Another fuggin shark attack
Submitted by scotto on Sat, 2012-07-14 09:59
I just had a frantic phone call from a real good workmate that was surfing at wedge island this morning... the poor bloke was surfing with a few other unknown guys, when a 5m white attacked and killed a surfer about 10m away from him.
the dude is still missing, and him and a few guys are stopping others going into the water.
dumper
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http://au.news
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/14232436/shark-attack-at-wedge/
Adam Gallash
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jeebus
Podmore go and buy some lotto tickets dude, think you used up all your luck thou. Devastating news.
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uncle
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getting unbelievable isn't it
condolances to family and friends,off for a peaceful time and its all over,bugger
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Bugger
Poor guy ... it is getting out of control!!
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uncle
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do they have tagging stations
up that far?? would be interesting to know if its the one hanging around metro
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scotto
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im not sure if they do uncle,
but i think their numbers are substantially better than most think, so the chances of it being are tagged one, are low in my opinion.
MattMiller
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Terrible news
condolences for all involved.
Feel bad for your mate Scotto, can't imagine what's going through his mind right now.
scotto
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cheers miller
me too... it took the poor bloke about 2 minutes to actually get him to tell me what happened, he was that shaken up.
im working up at a site in butler, and ive just seen 4 helicoptors heading north now. hopefully one has a 50 calibre onboard.
bod
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sad news
Have to agree with Adam about Poddy, this will really bring home just how lucky those guys were.
condolences to the family. This is really sad news.
Lamby
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Terrible news, condolences to
Terrible news, condolences to his family. How many more are going to lose their lives this year especially as we gear up towards September
BOOMER
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SHARK PROBLEM - WHAT SHARK
SHARK PROBLEM - WHAT SHARK PROBLEM!!!!!!
LET START CULLING THE FCKEN THINGS-
HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE TO GET EATEN BEFORE WE DO SOME THING ABOUT THIS
BOOMER
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Stoinka
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Where is the commonsense gone.
Five Deaths in 10 months , and we are not in the dangerous time of the year. Condolences to all his family.
Would not hesitate to help thin them out if in that position.
I reckon at least another 2-3 attacks this year to come, wear your shark sheild, keep safe.
Wes F
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Not good news
Condolences to family and friends.
Don't need any knee jerk reactions about a culling program.
Old fishermen never die they just smell that way.
snappermiles
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how would you call it a knee jerk reaction??
this has been happening for years and getting worse !! knee jerk reactions arent thought about they are just implimented
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Wes F
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KILL THEM ALL
That's the best solution, wont have to worry about another attack ever again.
YEH RIGHT
Old fishermen never die they just smell that way.
snappermiles
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i never said that wes
but they certainly need to do something!
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Wes F
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What is the solution?
Not to sure if there's a prefect solution, Until a lot more info and understanding of shark behaviour is gained I don't see the point in culling them. Would be good to be able to catch, tag and track this shark and see if it hangs around. Question, Does anyone think there is such a thing as a rogue shark that targets people? Would it be possible that their feeding habits are changing?
Old fishermen never die they just smell that way.
Rod P
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That's how i see it. Less
That's how i see it. Less sharks has meant more seals. Now we have a resident seal colony so sadly what remaining sharks are around now have food local all year round.
But i think its bad form to start calling for culling or what can be done when a brother has just lost his life. Give it a day at least FFS.
ozmos
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Bloody terrible. Surprised
Bloody terrible. Surprised to hear about the attack at Mullaloo, never heard of an attack there until now. Well, I'm glad I switched from swimming to fishing!
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They certainly seem to be
They certainly seem to be working out where to get an easy feed these days.
Was only a matter of time.
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
dodgy
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Not too many fishing the
Not too many fishing the sambo aggs providing an easy feed for them anymore.
Maybe we should tell the japs that whites taste better than whales....
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condolances to the family
condolances to the family,also for every1 info this time of year gw follow the whales and seals that pass our coast,not only recent years but for centries,cold water equals more gws, plus our population has grown up and down the westcoast,thats more likely why more attacks are happening.......................
Seaquest
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Sad news. Unfortuately won't
Sad news. Unfortuately won't be the last attack we hear of this year.
Don't believe its a rogue. Sharks aren't that smart. If they are hungry and see something that looks like food they are going to have a go.
Chris fish
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Condolences to the guys
Condolences to the guys family and friends, there certainly is a lot more of them now but honestly where in there turf. Considering most of the family's involved in it don't actually want the shark harmed and understand that it's a risk we take it's poor form for the rest of us to say kill them..
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BOOMER
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More sharks more peopple
More sharks more peopple using the water combination of both,
Fact is people arew getting eaten more and more regulary. something needs to be done.
there is no need for a 6m GW patroling within a mile of a metro coast.
hooks should be set along the coast at popular swimming, surfing, diving area`s sharks that are hooked to be removed from the area,
ie- taken 20m out to sea and ''released'' (for all you political correct people).
How many people need to get eaten before these gutless job preserving so calling expert come out and make a decision that might save a couple people from getting gobbled up !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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GlennO87
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Sad.....This is getting out
Sad.....This is getting out of hand. And the government just says. Nah shark attacks and numbers arnt getting higher. They will wait untill a four year old kid gets taken and say 'oh it is horrible' then do something about it...
And anyone who thinks its a single shark doing all the killings. I think you need to get an education....Its not the movies
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Protection for a lengthy
Protection for a lengthy period equals population growth . Look at crocs in the NT , and any other animal as long as there is food . I surf , fish and love the ocean and all that it is , especially conservation and management of the oceans . But , this is not normal , dont care what is said . Baiting the local area and specific areas in close will do something at least for all who enjoy the water . Use the remains for science , the japs do . Only diference is we take a few dozen , not thousands of whales , dolphins , tuna ,etc, etc .
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squidder
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Couldn't agree more
with you Chris Fish. Me for 1 would like to know WHY there are SO many sharks in the Metro area.
Is it because there are No net boats operating there any more????????, or is there an influx of warm water bringing down some extra tucker for these big fellas.
Recently there was a massive amount of Long Nose Grey Whalers in the waters around Perth and these would be nice tucker for whites similar to whitebait to tailor.
Get a international/professional TAG team to get the tagging of these Magnificent creatures which shouldn't be too hard seeing they are in ABUNDANCE. JMO
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How many more fatalities before something is done
Condolences to the family....
Stuff this...."But we are entering and swimming in the sharks territory" arguement is bullshit......It's culling time !
The only good shark is one that's covered in batter and served with chips and salad !
Now waiting for all the greeny, conservationist types to start biting ;-)
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Sorry to hear about this and
Sorry to hear about this and feel for your mate Scotto. There's no easy answers in this. But I do reckon if they can identify the actual shark involved then kill it. The tagging and monitering system seems to work well but it's a huge coast line that can't all be protected. Get some of this 'TAX" that the gov reaps of of all us and pro tag them as Squidder says.
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Yes im with the culling crowd
Yes im with the culling crowd too ... Sure each time we enter the ocean, we know there will be a risk ...but the risk is far too high now . let them be caught by rod and reel and keep going until catch rates decline .. That will the research !!! enough is enough !!!
snappermiles
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isnt it amazing how the comments are changing
has anyone read the comments on perth now! only a year back there was one or two asking for kulling! and the rest absolutely bagging them out!! now look at the results! id say 75 % in favour of a cull! at the time i read it.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/surfer-taken-by-shark-north-of-perth/comments-e6frg12c-1226425990874
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Hahaha I love this comment
"Commercial fisherman are to blame here for raping the oceans to the point that these AWESOME predators have nothing else to eat"
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And credits to the young
And credits to the young jetski guy interviewd by the TV crew, I thought he handled the whole thing very well ...All he was concerned about was the victim and his family despite being in obvious danger himself. Well done buddy !!
bradz
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Very sad
Strange that the most recent attacks seem to be moving more north. Used to be more confined to the south metro area.
Condolences to the family. Perhaps leave the culling conversations for another time.
Unfortunately, little can be done for this family apart from having them in our thoughts.
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squidder
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Quite frankly
I don't take much notice of Perth Now and the comments from emotive hide in the cupboard types.
I believe We All need to take time time Fully understand these creatures and make the Correct decision.
Culling is the easy way out but getting the correct Culprit/s is not going to be easy.
I hope the decision, whatever it may be, when/if it comes is not a Political One.
out wide
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We all know
that something has to be done because we are becoming prey for these preditors and you know it will get worse as time goes on.
TAPOUT
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Definitely feel for the
Definitely feel for the family and anyone involved. This is an absolute tragedy yet again.
As for leaving the culling Conversation for another time I couldn't disagree more. This just yet again highlights that wether you like it or not we have a serious problem on our hands. These creatures feel no sympathy or remorse for what they do as they are built to do exactly what they are doing. Eating anything they want that is in there ocean.
Unfortunately we as human beings also want to use this ocean as we also have the right to. We are top of the food chain and unfortunately it's now time to show that. The only other option is to stay out of the water and never put yourself at risk. Killing the ones that come within our reach will not even put a dent in the population of whites out there. But by killing 3 whites may save 3 future human lives. That's a fact like it or not.
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unfortunately we're not the
unfortunately we're not the top of the food chain
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I am not in Favour off a cull
But the amount of people affected by the attacks is growing. And you do have to feel for them. It doesnt realy matter about the age of the victim, because each age effects the family in some way. But the younger seem to hurt more. I am sure that if a child was taken a hell would break out. But what is the difference.
Out there is a grieving family. Can we do something to stop a future family going through the same process. I dont know what we do, but IMO we need to do something.
I go back to my old idea. This is to clustered for us not to consider an old rogue. To old to consistently take natural prey. Sharks normally take a test bite, and even though this may be fatal, the body is not eaten. Lately this has not been the norm, and this fish eats its victim. That is not normal.
As top of the food chain we should be able to just go Bang, and kill everything that threatens us. But we do also have a unique feature that has got us there - Intelligence. I think we should use that and get rid off the possible culprits, rather than killing the innocent ones.
Just open the season for us fishwreckers for 2 odd months, and we would be in to them. Chris Fish welcome on my boat!!!!
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Travisd
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Batter up
There comes a time when we have to look back at history and learn from it. Great Whites used to be very rare and for obvious reasons needed to be protected. Now 5 fatalities in 10 months - we can all see that this just is not the case any more..
I don't believe they should be shot but rather trapped and relocated in a carbon friendly manner
The tide is definately changing.
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sherbert
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It was a mate of a mate
SAD NEWS Not good
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BOOMER
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Crasny1- you seem
Crasny1- you seem intelligent in alot of your previous post but to even hit at the possiblity that these attacks are from the same animal are insane.
two days ago front page west aust gero incident.
last week tagged shark in metro cruising up and down.
week before dude on paddle ski chompped.
Greenhead couple weeks ago amature fisherman got his sea anchor chewed up.
As well as a couple more less documented sighting which we have all been talking about.
Whales are migrating and with them they bring sharks lots of sharks thats enough scientific reason to set hooks along the coast from a june till about October
catching and culling the specimans who choose to patrol the beaches - leaving the ones who follow the thousand of whales out in 18-21 fathoms.
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I have stuck by this mate
Its just that there has been a peak like nowhere else on earth. They have had 2 in South Africa, here we now have 5. Certain areas have had more bites but not fatal. Here we have a pattern where not only is there been bites (fatal) but victims have disappeared, ie been eaten.
This is not "normal" behaviour and I believe that it is learned. I am sure I might be proven wrong, but its just "odd". I do believe the victims that have disappeared has been the same shark. But then it is a scientific issue, and I hope to be stood corrected. I dont just state this as a feeling, have done some research and it is odd.
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Dirt
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Very sad
Very sad and my condolances go out to the family and freinds as they have for previous shark attack victims. There may be more gws out there due to there protection but to me it is as simple as this,everybody has a choice,to go in the water, to skydive, to drive a car,to go out in the city late at night, all these scenarios have risks attached and claim more lives than the shark attacks will ever do.I'm not saying we shouldn't be able to go into the water to enjoy what we love but unfortunately there will be risks involved and it will be a decision we will all have to make. Killing these magnificent creatures is definitely not the answer,95 percent of families from shark attack victims don't want the shark killed .
Genoa
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We are kidding
We are kidding ourselves if we will ever understand these animals.
I believe tageing will only reduce the risk by a small %.
In the end voters outcry and cost to the tourist industry will decide the fate of the Whites.
katsy85
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Very sad news, makes me think
Very sad news, makes me think twice about a dive or surf!
humans are the dominant race but to many do gooders around these days, stick ya political correctness!
I'm def in with the cull, both sharks and crocs.
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R.I.P to the guy and
R.I.P to the guy and condolences to freinds and family.
Im starting to worry now that i have a new hobby (snorkling) making me think twice now :(
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squidder
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We are
the supreme Predators, and maybe just maybe if OUR fish stocks were managed a little better there might not be , what appears to be, an imbalance in the whites food chain.
If there's to be killing, the focus should be on getting rid of ALL the ferals that roam our land not killing what's meant to be here.
As for Crocs being culled, there happens to be countless thousands of eggs collected each year so that in itself should be enough to satisfy the few that want them killed as well.
Chris fish
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I would love for there to be
I would love for there to be tagging, with that the stress of capture would affect them and would more tha likely leave the area, I read a post about marlin, it's was said that any marlin caught on a line and stressed out would leave there feeding area like the rest of the fish for up to 6 months, if sharks have the same traits and leave the area after the stress of a capture then that is a very easy way of removing most of them from our area, it would also be a great sport fish and I know a lot of people that would be keen it landing an absolute monster.. I for one would be the first person paddling a 15kg+ bait out in hope for one of them.
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woody
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Chris fish...you have hit the
Chris fish...you have hit the nail on the head!!! Let us fish for them, tag and release only.....people would be lining up to do it. Easy way to get a good number of GWs tagged, deploy a few more monitoring stations and we're in business. No culling needed.
TAPOUT
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I'm still leaning towards a
I'm still leaning towards a rogue shark myself. If one shark has come across an easy way to feed then it will keep taking the easy way until it is stopped. They are a pure killing machine and a lot smarter than we give them credit for. I won't be going in the water in the near future that's for sure. But I could guarantee if anyone close to me got taken I would want the thing hunted down and killed or I would do it myself.
meglodon
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condolences to his family and friends
sincere condolences to his family and friends on this tragic day. I don't think that right at this moment is the time to talk about to cull or not.
Let the dust settle then look at the incident in the cold light of day and get a clear picture of what circumstances prevailed at the time
Perry Home
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Worth having a look at this footage - 1 week ago off Dunsborough
Supposed to be 2 sharks in this footage - the boat these guys are in isn't that big- I think my surfing days are just about done for a while until I feel confident something has been sorted. Condolences to the family & friends of the latest victim. I heard reported that is now 5 fatalities in 10 months off our coast - I'm not sure if that is right - really I think 1 fatality is too many!
Have a look at this footage posted on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8JGkX4lynA
StevieP
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that link not sure how the
that link not sure how the white is harassing them they have a whole dead bait hanging of the back of the boat.
dumper
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This will stir up the
This will stir up the bleeding hearts
http://mobile.news.com.au/national/surfer-taken-by-shark-north-of-perth/story-fndo4e3y-1226425990874
squidder
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Amazing
,the Fisheries Dept have given the rogue a name meaning "IT"has some identifiable marks ???.
Thank f#*k Kangaroos aren't carnivorious, we would be in serious trouble.
Uglyprik
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Dumper have you asked
yourself what precautions local surfers took when they noticed a large shark they nicknamed 'Brutus' in the 4 days prior to the attack? I thought humans are the intelligant beings on earth? Why wouldn't you surf elsewhere or simply take a break instead of continuing to surf in an area where you know there is a shark large enough to be nick named Brutus??? Is it arrogance or lack of smarts?? Look at the sighting by spearo's at Gerro last week.
You and others refer to people who don't agree with a cull as bleeding hearts or greenies - I don't agree with a cull and if you knew me you would laugh at the notion that I'm a bleeding heart or a greenie rest assured!! I grew up using Penn Senator 12/0's to balloon for and catch and kill many large bronzies, whites (before protection) and other assorted species of shark largely because that and rays were the only game fishing available to me.
Lets take a look at the youtube footage at Dunsborough - instead of filming and observing these creatures, lets throw a dead fish around so that they can associate boats (for that matter any small floating device like surfboards) with food - great idea that. Whites are known to have a small brain capable of a limited thought process. This kind of activity like berlying up for cage diving encourages unusual behaviour from what is a large killing machine equipped with a very small hard drive. There are believed to be only 3,000 GWS in the world.
The 'kill order' is a PR excercise by fisheries to apease the bounty dreamers. The department is guided by marine experts who know full well that they will never be able to ID the shark and no shark will be killed as a consquence of this attack. They are just trying to make out they are doing something, the same as they usually do after an attack.
Oh and one more thing, some people are claiming that they would line up to catch the whites if given the go ahead. Me thinks that would be comical like sitting down at the boat ramp on a hot Sunday afternoon watching the antics on the ramp!! Have you any idea what sort of boat, skill and equipment you would need to safely catch a 4m + white? Whites are capable of biting their own tail to gain release after tailroping. They are by no means a 'normal shark'.
Condolences to the family of a fine young Perth musician. An avoidable waste of life.
Now bring on the bounty hunters
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zak_fish
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really sorry for the loss.but
really sorry for the loss.
but culling is not the answer, i surf and it is getting out on control but at the end of the day where in there territory.
i still believe you have more chance of dieing driving a car then getting attacked by a shark.
grayzeee
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Terrible news again. RIP and
Terrible news again. RIP and sincere condolences to all who knew him.
I find it hard to believe that something that has survived for millions of years , can't learn something new , to take advantage of a new resource.
Surely any and all lifeforms can do that. Basic survival instinct.
The jump in the number of cases points to this, doesn't it?
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
Rod P
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Yes it does. Less food means
Yes it does. Less food means that sharks are having to look for alternatives. Sadly i think it will get worse.
Sad thing is fisheries say they are making an effort but i read in Nathan Podmore's post that fisheries never even spoke with them regarding there encounter. Yeah they are really making a effort.
Twice this week Trigg was cleared due to sharks and surfers and it hardly made the news. Now the news sites are once again all over this, because they know we don't have a answer. Other than the only true way is to ban water activities. Will that ever happen? No So we just have to deal with the mess we have made for ourselves in the Ocean and its ecosystem.
A cull IMHO would only make it worse. Cull great whites and you can kiss your fishing good bye as it will bring about the total collapse. Seals are already getting too high in numbers and soon they will run out of food as well. Wait till your trying to fish and you now have hundreds of seals hanging around your boat, then attacking swimmers and surfers?
allrounder
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More Seals and more Whales equal more food source
No easy answer to this one.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
UncutTriggerInWA
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Do we as humans have to resolve this?
This is the marine ecosystem at play. It's a bit of a double edges sword really. We as humans fight to preserve and sustain the marine ecosystem and then we get upset when that system starts to consume us. I hate my swimming pool but frankly I feel safe swimming in it. LOL. Blame it on global warming if you like. All the predators (including the refugees) see the Indian Ocean as a great place to be.
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cudbfishn
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Humans are responsible for
Humans are responsible for killing billions of animals. Why not a human cull?
katsy85
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I think the taliban are
I think the taliban are sorting that one?
cudbfishn
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So the taliban are actually
So the taliban are actually greenies? Fark where can i join up? Lol
Craig J
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Mate sorry but you are an idiot if you can't contribute sensibly
Just shut up
cudbfishn
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Sensible?How is any of this
Sensible?
How is any of this sensible. As a taxpayer and surfer I would not be happy paying for a "shark cull" that could cost into the millions of dollars for something that kills on average 1-2 people a year? Just for "piece of mind"? Fark bees kill more people a year than sharks so what are you gonna do? Cull all bees? On average in the states alone 50 people die each year.
As every surfer knows and has said before and will say after many more shark deaths. "I know the risk and im willing to take it."
Besides I rekon it would be a great way to go.
-Everyone who has been attacked by a shark didnt know it was coming.
-If its gonna kill you it would be pretty quick.
-You die doing something you love.
-Your names gonna be written all over the media.
till
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Pretty much spot on. Be
Pretty much spot on.
Be great to see FW so up in arms about something that really did kill a lot of people.
Daniel Y
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Why don't we kill every
Why don't we kill every shark over a metre long in australias EEZ and sell the fins to japan? That way we may solve not only the shark attack problem, but also australias economic crisis
trymyluck
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Im really surprised how
Im really surprised how "precious " White sharks have become to sections of the community. We kill everything ..Dhuies, mackies, barra, Crabs, Whitebait all beautiful fish in their own way but now people are saying we cant kill a big shark or maybe 10 ? We kill everything else in the ocean except Whales and Dolphins , but why are great whites added to this exclusive list ??? Its got me buggered .The only thing that will kill people are large sharks and some decide that it isnt the right thing to do ?? Why ? I dont understand.
I dont think anyone wants them to become extinct, they just want the numbers reduced to a level that will allow our young people to go out surfing, diving , do all the things that Aussies like to do with a high chance of returning to family and friends. At the moment it is becoming too dangerous for some. Reducing the numbers will help. It really simple... dont make this hard. !!!
Rod P
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How many is the number you'd
How many is the number you'd be happy with. Scientists suggest there is less than 3000 in the world. So what is your number to feel safe?
Sure not out the hinge pin and than see what happens?
Actually whilst were at it lest cuts down every last tree, lets eat all the food, screw carbon lets just pollute till we fell very happy.
Lets all gorge and pig ourselves until we realise its too late.
sea-kem
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Because they are the top of
Because they are the top of the food chain. Knock them out and the eco system collapses. There's a reason they've been there for millions of years and it's check and balance.
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crasny1
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Bull dust
I am not saying cull them, I am a Rogue theorist.
But if there was only 3000 spread around the world, they would be spread thin. South Africa, South America, South Oz, Here, baHa Mexico etc etc. And if there was only 3000 that number would even dent the food chain. Removing them would do nothing. Probably Killer whales will increase their numbers slightly to take up the space.
So that theory falls on its own sword. But I dont believe we have the right to just kill a species because it threatens us.
Poor timber cutters in India are frequently killed by tigers. Now I have not researched this like GWS but the outcry if we decide to annihilate all tigers - well lets not go there.
Those number would have to be wrong, and if right just add to my Rogue theory. Spread thin, and then a spate off attacks in one area, not like this in other places. So why? Because one shark, maybe 2 have learned a new trick - eat stupid easy to pray on humans. Since it isnt our prefered environment we are slow and easy meat.
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sea-kem
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You've got to be absolutely
You've got to be absolutely kidding Crasny. 'Removing them would do nothing. Probably Killer whales will increase their numbers slightly to take up the space'your words.You're an eminent marine biologist then and know what the consequeneces are for removing the top predator from the food chain? Can't remember the last time I saw a killer whale attacking people down the coast or a killer whale down our coast at all. The whites are there for a reason. Mate even the marine biologist don't know enough about them.
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uncle
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yeah its not as though
you can go and admire them and give then a pat,as I say, how many do we need???
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sandbar
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The more we populate the
The more we populate the planet the more people take up surfing.
Just like more drivers on the road creates more accidents.
I'm no greenie but culling sharks will not stop people dying.
katsy85
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OK if people are so against
OK if people are so against culling why cant we be allowed to defend ourselfs with something like a powerhead, i know people have them but i thought they were illegal in WA, and dont bring up because people will hurt themselfs.
Look at the yanks, they go camping, take a rifle incase they come accross a bear and defend themselfs.
Dizzy
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Oh yeah - the US is a model
Oh yeah - the US is a model society we should all take note of, NOT !
They also have handguns to defend themselves in their own homes - and look where that's got them ....
If fisheries had introduced a DECENT tagging program way back when it was obvious things were already getting worse, we'd probably already know whether the rogue theory was valid rather than everyone speculating with nothing to back it up.
** BEEP, BEEP ** shark #XYZ (that previously surfaced at Cottesloe & Mullaloo) just surfaced at Wedge Island. - now THAT would be some evidence.
Instead it's all STILL speculation, and they STILL can't find the responsible shark.
It would save so much guess work - plus it would make it whole lot easier to hunt them down if the kill order was issued.
Instead they just f#ck around with months of indecision, playing with their dicks and giving themselves pay rises.
Then someone else gets killed and there's an uproar - so they order a quick fix cull with no evidence to say the sharks they're killing are the ones responsible.
Doooma
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Question
If I was out diving and was harassed by an aggressive great white, I wouldnt hesitate about sticking him with a bang stick... Now if I actually killed the thing.. would I be subject to prosecution because they are protected? Or is it self defence?
Does anyone know which way the law would go in this scenario?
Im talking about a scenario where I cant exit the water quickly (onto a boat) because I usually dive off the beach and find myself a few hundred meters out quite often chasing crayfish.. (during the season obviously).. My only option is to either kill or be killed...
crasny1
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With the current media mood
You would be a hero. As for the law, you have broken it. But I doubt if anyone would want to prosecute that one.
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Willlo
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As i said in the other thread
As i said in the other thread Dooma , who would know if you killed it? IMO you would be a legend. Dont agree on culling just get rid of the ones known to have attacked us close to shore ,something has to be done tourism in this state will take a dive.Speaking of diving was talking to local dive shop operator and he is only just breaking even over the last 2 years. Never mind the fishing restrictions and marine parks etc if something isnt done diving and surfing will become one of the stories you tell your grandkids about the good old days when you could go in the water fairly confident you would make it back to shore and didnt have this ever present fear that you are being stalked. Dont agree with this argument that if you are worried dont go in the water.Going into the sea is part of our lifestyle in Australia. I bet the parents of all the kids in Surf Life Saving clubs up and down the coast are having second thoughts.To compare shark attacks to road deaths is a complete load of crap,how many surfers in the water on the day of the attack? Compare that to how many cars on the road at peak hour how many deaths?
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sarcasm0
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Interesting information
Im watching this from O/S with interest.
Some info about Whites and their endangered species status.
http://www.environment.gov.au/cgi-bin/sprat/public/publicspecies.pl?taxon_id=64470
http://www.environment.gov.au/coasts/publications/identification-guide/pubs/identification-guide-introduction.pdf
The sharks are protected under our EPBC 1999 act. Norman Moore saying they are reviewing their protected status in WA is absolute shit as he is a state minister and they are protected federally. Which is basically because we are a signatory to the CITES list and they are listed as vulnerable in appendix 2.
However you can apply for a permit to:
The Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999 (EPBC Act) requires a permit for activities which may kill, injure, take, trade, keep or move a member of a listed threatened species or ecological community, a member of a listed migratory species, or a member of a listed marine species in or on a Commonwealth area.
Permits will only be issued by the Environment Minister if the activity:
- contributes significantly to the conservation of the listed threatened species or ecological community, the listed migratory species, or the listed marine species concerned, or other listed migratory or marine species or
- the impact of the activity on a member of a listed threatened species or ecological community, a member of a listed migratory species, or a member of a listed marine species concerned is incidental to, and not the purpose of, the taking of the activity and
- the taking of the activity will not adversely affect the survival or recovery in nature of the listed threatened species or ecological community or the conservation status or population of the listed migratory species or the listed marine species and
- the taking of the activity is not inconsistent with a recovery plan that is in force for the listed threatened species or ecological community or a wildlife conservation plan that is in force for the listed migratory species or the listed marine species and
- the holder of the permit will take all reasonable steps to minimise the impact of the activity on the listed threatened species or ecological community, the listed migratory species, or the listed marine species or
- the specified activity is of particular significance to indigenous tradition, and will not adversely affect the survival or recovery in nature of the conservation status of the listed threatened species or ecological community, the listed migratory species (including any population), or the listed marine species concerned or
- the specified activity is necessary in order to control pathogens, and is conducted in a way that will, so far as is practicable, keep to a minimum any impact on the listed threatened species or ecological community, the listed migratory species, or the listed marine species concerned.
ExemptionsThe Environment Minister may exempt a person proposing to take an activity from the requirement to obtain a permit provided the person applies in writing. When granting an exemption, the Environment Minister will need to be satisfied that it is in the national interest.
via : www.environment.gov.au/epbc/permits/species.html
RIP to the surfer and condolences to his family.
TAPOUT
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My Kids usually surf and swim
My Kids usually surf and swim off Wedge when we are up there. But they will not be going in the water anymore and nor will I. I for one am not going to ingnore the clear warning signs that things are not like they used to be in our waters. I know the risk has always been there but clearly the game has changed. If they were big Bronzies attacking people there would be no complaint of a cull. A shark is a shark some are just bigger.
SABRE
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cull
I'm not for a wholesale culling of great whites,but if you could identify the shark that carried out the attack definetely then why not kill it. We do the same things to dogs and thats only if they bite some-one not kill them. The problem being how do you identify the correct shark in the first place ??
Condolences to all family and friends of the recent shark attack victims.
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carnarvonite
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Not easy
Its not an easy job catching the shark now that its had a big feed, it could be a week or two before its ready to eat again and in that time may have travelled a couple of hundred kilometres
tot
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2c
thats exactly why I have no problem with people surfing the following day at wedge or anywhere after an attack .
surely people must realise the sharks are following the migration of the whales .
other than seals and new born whales what do they eat? are they fast enough to get bottom fish? are they in close near the beach because they cant find a feed out the back??
IMO the marine biologists needs to answer a few key questions before any GW is culled
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Dirt
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Electronic tagging
Don't believe in culling the sharks, they should put in an extensive effort to catch and tag as many big sharks as they can over the next couple of years, develop a phone app that everyone can access to see weather there has been any shark activity in the area they intend to go surfing swimming or diving in.it is not a fail safe but the more sharks they tag the better chance we will have
meglodon
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totally agree
best idea yet on the subject
carnarvonite
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Waste
In the Wedge case , tagging a pointer is a waste of money. The closest beacon to pick up the signal is over 100 km away and its not going to sit on the surface giving you a look at its radio tag to let you know its there.
Its been done to keep the greenies and some swimmers on popular beaches happy and in now way going to stop attacks. Even when the alarm went off a couple of weeks back that there was one in the area the beaches stayed open so whats the sense of it.