqt I treasure.
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Tyrnos 8 and 10, but they
Tyrnos 8 and 10, but they would be heavier.
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I have the TLD15 and TLD20.
I have the TLD15 and TLD20. I have a Sabre 10 kilo rod that would suit the TLD5 but may have to go an AVET because I strictly want a lever drag for Bay Rubber jigging with say 10-15kg kilo braid.
I have a Saltiga surf and a couple of others that come close but this rod would suit the TLD5 for the sort of thing I want to do.
Cheers for the help.
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Any reason it has to be
Any reason it has to be lever drag? Makes sense if you're trolling a lot with it, but for bay rubber jigging you could get away with a lot lighter reel if you went baitcaster setup. With most having around the 5-7kg drag, you can play around with it all you want and still not exceed the safe working range if you're running 10-15kg braid.
The avets, the new daiwa saltist lever drags are both around 400g. Even though they're aluminium, I wouldnt be entirely surprised if they were lighter than the TLD5, but then I have no idea how light the TLD5 is. Aluminium isnt a lot heavier than graphite, its just that its often used more liberally, but the point is to make up the required strength and rigidity. The charter special has graphite, is cheap and is lever drag. Its around 485g, but then not know what the TLD5 weight is, I dont know if its close to what you want ;)
I think what Till was getting at before wasnt the compression on the spool, but that if there was a light lever drag reel, people would be loading them up with high breaking strain braids on reels which had the spool capacity (and perhaps design strength) for a lot lighter monos. A reel that might have been designed for 300m of 8lb line now fits 300m of 30lb braid for example. So even if the reel can hold enough braid, if it was designed for a lot lighter line, it may not deal with the increased line strength though. The newer small reels are designed for the braid you'd want to run though. I dont know what the TLD5 was designed for though, it might be strong enough, but having never heard of one, I have no idea.
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TLD5 weighs
Spot on 475 grammes without any braid or line. It is built like a proverbial brick outhouse so it could easily handle braid, trouble is they are as scarce as hens teeth on the second hand market.
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theres one on ebay atm if
theres one on ebay atm if you look, but yes very few and far between on there and some go for alooottttttttt of money for sure
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Yep, as Mako says for the
Yep, as Mako says for the money you'd pay for a TLD 5 in good condition and the pain of tracking one down you'd be better off going for one of the others, ie Avet, Tyrnos, Saltists or even a Penn inter 975 LD/CSLD. The Tyrnos 8 is only 55g heavier which is stuff all when jigging.
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No
No but the new talicas look alright
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'talica rules man! \m/
'talica rules man! \m/
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Dont know why they picked the name, but I guess it is metal
Think the reels are going something like $500US though.
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Ahh thats afore mentioned
Ahh thats afore mentioned shimmy, nasty pricetag though.
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Looks great!
Is the Talica a new shimano? Been released yet? And yeah for $500US - that's way too much cabbage for me to shell out....
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Not released yet Matt
But they are taking pre-orders for them in the States.
They look good, but they're up there on the price scale thats for sure - but they do look to be pretty solidly built and they are all 2 speed. I reckon it'll settle somewhere between a trinidad and a torsa on the pricing scale in that "$700" bracket when it hits Australia. But thats just my guess.
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if they come out here
i will have one to take to exxy for shaw
its only $$$$ you cant take it with you.
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I ordered some new Exy toys today
The new Saltist 30 2 speed, a Morthan Branzino and a eupro lightish (pe3) o/h jigging rod.
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oh u getting your saltist
oh u getting your saltist before me, oh well i might have a third reel of you know what on its way
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*shakes head*
you wont have enough time before the comp to build all the rods for these reels at the rate you are buying them.
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true worse thing getting a
true worse thing getting a new reel is needing a new rod, oh well you get that, might treat myself to a 37kg outfit, just to have one lol
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Penn International 130VSX
you'll only need a kilometre of 130lb mono to fill it.
4.5kg of fish wrenching goodness.
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dont worry mate im so
dont worry mate im so tempted, just to have one
, u might be suprised
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Heavy braid on light reels
in my experience will flog the guts out of the reel. Speaking of charter specials and 50lb braid. Forever servicing them and replacing parts trying to get rid of an annoying grinding noise. Short of replacing parts regularly I dont think they will bring em back. Are parts even still available for them??
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saltatrix
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Any reason it has to be
Any reason it has to be lever drag?
I was thinking PE2-3. The lever drag bit was because I can ramp it up to exactly where I can see it. The levers traditionally had bigger disc area rather than a disc stack.
Itll be up there if the fish goes line class so I dont want to be tweaking a star drag when its around the limit of the braid. Its a reasonably priced reel in the past that fits the rod real well. I have enough of them so I dont want to blasting out another $500 reel that may only beused evrey now and then.
Maybe Ill mod the TLD15 already owned but it is wider than I want.
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these talicas, Saltigas etc
these talicas, Saltigas etc are designed for the use of heavy braid but the "duty" comes at a price
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these talicas, Saltigas etc
these talicas, Saltigas etc are designed for the use of heavy braid but the "duty" comes at a price
The TLD5 would handle PE2 maybe 3 ok if the drag was set right. Locking it up with the pliers wouldnt be pretty. I just dont have the money for all the top gear for all the situations. I want to try the rod because I think it may have excellent attributes for bay rubber work. Ill try the other reels then purchase soemthing based on the rods success.
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Going to wait for the new
Going to wait for the new Saltist lever drag now. Looks awesome. Light too.
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Yeah I mentioned them
Yeah I mentioned them because I'm thinking I'd replace my saltist 30TH with one, but I'll stick to my avet sx mc for 30lb gear.
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Why wait?
You can get the saltists now. They are deceptively small though - I reckon the 30LD 2 speed is about the equivilent size to a Luna 253? This is between my Penn Generation v75 (left) and my Luna 300 (right). Sorry for the grainy shot, mobile phone pic cos I cant find my camera.
20 - 30lb reels tops IMO. Quite light for a full metal LD as well.
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Spool capacity should be
Spool capacity should be more on the saltistLD even if the outer dimensions are somewhat comparable though? 14/450 for the saltist v 14/320 for the luna 300
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Um
you sure you aren't comparing braid and mono?
There is no way the Saltist would have that much more capacity, simply impossible.
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Mono v mono. Going by the
Mono v mono. Going by the Daiwa website, luna and saltist. The saltist specs say about 40% more capacity. The reel sizes look quite similar, but in your pic, it looks like the saltist has a wider spool. Perhaps its a bit deeper as well (luna's spools dont take up the full diameter frame unlike the saltist). The reels do look pretty similarly sized, so I think its more spool per reel on the saltist compared to the luna perhaps.
Any chance you could measure up the spools?
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by eye
the spool is a poofteenth wider on the saltist, but as for depth - unless I unspool the Luna it is tough to measure!
I'll just have to go by what Sam said. Might up it to 40lb now based on what he said.
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nice knobs
nice knobs
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Big Cap
Yes the LD30 does have a big line capacity!
Spooled one last weekend and got 30m 15kg mono backing, and 300m #PE4 Daiwa Silicone!
Quite capable of running PE4..
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Surprised!
As Sam stated above, its has a deceptively large spool capacity!
I got about 50m of mono backing and 300m of PE4 daiwa silicone on mine as well. I must say I was quite surprised (pleasantly).
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Anyone else spooled up one
Anyone else spooled up one of those saltist lever drag 20 two-speeds? Would be nice with deep one or powerhunter 50lb/PE4 or something nutty like the jigman ultra pe4/62lb or varivas big one max pe3/48lb.