AFL trade talk - 2016 thread
Submitted by randall df223 on Tue, 2016-08-30 11:28
Thought i would commence a thread to cover the AFL trade and draft periods as it seems the clean outs are already starting.
Two plus a retirement from Carlton and Cloke has requested a trade.
Freo obviously lose the Pav, but i expect (and hope) there will be many more! I'll call 15 changes to Freo's senior and rookie list.
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You mean if he's getting it
You mean if he's getting it 40+ times the opposition might get it back a couple of times don't you ? This guy is the best in the comp for effective disposals so not sure where you are coming from. What I like about him is his number one rating in total contested possessions.
Freo can thank their lucky stars that he is prepared to get in and get the hard ball cause no one else will...
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I cant believe the stat that
I cant believe the stat that he is no 1 for effective disposals. Perhaps only because he gets it more than anyone else. But i would rather he get it 21 times and give it the opposition once, than get it 40 times and give it to them 20 times.
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Both Dogs and Peel through, some good WAFL games coming up. Need to wait it a bit more before Freo start dropping people out.
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Morabito has pulled the
Morabito has pulled the pin (not offered a new contract)
Ballantyne
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You really gotta feel sorry
You really gotta feel sorry for Mora. Can I feel sorry for the player yet enjoy mirth at the expense of the club at the one time?
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didnt he have another bad
didnt he have another bad injury on weekend?
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Yep. Did his quad in the
Yep. Did his quad in the first quarter. Probably found out it was season over for him so the club has announced it. They were on tecord as saying no more list annoucements until after peel's season was finished.
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Yeah the poor kids can't buy
Yeah the poor kids can't buy a trick and ripping young kid by all accounts. Hope that Freo are working to provide him a career pathway with the club should he chose to stay around footy.
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He would make a great mentor
He would make a great mentor for any young kids that suffer serious injury. He has been at the club 7 years and really only played his first season. Taken #4 the same year that freo got fyfe at #20. Thats how highly rated he was. And his first year proved it. Such a quick and skilful player.
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Could’ve and most probably
Could’ve and most probably should’ve been given the nod to play against the bullies in the last the writing was already on the wall . Wish him well
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Didnt factor in hurley. See
Didnt factor in hurley. See brad hill is having a medical with freo while he is in town.
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Mitch Brown's Mrs has signed
Mitch Brown's Mrs has signed on with a Melbourne team so I guess he is going east?
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Is this the one who is easy
Is this the one who is easy to look at?
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maybe he will sign up for the
maybe he will sign up for the same team as his misses
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If there's ever been a case
If there's ever been a case of 'looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane' it's Mitch Clown
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Haha, that's bloody goo! Very
Haha, that's bloody good! Very apt too!
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Been reading whispers that
Been reading whispers that West Coast are chasing Jesse Hogan. West Coast would do well to seriously consider shipping off Masten to Gold Coast and trading our first round pick for a higher one and then packaging this with Darling for Hogan.
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Isn't hogan staying
??
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He still hasn't put pen to
He still hasn't put pen to paper on the contract extension and West Coast are now public with the fact they have been in talks with his Manager. Darling may well be the carrot that could get it done this year if Melbourne know they won't hold the cards next year when his current contract is up.
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Uncle I imagine you’d be
Uncle I imagine you’d be over the moon if you pick up Mayne .. I heard rumours he may go your way
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Ha ha he'd be better
Then ivan marich.never been my fav.player though
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You want Chris Masten unc?
You want Chris Masten unc?
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The biter
No you can keep him
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Good point, he obviously has
Good point, he obviously has teeth so he wouldn't fit in at the Pies
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think the netballers have teeth
Still bitings an e girls thing right
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If you stick your hand in
If you stick your hand in Chris Lewis' mouth then don't cry when he takes a nibble.
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think the netballers have teeth
Still bitings an e girls thing right
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Maric has his 50th birthday over the off season uncle
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Brad Hill to Freo almost a done thing...
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/afl/a/32776028/hill-to-dockers-is-almost-done/#page1
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Is he that good?
Why are the hawks letting him go
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I think they are letting him go to free up some space and dollars to get Tom Mitchell to Hawthorn
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Looks like the unnthinkable might happen with Ballantyne
Hopefully the Eagles will come to their senses and pass on this deal
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They take that little flogger
They take that little flogger and they deserve what they get. Need more speed not a has been.
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Nah no chance Gadsy..he's
Nah no chance Gadsy..he's yours. Haha
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No way OW
Send the little fecker back to the WAFL where he belongs
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I will be happy if the most
I will be happy if the most we give up for brad hill is a second round pick. Fair deal i reckon. Good to see hawthorn arent being pig headed like GWS were last year.
Mccarthy to Freo, mckenzie to GWS, ballantyne to the eagles i think is a good swap. Mckenzie will get another flag before ballaz get his!
And i cant wait for the entertainment that will be the eagles fans bagging their own player (ballaz that is!)
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so what now,R1
just sign them on a 1 year contract?? that sook macartey if you don't want to go don't sign!
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GWS are just a mob of pig
GWS are just a mob of pig headed arrogant fucks IMO. Theyre like the youth of today "entitled". AFL has given them everything on a silver platter and they have talented kids in bucketloads. Its unlikely mccarthy would have got a game this year, but no, GWS chose to keep a kid out of the game. In any other industry if one of your employees doesnt want to work for you, you release them.
I hope GWS lose mccarthy and lobb this year. And get raped and pillaged by every other club in the league.
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That was my thought too
That was my thought too Uncle.
Kind of a hard one as clubs have every right to retain players who have signed a contract with them. In some private industries, part of your contract is that you cannot work for a competing company for 2 years after you terminate your contract earlyl.
I personally am a bit sick of the players thinking they are running the show and trying to manipulate the rules. Clubs like Hawthorn can entice contracted players to demand a trade and nominate their club of choice by offering them third party deals. Think Juddy with his 'Visy Environmental Ambassador' role.
Good on Hawthorn for working within the rules but clubs like Melbourne and North Melbourne simply cannot match them.
Freo and West Coast need to take the Hawthorn approach and start being ruthless with getting key talent back to WA.
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How often do those type of
How often do those type of contracts stick though? Lots have a non compete clause but the reality is that it is hard to find someone guilty of trying to feed their family.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
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I may be remembering it wrong
I may be remembering it wrong but pretty sure my mate who worked in banking in London had a whole raft of bonuses and entitlements worth about $20-30k withheld until the end of his contract when he moved back to Oz.
You're probablyprobably right though, if someone wanted him bad enough they would stump up that money on sign up but you'd soon make a bad name for yourself if you kept burning bridges with an industry
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So does maccartny feel he's
Entitled!!
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So does maccartny feel he's
Entitled!!
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No GWS feel their
No GWS feel their "entitled". Why? Because they are an afl created monster with no heart and sole who have had everything handed to them. Unlike clubs who have been around over one hundred years and worked hard for everything they have achieved. Like collungwood, carlton, THE WESTERN BULLDOGS....
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Looks like someone's still
Looks like someone's still grumpy coz their club gave away Mcleod, Lucas, Lloyd, Bell and Farmer in their establishment period as well as the whole Croad, Headland and Tarrent debacles
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Take tarrant out of that
Take tarrant out of that please. Freo turned him into one of the better key defenders playing at the time. I will give you the rest. Yep freo made a lot of mistakes. But absolutely no club has received the draft compensation picks or access to academy players that GWS Has. Just think for a moment how conflicted the AFL is between their league equalisation policy and their establishment of GWS... they have done everything they can to equalise the league, and then everything they can to ensure a team is successful in the shortest timeframe.
I think you may have even said before jack, the when the compensation wears off, the afl will be left with a club with no supporter base, no heart, no sole, and no talent.
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Agree 100% mate, doesn't mean
Agree 100% mate, doesn't mean I won't take any opportunityopportunity to have a crack at Freo
. Will be the same as $ubiaco Lions when their Subiaco Oval deal finishes. I've always said that Tasmania should have got an AFL before GWS or Gold Coast.
It gives me great joy seeing the way that Gold Coast have completely fucked it it with similar concessions.
The academy along with having access to father son picks is the biggest load of shit ever but at least the ledgar will be squared soon somewhat with Eagles and Dockers having access to remote zones within WA. It's then up to us to develop those zones.
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That's Lobbe and Hogan off the
That's Lobbe and Hogan off the table for another 3 years each which now takes Darling off the table. I've heard that Shae Bolton has signed with a Melbourne team so that means we keep Emac who lets not forget was out club champion in 2014 and very stiff to misss out on AA.
Swallow is still getable but you'd think that if Wells goes to the Pies then North have the money and personel (his big brother) to get him there. The only other option worth looking at is pinching McCarthy from under Freo's nose and moving Darling into a midfield role.
Aside from that, I think West Coast now need to find an AFL delisted or experienced VFL/WAFL/SANFL ruckman to fill a hole for the year and head to the draft to the draft to bolster out midfield. Target one is a big bodied mid who can win the contested football and I wouldn't be terribly upset if we had to trade Masten to Gold Coast to facilitate this. As much as I'd hate to admit it, if we can get Ballantyne for nothing it would be worth a risk as we simply do not have a genuine crumber to suit our 'game plan' when we are under pressure which seems to involve bombing it in long to our forwards who aren't particularly strong overhead.
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Could Freo have afforded a
Could Freo have afforded a Hogan or Lobb , I suppose if there’s a will there’s a way though Fyfe and Neale signatures must be worth a bit ..
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Or Headland
Or Headland
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They are saying freo will
They are saying freo will get a pixk in the 20's (most likely pick 22) as compensation for mayne. That pick will be used as a direct swap for hill and hawthorn will use it to get mitchell or omeara.
Last i heard the concept for mccarthy is for him to come to freo, ballas goes to west coast and mackenzie to gws. Sticking point is tge eagles want more for mckenzie (a player not in their best 22, and currently whats on the table is an all Australian small forward who can add something to their midfield. Beggers cant be choosers. Perhaps throw clarke in as a sweetner).
It was pointed out to me that mccarthy and apeness were taken very close together in the same draft. Gws took mccarthy and apeness was the next key position player taken by freo about 8 picks later. That means freo will have some young tall talent in the firward line to work with.
Hogan and lobb? Well both wa teams have missed out. Not sure why the media focus is all about freo missing out. Sounded to me like west coast were definitely eyeing off hogan and if they werent looking for lobb as another ruck option, well I'll dont know what theyre doing)
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Sticking point is tge eagles
Sticking point is tge eagles want more for mckenzie (a big mature player coming back from an ACL that couldn't find confidence in his body and had to be sidelined as Eagles made the push into September due to emergence of Barass).
Who's begging here? Mitch Clown's Mrs has signed with the Magpies netball team and his brother plays for Collingwood so you'd think he's goneski (thank fuck). Not a chance on earth we are going to be giving up our 2014 club champion for a crumber who's done nothing in the past two years and a ruckman that's had 1 okish season and can't get a game in a side without Sandi playing. If we even wanted Clarke or Ballantyne, we'd get either for a late 2nd or 3rd round pick. A fit and confident Emac will against shut down the best key forwards and allow McLovin to swing forward and cover the deficiency we have in the forward line which is the ability to mark the high ball coming in (such is our midfield's want when things aren't going well) or give Shep more freedom to run through the middle.
Was really hoping we could lure Lobbe to West Coast or involve Darling in a trade to get Hogan but I reckon we keep an eye on any offers with a view to heading to the draft now.
Might have to see if the AFL will let Darling wear dark shorts for every game to hide the stains after he shits himself.
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De boer delisted
De boer delisted
And clancee pearce
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You beauty, welcome back to
You beauty, welcome back to Basso Clancee
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Gonesky
Gonesky
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How's Dawson snuck under the
How's Dawson snuck under the radar .. he might be a good fit for the weagles
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If Spud Dawson doesn't have
If Spud Dawson doesn't have some major dirt on Ro$$ or some very compromising photos.......
Maybe Masten and Dawson can room together... in Tony Galati's shed
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Hogan and lobbe
Resign, happy where they are
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Can't be too happy if
Can't be too happy if they're both resigned
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I am surprised no
I am surprised no announcement on barlow. He and suban must be on the trade table i reckon.
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Yep, I was thinking the same Randall.
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I reckon they owe it to
I reckon they owe it to Barlow to facilitate a trade for a late pick to find him a new home. Eagles have done it before to help players stay in the system.
Only table Suban would make it to would be Masten's dinner table
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I hope barlow gets to play
I hope barlow gets to play on with either fremantle (i still think he is in our best 25 players, but that may mean he becomes a fringe player) or if thats not what he wants i hope he gets to a club where he can play regularly. He is a wet weather specialist so anywhere in vic will suit (other than etihad)
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I dont think masten was
I dont think masten was overly keen on the suban after taste last time
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Took him a couple of weeks
Took him a couple of weeks to get rid of it
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All the squeeling must have
All the squeeling must have turned him off. West Coast players are quite fussy about the Freo players, a bit like Selwood's critique of Headland's tough stickers
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Where as the carr brothers
Where as the carr brothers could not give a fuck about west coast, benny boy and daniel kerr were just fair game. Always!
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What else is a talentless
What else is a talentless hack to do. Guess Benny and Kerry got the last laugh... well kinda... well not really actually haha
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Kerstan to have a medical
Kerstan to have a medical with Freo
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If you believe this West
If you believe this West Coast were never in the race...
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/afl/a/32806436/why-jesse-hogan-snubbed-fremantle-and-re-signed-with-demons/#page1
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Wants to head home but also
Wants to head home but also wants to pick his club. The age of entitlement is alive and well.
Even if Hogan only had eyes on Freo it would have been negligent for West Coast to not have a crack. Afterall, it's Melbourne who decides what they'll take as a trade and not Jesse Hogan and if he was 100% on heading home it'd be up to the clubs to work it all out and Melbourne would get the final say... this year.
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But not if they charge free
But not if they charge free agency in the next year or two. If that happens it could all come down to money.
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Free agency doesn't help a
Free agency doesn't help a player that's under contract for another year. Once a player is eligible for free agency and/or out of contract then it comes down to money
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If free agency rukes are
If free agency rukes are changed to what has been proposed then hogan will be a restricted free agent at the end of his new contract.
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Yeah we'll take Kersten and
Yeah we'll take Kersten and while we are out shopping this young gun looks the goods ..
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It seems if you are a key
It seems if you are a key forward and have been or are on the market, you have been or are on your way to fremantle. Lobb, hogan, Mccarthy, kerstan, and now black!
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Geez. It's like a Sat night
Geez. It's like a Sat night out in Joondalup and Freo is the guy that has been shut down all night long and it's getting to closing time so he is now trying to get any old slurry home
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Aaron Black would be too much in same vain as Jack Anthony, and he wasn't worth the paper his contract was drawn up on.
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