Always used 3 way swivels, but the advantage to dropper loops is you don't get the line twist like you do with 3 ways. Generally my 3 way leaders are a lot longer than my dropper loops and when theres a strong current the 3 ways cause the leader to wrap up/down the line causing tangles. Really depends on the conditions as to which I use.
Much faster to tie, bait sits better as the twist develops a bit more rigidity in the line making the bait sit proud of the main paternoster allowing attractors to be threaded on easily, and it certainly catches fish.
Only place I have a three way swivel is on the bottom of the rig if I want to use a trailing bait as per my "by-catch" rig explained in this months FWA article.
Shows how little I know about tackle, as Tim politely pointed out to me on Sunday that I was using them upside down.
They still did the trick but I must start reading the backs of these packets to work out how to use them properly before any more embarassing situations occur.
I like Jinkai for a wind on leader and also for rigging up north where I use much smaller hooks, but in metro waters I use Penn 10x as for me it has the right combination of stiffness and knotability to creat the best paternosters. I use either 100lb or 120lb usually. Not tried the schneider line, but willing to give it a crack if you think it is a better material.
Geez Tim, you breakin 120lb Jinkai...that's what i use and no probs.....you tangling with bigger fish eh I must admit the Schneider is a good stiff cheap line, quite popular but i prefer a more supple trace but in saying that the new Jinkai Plus is better/slightly harder than the standard so i'm moving over to that now!
Not sure as I wasnt down 90m too see what was on my line but it was when dropping on Schooling Dhuies. Could have been a bigun or double header.
I just prefer 3 ways now anyway as its easy to replace droppers if they get too frayed or bitten off. Also dont have to worry about not being able to feed line through a small hook eye either.
Yeh same ie in 60metres of water..... on top of dhufish and the bucking head shakes of the double was an easy give away for me...sambo or dhu......these we're dhus and lost the bigger one which is normal
I have no issue Ody in getting 120lb Jinkai through my 6/0 hooks, just need to pinch it a bit. Yeh i've tied the loop before and cut but found that did nothing and prefered the reliability of 2 strands especially with the Dhu's raspy teeth!
Same as Ryan, cut droppers with single strand don't hold up as much as the doubles imo.
Try the twisted droppers Ody, they stand out further so less tangles.
Jinkai is better at going through the smaller hook eyes than 10x, but it is less stiff so the twisted droppers droop rather than stand out at right angles.
Used dropper loops for a good part of my fishing career lost toooo many fish three ways are the way to go if your using dropper loops you obviously dont mind losing fish your losing 50% through your dropper loops
Maybe the need for stronger linkages is reduced by using a softer hand approach, which is I think the reason I land more than I lose these days. I used to be a gung ho yank em in as fast as I could angler but learnt over the years that a softer approach wins more battles. This tactic also reduces the stress on your rig and allows you to fish lighter. I run 20lb on several outfits and 30lb on the workhorse.
Besides I hate tying knots so tying 6 knots per rig (assuming a figure of eight knot at the top and bottom otherwise 8 knots), versus no knots with the twisted droppers , its a no brainer for me.
I might have to resort to some heavier rigs myself with three way swivels and tied droppers if I am ever going to get one of those monsters up off the bottom at the "dropzone". So far everything I and everyone else on the boat throws at them gets pinged pretty quickly.
I have a sneaky suspicion there might be a big 30kg plus Blue Groper down there with a ship load of piercings (hooks) in its gob.
That's my tackle testing graveyard! I'll give the three ways a go and if I land him/her then I owe you a couple of beers mate.
Actually we are going to dive it and film the area one day soon, so if there is one of those suckers down there .....woo hoo, I'll be dusting off "big bertha" (heavy rod & reel combo) and having a serious crack at it!
Made up a few rigs yesterday and It took me about 30 mins to do a full rig with 3 dropper loops, so went back to the 3 way swivels, anyone know of an easy dropper loop as the one I was doing in a book had twists and turns everywhere.
My way of doing 3 dropper loops is very quick, approx 3 minutes to make the rig then add all the stuff on (approx 5 min). I dont do the twisted dropper as i found it made no difference for me and the water pressure drags out the droppers so it stand proud/out.
Happy to show ya mate, just need to catch up. That new reel is here also so maybe a good time to do both?!?
just had a quick read through this thread, only really do a bit of bottom bashing in the winter months, i prefer the dropper loop. I got a couple of good easy knots out of the good ol trusty geoff wilson handbook a few years back. They have never let me down and are very quick and easy to tie. Also IMO just one piece of terminal tackle less i dont need to buy (three way swivels)
Ryan, Trying to find the time is the problem, i'll be down in a couple of weeks hopefully got exams and stuff to do at the moment. If you are ever up my way (joondalup) I can catch up with ya somewhere or you could pop over if you had time? Sent you a PM regarding reels.
Yeah I had no clue what i was doing with that knot, had screwdrivers and crap trying to hold it in place as the diagram showed, very confusing. Seen one guy knock a rig out in about 1 min on west coast angling club boat, very fast.
i use something called a tagless dropper also got out of a handbook bout a century ago ha ha . its quick and really effective cant bring myself to trust the 3 way swivels
I was gonna say one minute flat out but gave myself some le-way
When i worked on a charter boat i got very quick making hundreds of dropper rigs so yeh. I'm gonna be up your way soon before i go to Rotto/on the way to 2rocks etc. We'll catch up then.....easy as mate!
Sam at this stage looking at saltist 30th or another one which ryan has just got in from people at Lemax, i believe. Had a look at those alutecnos, too expensive on a kmart salary!
Tyanks ryan, just call me earlier and let me know times etc, and i'll make sure im in.
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none for me
For me i've found no differences..........i use dropper loops, quick, easy and less weak spots!
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Ive always found 3 ways to
Ive always found 3 ways to work heaps better, and also keeps ur mulie intact better when casting.
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Always used 3 way swivels, but the advantage to dropper loops is you don't get the line twist like you do with 3 ways. Generally my 3 way leaders are a lot longer than my dropper loops and when theres a strong current the 3 ways cause the leader to wrap up/down the line causing tangles. Really depends on the conditions as to which I use.
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Twisted Dropper Loops for me
Only place I have a three way swivel is on the bottom of the rig if I want to use a trailing bait as per my "by-catch" rig explained in this months FWA article.
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Shogun 3 way swivels
They still did the trick but I must start reading the backs of these packets to work out how to use them properly before any more embarassing situations occur.
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Hahahah andy dont worry mate
Hahahah andy dont worry mate i had to read the back just to see which way they went too! Couldnt figure it out. :)
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Bugger
Bugger, Bugger, Bugger - Inferred the Skipper was doing something wrong. More Deckie Points Gone. Was just trying to be a helpfull deckie Andy.
They go with the second swivel on top of the barrel of the main swivel. Hope that makes sence to you.
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3 Ways for Me .
3 Ways for Me
. Went to 3 ways the first time I lost a good fish when a dropper loop broke.
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go heavy!
Go heavier mono Tim, that's what i do........problem solvered
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120lb
120lb jinkai so that should have been heavy enough. Schneiders better anyway.
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Penn 10x
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geez!
Geez Tim, you breakin 120lb Jinkai...that's what i use and no probs.....you tangling with bigger fish eh
I must admit the Schneider is a good stiff cheap line, quite popular but i prefer a more supple trace but in saying that the new Jinkai Plus is better/slightly harder than the standard so i'm moving over to that now!
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Twist
Ive used em on 200lb leader. They are OK but found they twist more than the 3 Ways in deep water.
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scissor snap!
Yo Tim,
Was your fish scissoring ie double header of two descent fish then the 120lb Jinkai snapping at the loop knot?
I'd had that problem with my 80 and 100 lb Jinkai about ten years ago now....... the 120lb has eliminated that!
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Could Be
Not sure as I wasnt down 90m too see what was on my line but it was when dropping on Schooling Dhuies. Could have been a bigun or double header.
I just prefer 3 ways now anyway as its easy to replace droppers if they get too frayed or bitten off. Also dont have to worry about not being able to feed line through a small hook eye either.
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yeh
Yeh same ie in 60metres of water..... on top of dhufish and the bucking head shakes of the double was an easy give away for me...sambo or dhu......these we're dhus and lost the bigger one which is normal
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Hi Ya, Do any of you guys
Hi Ya,
Do any of you guys cut the loop to a single once the dropper is tied? If so, what effect has it had other than to make it easier to put the hooks on?
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have done yes!
I have no issue Ody in getting 120lb Jinkai through my 6/0 hooks, just need to pinch it a bit. Yeh i've tied the loop before and cut but found that did nothing and prefered the reliability of 2 strands especially with the Dhu's raspy teeth!
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Tried it too
Try the twisted droppers Ody, they stand out further so less tangles.
Jinkai is better at going through the smaller hook eyes than 10x, but it is less stiff so the twisted droppers droop rather than stand out at right angles.
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Three way by far
Used dropper loops for a good part of my fishing career lost toooo many fish three ways are the way to go if your using dropper loops you obviously dont mind losing fish your losing 50% through your dropper loops
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50% diji?
But the 80% is irrespective of dropper loops, three ways, or anything else you want to throw at them. Some nasty fish on that lump.
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agree!
Agree Andy, i haven't lost a fish on my 3 by dropper loops for many years now, more swivels more weaks spots as my old skipper used to say!
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Do the test or start catching bigger fish
Test a dropper and three way with propper weight and you'll change
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test!
Catching plenty of big fish and my knots holding is my test
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Sorry Diji
Maybe the need for stronger linkages is reduced by using a softer hand approach, which is I think the reason I land more than I lose these days. I used to be a gung ho yank em in as fast as I could angler but learnt over the years that a softer approach wins more battles. This tactic also reduces the stress on your rig and allows you to fish lighter. I run 20lb on several outfits and 30lb on the workhorse.
Besides I hate tying knots so tying 6 knots per rig (assuming a figure of eight knot at the top and bottom otherwise 8 knots), versus no knots with the twisted droppers , its a no brainer for me.
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Yeah fair enough Andy
I use the medium approach, as have lost a lot of fish due to the country i fish get them off the bottom and then go easy. all to there own???
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True diji
I have a sneaky suspicion there might be a big 30kg plus Blue Groper down there with a ship load of piercings (hooks) in its gob.
That's my tackle testing graveyard! I'll give the three ways a go and if I land him/her then I owe you a couple of beers mate.
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good chance!
One of my friends has been spearing some very big blue groper just out from Tworocks Andy, big suckers too so yeh good chance!
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Maybe you need to take me
And my 180lb to the dropzone and we'll get wiskers out of there
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You'll need a big metal rod as well
Actually we are going to dive it and film the area one day soon, so if there is one of those suckers down there .....woo hoo, I'll be dusting off "big bertha" (heavy rod & reel combo) and having a serious crack at it!
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Made up a few rigs
Made up a few rigs yesterday and It took me about 30 mins to do a full rig with 3 dropper loops, so went back to the 3 way swivels, anyone know of an easy dropper loop as the one I was doing in a book had twists and turns everywhere.
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quick!
My way of doing 3 dropper loops is very quick, approx 3 minutes to make the rig then add all the stuff on (approx 5 min). I dont do the twisted dropper as i found it made no difference for me and the water pressure drags out the droppers so it stand proud/out.
Happy to show ya mate, just need to catch up. That new reel is here also so maybe a good time to do both?!?
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just had a quick read
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tagless dropper
i use something called a tagless dropper also got out of a handbook bout a century ago ha ha . its quick and really effective cant bring myself to trust the 3 way swivels
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hehehe
I was gonna say one minute flat out but gave myself some le-way
When i worked on a charter boat i got very quick making hundreds of dropper rigs so yeh. I'm gonna be up your way soon before i go to Rotto/on the way to 2rocks etc. We'll catch up then.....easy as mate!
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what reel?
what reel u getting dean?
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Sam at this stage looking at
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