Another Shark Attack

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http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/shark-attack-at-esperance/news-story/9427f56c684b7524b14eba13b173a312

Another shark attack down south, sadly  it has since been reported that the young girl did not survive. Apparently witnessed by her parents and sisters.

Condolences to all her knew her.


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 she has since passed

Mon, 2017-04-17 18:15

 she has since passed away...

 

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/shark-attack-at-esperance/news-story/9427f56c684b7524b14eba13b173a312

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 Very sad news, condolences

Mon, 2017-04-17 18:28

 Very sad news, condolences to the family.

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Thats gotta be the worst scenario

Tue, 2017-04-18 07:00

 For a family on holidays. RIP

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Cull the sharks

Tue, 2017-04-18 14:06

It makes me angry to think how many lives over the last few years could have been saved if the stupid government stopped putting shark lives before humans. I know it's there domain and we chose to enter it but it's not going to stop. The fact it was a young girl is so sad. Next will be an even younger kid

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Sharks

Tue, 2017-04-18 14:21

easter road toll was 11 and you're worried about killing sharks ! 

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Spot on

Tue, 2017-04-18 14:36

 Well said

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 The government has done a

Tue, 2017-04-18 15:06

 The government has done a lot about road safety through law changes, improvements through vehicle design standards and improved road design and the death rate per 100,000 is steadily dropping.

 
The government changed the law regarding Great Whites and it is now resulting in fatalities unseen in our history since settlement. 
 
One shark fatality, eleven road fatalities… it’s all the same to me and I expect something to be done about both
 
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Who said anything about road toll?

Tue, 2017-04-18 15:10

 not sure what road toll has to do with a shark victim but I bet you would feel differently if it was one of your loved ones.

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 Was marineboys comment. 

Tue, 2017-04-18 16:07

 Was marineboys comment. 

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 Yeah I know my reply was to

Tue, 2017-04-18 17:54

 Yeah I know my reply was to his comment. Like you said Willo people always bring up road toll. I agree with you too many tree hugging greenys out there. 

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i agree

Tue, 2017-04-18 22:09

i agree with you shark numbers are out of control , just as any fisherman / diver in the north west , let alone the south west would confirm , its a scary scary  thing when a shark attacks you  i was lucky on the 2 times it happened to me whilst diving of onslow, i managed to shoot both tiger sharks with a disposable smokie (highly illegal but shouldnt be ) both incedents were years apart , and dont think it cant happen twice , just ask greg pickering  

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 If you pro rata the

Tue, 2017-04-18 15:20

 If you pro rata the amount of people on the road vs in the water , the odds of being killed by a shark would be up there . I’d feel a lot safer driving to exmouth overnight than floating offshore in the water .  

 
Absolutely horrendous for the family .. taken way too early in life very sad , condolences to all .
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Pro rata

Tue, 2017-04-18 17:55

 ok you want an apples for apples comparison then there are an average of 250 drownings per year in Australian waterways compared to 3 or 4 shark attack fatalities. Drownings don't even make the news most times. 

Also most friends and family of shark attack victims don't condone a cull of sharks, people who are true watermen and women understand the risk vs probability of an attack and that's why there are so many surfers and divers that enjoy their pass time every day in our pristine waters. 

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Give me the risk vs

Tue, 2017-04-18 18:52

Give me the risk vs probability of being attacked in the water we had in the 90's anyday

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 I don't want apples or any

Tue, 2017-04-18 20:42

 I don't want apples or any stats for that matter . I just came to this thread initially to express my condolences 

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 Yep roll out the old road

Tue, 2017-04-18 14:46

 Yep roll out the old road toll stats and compare them to shark attack stats thats original . Fact is more sharks more people = more attacks. With this govt in you can expect sweet f all to be done about it so all the sea kitten huggers can rest easy. Sell the surfboards and dive gear a shark is way more important than a human life. Condolences to all family and friends an absolute horror of a thing to have to go through. 

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Road toll

Tue, 2017-04-18 16:49

Well if we're going to compare road toll to shark attacks perhaps we should look at the users of each for a relative comparison? It's an endless argument anyway

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Why compare?

Tue, 2017-04-18 17:49

 Not sure why we compare it to anything the fact is if we culled sharks there would be less attacks and lives would be saved. 20 years ago people would just catch and kill them and attacks were so rare. There's just so many attacks now it's not even surprising when we hear of it. Anyway I just think it's really sad and think it could be avoided

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unfortunately we compare

Tue, 2017-04-18 18:50

unfortunately we compare because in the end it comes down to money. cull the sharks....how much did it cost the barnett gov? we have a finite amount of (govt.) money . should we take it from the roads? from education? from health?
I certainly don't have the answers and no offence but it's certainly not as simplistic as you make out.

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Fishos cull

Tue, 2017-04-18 20:38

 it wouldn't cost the government anything. Just tell the pro fisherman and us recos that if we catch we can kill. I guarantee if we were allowed too people would target them. Government are bunch of wankers when that American bloke got taken off back of Rottnest they waited a couple of days before they started hunting it.... they had no intention of finding or destroying it, if they did they would be out there as soon as it happened. I agree with jim, there are shitloads of whites out there. Not saying it was a white because we don't know but they are responsible for a massive part of attacks and are notorious for following there same tracks could be the same couple of sharks attacking. Just kill the bastards. Anyway I've had my say il zip it now

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 Great whites should be

Tue, 2017-04-18 18:22

 Great whites should be removed from the endangered list I reckon. Why are they endangered? numbers down? yeh right.

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 Just putting it out there,

Tue, 2017-04-18 19:47

 Just putting it out there, attack happened down south and in a remote location. How can you guard against that even if there was a cull. Where they were is probably prime white country. It's just devastating and my heart goes out to the family.

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too many

Tue, 2017-04-18 19:55

I flicked out a line probably 30m off the beach two weeks ago. kids swimming all around on a busy sat arvo. 50 mins later reeled in a 3m bronzy.

Flicked out another last week 1.5m schooly, middle of the day

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 Unfortunately, nowadays it

Tue, 2017-04-18 20:21

 Unfortunately, nowadays it seem that it's not  "IF" your going to get attacked it's more likely "WHEN"..

it does suck tho, it has a flow on effect,  a lot of things suffer.. such as tourism, business associated with ocean water sports..because a lot of people are to scared to enter the water now 

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 We have a couple of friendly

Wed, 2017-04-19 16:48

 We have a couple of friendly Tigers that frequent one of the surf breaks in exmouth.  It is not unusual to see one whilst surfing or when your paddling in or out.  They are getting a little to friendly lately and im worried its only a matter of time before one has a nibble on a swimmer or surfer. I must say not many people surf this break anymore which is not a bad thing.  One did remove me from my board last year but didnt have its mouth open. This morning I was down checking the surf and watched as one surfed a wave in from way out straight at some kids swimming.  Gave them a hoy and they got out of the water and the tiger cruised into the beach and then run parrallel down the beach about 10m out in about half a metre  of water dorsal and tail out.

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F*#K THAT!

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F*#K THAT!

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media are loving it

Wed, 2017-04-19 16:57

one I heard today,their culling us,why can't we cull them.

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 Labor mob will be cooking up

Wed, 2017-04-19 17:41

 Labor mob will be cooking up a media diversion plan as we speak , the heats on .. they’re still scratching their head regarding the policy on the run with the subsidised shark shields .. 

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 Karl Langdon has just spoken

Wed, 2017-04-19 17:57

 Karl Langdon has just spoken the best logic I've heard on this this week. Open up the shark fishery to  commercial and raise the rec size limits. He also said that whatever you do you'll never stop attacks, especially if people put themselves at risk this time of the year when Salmon are on the move. 

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Wed, 2017-04-19 21:25

 true karl did make a good point , but to blame the attacks on the samon migration is drawing a long bow , samon dont migrate to broome where a young pearl diver was taken about 20 years ago , ken crew wasnt in a school of samon when he was taken in knee deep water , i could go on , bugger all samon of onslow the two times tiger sharks had a crack at me i have never seen a GW shark but my understanding is they just hit their prey , on the other hand tiger sharks and i know personaly will sit of their prey IE me and circle checking you out untill they deside to go you , oh and forgot those nasty pricks  called reef sharks they will have a crack too but usualy back down if you poke them in the snout with a spear gun

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 Facepalm, he said there was

Wed, 2017-04-19 21:29

 Facepalm, he said there was a heightened risk when the Salmon migrate. You obviously haven't seen the aerial footage of sharks chomping through Salami schools down south? Hmmm all that extra fish activity in the water over the next few months won't draw the sharks, man you are bang on 

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 Actually I dare you to jump

Wed, 2017-04-19 21:31

 Actually I dare you to jump in the middle of a Salmon school feeding frenzy, I'm sure there'll be nothing lurking below 

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Pearl diver probably unlucky

Thu, 2017-04-20 08:18

Pearl diver probably unlucky but back then there was always a lot of divers in the water. Judging by the amount of sharks we are seeing up here over the last 5 years it wouldn't surprise me if another got attacked. The sharks have been following boats around in packs while sailfishing waiting for a fish to be hooked the last couple of years. They have become a pain in the arse.

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sea-kem

Wed, 2017-04-19 21:50

 ok maybe , you have a point  , but it has been only the last two years those massive schools of salmon having been coming through previos years samon numbers have been down

could you posilbley explain how the samon migration contributes to the gero attacks, abrolose island attack and broom attack

 

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thing is , all the wa coast

Wed, 2017-04-19 23:57

thing is , all the wa coast south of the bouvards IS OPEN TO COMMERCIAL SHARK FISHING and is fished currently , this has still not stopped the increase in attacks , so that idea is clearly flawed and is only being pushed by some to gain access back for their vested interest , not to reduce shark numbers

it looks good in the media to spruke that idea , but the facts say otherwise , all that would result is your metro demersal fishing will go downhill rapidly ,

a small number of commercial shark fishers will make money and still attacks will occur as they do now , look at the list below , 11 of the 16 victims since 2000 where taken in waters that have commercial shark fisheries

a solution needs to be able to target large sharks , commercial shark fisheries dont tend to do that really well purely because of the net mesh size used

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WA SHARK ATTACK VICTIMS SINCE 2000:
November 2000
KEN CREW, 48
Fatally mauled in knee-deep water at North Cottesloe beach.
July 2004
BRAD SMITH, 30
Killed while surfing at Lefthanders surf break near Gracetown.
March 2005
GEOFFREY BRAZIER, 26
Killed after being attacked by a 6m shark while snorkelling off the Abrolhos Islands, off Geraldton.
December 2008
BRIAN GUEST, 51
Killed at Port Kennedy as he snorkelled with his son within 30m of the beach.
August 2010
NICK EDWARDS, 31
Killed while surfing off Gracetown.
September 2011
KYLE BURDEN, 21
Fatally bitten while bodyboarding at Bunker Bay, near Dunsborough.
October 2011
GEORGE WAINWRIGHT, 32
Texan killed while diving from a boat about 500m off Little Armstrong Bay at Rottnest Island.
October 2011
BRYN MARTIN, 64
Disappeared while swimming at Cottesloe beach. The WA Coroner concluded he was taken by a shark.
March 2012
PETER KURMANN, 33
Killed by a 4m great white while diving about 1.6km off Stratham beach, 230km south of Perth.
July 2012
BEN LINDEN, 24
Killed while surfi ng with a mate near Wedge Island on Saturday.
November 2013
CHRIS BOYD, 35
Plumber Chris Boyd, 35, originally from Queensland, was fatally attacked off Gracetown.
December 2014
JAY MUSCAT, 17
Died after he was mauled by a 4-5m great white off Cheynes beach.
May 31, 2016
BEN GERRING
Surfer is mauled by a shark off the coast of Falcon. He died from his injuries in hospital.
June 5, 2016
DOREEN COLLYER
Killed after being attacked by a large shark while diving off Mindarie.

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 That was my point  with the

Thu, 2017-04-20 06:29

 That was my point  with the commercial sector is for them to be able to target the larger sharks, sell off the fins and jaws etc. We all know the larger sharks are no good for fish and chips. 

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the gov is politically not

Thu, 2017-04-20 08:02

the gov is politically not likly to let large sharks be caught if the only usable meat is fins and jaws , unless the public buys the idea based on emotions to accept that as some form of a cull , at present that is highly improbable

making the large great whites a high value trophy type of capture to high end fishos ,might be one idea that would reduce the numbers ,but again , not likly yet based on public opinion /emotions

the gov drum line policy did not work well , nor will commercial shark netting really specifically target the large sharks ,

most commercial shark guys catch a high percentage of smaller sharks and demersals as a mix , im sure carnarvonite can chime in here , with his experience, but i would doubt that in any one year commercial shark netters would take too many large GW sharks , probly less that 3-4 if that ,
or they are not putting them down on their returns as they are illegal to catch or kill

they would reduce the population of smaller sharks, as they do outside the metro now , but it is the big ones that are not only responsible for attacks but are the breeders as well

drop lining or long lining wont target large sharks exclusivly either , it is a take all biters/ feeders catch rate , no matter the size

you might do better if the shark mesh size to target large sharks was made in a much bigger size such as 12'' or 16 ''inch, mesh , that would allow smaller size sharks and demersals to swim through it maybe , but id think you would set miles of large mesh , very often to only take a handfull of big sharks a month or a year

john ,if you dont mind answering ?? how many great whites would you have taken in a year ?? and how many small great whites would you have taken in your time at sea operating a boat ?? with the smaller shark mesh sizes you used ?

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 Good feedback, and the

Thu, 2017-04-20 09:05

 Good feedback, and the answer to the problem seem to lie in politics and emotion. Do you have any ideas for mitigation?

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Whites

Thu, 2017-04-20 11:17

In approx. 12 years of sharkfishing both up north and down around the capes area would have seen 4-5 and taken one that we couldn't bring in due to regulations [was a real pain watching thousands of dollars worth of jaws and fins slide out of sight]

Suspect we lost others with heavy duty set lines going missing overnight, 12mm rope, 7kg anchor, 8 x floats, 3 metres of braided wire and 14/0 heavy duty hooks only to return in the morning and find no trace. Lost 7 out of 10 rigs off Naturaliste inside a fortnight.

Not sure of the exact net sizes we were forced to use but it was around 7inch or thereabouts, using bigger mesh causes you to lose too many small sharks but lets you get bigger scalefish.

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thanks john seakem , if i

Thu, 2017-04-20 15:32

thanks john

seakem , if i was minister responsible for this dept federally , first things i would do for a start are

1 ...take all great whites of the endangered list immediately in australian waters

reason is they are not imo endangered & never have been

2 ... totally ban all shark cage diving operations across the whole country
reason , this type of operations has over many years targetted GW hot spots and lured them to the cage divers with burly, noises and bait/feed rewards, so much so that imo they have quasi trained many large migratory GW to associate humans, boats , noises with a feed or rewards these big sharks are savvy enough to learn and repeat what they have learnt from cage diving operations and use it as they migrate back and forth along our coast , hence they now associate humans as mammals as a source of food , when maybe once 40 years ago they did not react quite the same

3 ...offer out expressions of interest to those licenced charters and commercial vessels that wanted to register to be able to conduct trophy hunt charters to paying members of the public, local and international targetting great whites over 3 metres in australian waters

this might help replace , re employ those cage diving operations who get shut down and specifically target the large GW that are the problem , while it may not be alot to start with caught , it has potential to grow and earn dollars for some charters/commercials who wanted to make it a speciality for big bucks
especially in wa ,and south oz , it would of course have to be conducted well offshore at least 10 nm out min

4... have a public consultation process to investigate the potential of paid lookouts sitting up high at selected key locations /popular public swimming /surfing beaches along the coast to moniter the ocean directly within sight similar to surf lifesavers do , even combining the roles , some key spots are suitable for this , not all but some
this is used in SA , and though it cant totally be relied on , it might help spot sharks at busy key surf/swimming spots before they attack , people at least may have a choice then to use such places or go it alone elswhere

5... review more suitable locations where beaches can be isolated with heavy duty mesh over summer where people can swim in safety in the ocean , and do the same forland based ocean swimming pools at the beach

there would be more but that is a start imo

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Hezzy for Premier

Thu, 2017-04-20 15:33

Hezzy for Premier

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some interesting and good

Thu, 2017-04-20 16:22

some interesting and good suggestions here
since you've put it out there, I'll comment

1. (GW off endangered list):like to see some science behind this. All very well to say "I see more GW's therefore they are not endangered". the biggest issue I have with this is that without some sort of science behind a decision like that it
a) sets a dangerous precedent..... do we really want ministers over riding decisions about the environment with no basis in science?.....(hmmmm....more than they already do.)
b) it gives opposition a very just basis for their argument. better IMO to put the burden on opposition to PROVE IT'S A BAD DECISION. this is exactly why barnetts decision didn't fly in the end .... it's harder to argue with a scientific paper reviewed by peers that states GW's are not endangered anymore

FWIW no one can categorically state that the prevalence of sighting on our local coast is consistent with the rest of the world and is not at least in part due to the fact the WA has some of the best managed fisheries in the world so GW's are congregating here because of a rarity in food source elsewhere in the world.

Very much like the rest of your other suggestions although 3... could make for some interesting "shark wars" on our doorstep. lol

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You might want to re-introduce the 457

Fri, 2017-04-21 08:23

for the Shark watchers as in South Africa. They have a flag system in the Cape Town Area.
BUT labour is dirt cheap, the spotters get paid next to NADA. But they have a job and with the GDP per capita per yr in SA about $5000 US a year and massive unemployment a job is a job.
Also if you have been to Cape Town they sit high up on the mountainous surrounds with visibility almost like a chopper (been there to see them in Action).
The system works well there. Still attacks and fatalities but compared to here low considering what happens within a few K's offshore at Seal Island, where you see the breaching sharks.
It's basically a job boring as bat shit and I cant see any Australian doing this.
It works there due to the low pay, unemployment and terrain.
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PROTOCOL

If there are no flags flying associated with the Shark Spotting Programme it means that there are no shark spotters on duty. At Shark Spotter beaches the mountain spotter (lookout) will upon the start of his / her shift first asses the spotting conditions before raising any flags. The spotter will take into account the glare, cloud cover, water clarity; swell and wind chop (all which affect the ability to detect sharks). Once the spotter has assessed his / her ability to spot for sharks they will request the spotter on the beach to raise the appropriate flag.

GREEN FLAG

The green flag signifies good spotting conditions. This will be raised when the spotters can see clearly in the area where the majority of water users are. Please note that if for example, it is low tide and the water is clear for the first 50 metres, but there are 60 surfers at approx. 100m where the water is milky or patchy, this will not qualify for a green flag.

BLACK FLAG

The black flag signifies poor spotting conditions. This flag will be raised by the spotters if they are not able to clearly see what is happening in the area used by water users. Factors affecting water visibility include: glare, cloud cover, water clarity; swell and wind chop. Please note that glare plays a significant role in reducing the spotters’ ability to see clearly, particularly in early morning and late afternoon.

WHITE FLAG

The white flag (with a solid black shark) will be raised when a shark is seen in the vicinity of water users and is assessed to pose a potential threat to water users. The spotter will take into account the shark’s distance from the water users, its swimming speed and direction of travel. The shark siren will also be sounded at this time. The white flag will remain raised for as long as the spotter has a visual of the shark in the area, whether this is a few minutes or a few hours.

Once the shark has left the area used by water users the white flag will remain raised for a short time while the spotter scans the area to ensure another shark has not entered and that the original shark does not return to the area.

Once the spotter is satisfied that the shark no longer poses a threat and there are no other visible potential dangers the white flag will be removed and the red flag will be raised.

The white flag will also be raised after a serious incident such as a shark bite, when the beach is closed.

RED FLAG

The red flag is used as a warning that a shark has recently been seen, that there is higher than usual shark activity or that there are known conditions for high shark activity.

The red flag will be flown every time after a shark has been seen, for one hour. Provided no other sighting is recorded during that time, after one hour the red flag will be taken down and either the green or black flag will be raised depending upon spotting conditions. If a second shark is seen within the hour following the first sighting, the red flag will remain flying for a further hour from the time the second shark left the area.

If a shark is spotted that is far from the area used by water users, and poses no potential threat to water users, instead of clearing the beach and putting up the white flag, the spotters will raise the red flag for one hour, but not clear the beach.

The shark sightings are monitored daily and trends and patterns can be identified. This allows for the early detection of sudden increases in shark activity. In the event that more than five shark sightings are made at a specific beach on one day, the red flag will be flown as a warning to water users that there is increased shark activity in the area. If shark activity at adjacent beaches is even higher than five shark sightings and the sharks are observed in hunting behavioural modes i.e. chasing schools of fish or seals, then the red flag will be strongly considered for adjacent beaches, especially if there is poor visibility. It’s important to remember that this is a dynamic system and therefore each situation will be assessed in conjunction with managers, scientist and local authorities with the public’s safety as the top priority.

Furthermore, the red flag will be flown when the conditions are conducive to increased shark activity, such as (but not limited to) cetacean strandings which are proven to attract sharks to the area, the presence of large schools of migratory fish e.g. yellowtail or white steenbras which attract large sharks"

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There's a whooole bunch of

Fri, 2017-04-21 09:08

There's a whooole bunch of the feral unwashed greens sitting on the dole waiting for the next social media 'eco protest'.

Sit them in towers shark spotting at popular remote surf spots around the state to warn surfers via a flag system and actually work for the dole. Who knows, those that actually have jobs may also do it for free seeing as they love sharks so much.

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 Not gonna work, one  doobie

Fri, 2017-04-21 09:49

 Not gonna work, one  doobie and they'll be falling out of the towers like flies lol

But then again they'll enjoy the different perspective 

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I was always perplexed at how

Thu, 2017-04-20 10:54

I was always perplexed at how commercial shark fishing was going to bring down GW numbers. Need to get the rec jaw/trophy hunters on the case if you wanna bring down numbers.

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 Completely missed the point

Thu, 2017-04-20 05:27

 Completely missed the point "again", read my re explanation "again". 

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 Marine boy what a load of

Thu, 2017-04-20 05:02

 Marine boy what a load of shit.....

 

True watermen LOL.........

 

Go you fucking Manmaid or whatever scaley shark whispering critter you are......

 

I'm not sure at what point i'll become a true waterman, please tell me how i'll know that i am a true waterman?

 

I grew up where i could literally jump the back fence and land on the sand until i was an 11yr old, Now i live about 6kms from the water which is the furtherest i've ever lived away from the ocean.... I've always played and worked on the water but there has never been a time where i enjoy my time in the water as little as i do now!!!

 

Maybe i'm a pussy or maybe you have 3 balls in that big badasss waterman sack of yours....

 

I'm not here offering any solution and this thread was to give condolences to that family that must be living a true nightmare right now....

 

All i will say is why is one shark given favouritism over ALL the other shark species?

 

Oh and Jim you've hit the nail on the head they need to be removed from the endangered species list!!

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Timboon

Thu, 2017-04-20 11:57

 you are a knob !

funny how you decide to gob off on this thread but when you were called for dropping in on someone and whiteanting them on a transducer bracket in the furuno thread a few weeks ago you stayed very quiet hmmmmm. 

I actually don't have big balls (although you must have two dicks because you couldn't be this stupid with just one) and respect the ocean and all it's creatures very much but I can work out the odds of actually getting taken by a shark and they are very minimal if not almost non exhistant, however it takes an iq of about 30 to tie shoelaces and you wear thongs so I highly doubt you have intelligence to work this out even using your toes.

carnarvonites post a few down from this is probably one of the most informed and intelligent things written in this thread so far and I suggest you get someone to read it to you. 

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Your a NOB

Thu, 2017-04-20 23:18

marineboy your a NOB and I don't mean a door KNOB like you described timboon. I'm sick of hearing your dribble. If it takes an iq of 30 to tie shoe laces then your fucked. You wouldn't even be smart enough to wear thongs

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Fri, 2017-04-21 09:09

 if you're gonna slag me off at least come up with something original !

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what do you mean by "one

Thu, 2017-04-20 12:20

what do you mean by "all I can say is why is one shark given favouritism over ALL the other shark species?"

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Horror

Thu, 2017-04-20 06:09

Its not so much that someone is killed by a shark its the thought of someone being eaten by one that horrifies everyone so much that they call for drastic measures to be taken.
How many are squashed by cattle, horses, stung by bees and spiders each year and die in comparison each year and we don't see the massive headlines in the media. As soon as they hear a whisper of something to do with a shark its like "hold the front page we have a shark story" then all the so called "experts" come out of the woodwork giving their two cents worth while those like Fisheries shark research haven't said a word.
When Ken Crews got bitten at Cottesloe years back , we had Rory McCauley one of the top shark scientist from Fisheries on board out from Hedland and 3 days before we would be in phone range. He was dreading the attention that was coming from the media with all asking the same question and coming up with their own solutions regardless of what he had to say.

A shark cull will do bugger all except waste taxpayers dough and appease the kill everything section of the public who think they know all but in fact know nothing, and that is my opinion!

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 My wife knows Rory quite

Thu, 2017-04-20 06:24

 My wife knows Rory quite well and says he does job more for the love of it than the pay which is a pittance to what he could get in the private sector. It's a shame they don't seek his opinion when something like this happens. 

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Thu, 2017-04-20 06:49

He is the "go to" man when something like this happens and maybe they didn't like his response to their questions or wasn't available this time.

We often had him and his staff aboard doing their research, tag and release, documenting what and where caught, taking samples etc , sometimes it seemed more like a 12-14 day holiday for them but the outcomes of the research is of great value.

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 Seen on facebook the other

Thu, 2017-04-20 07:37

 Seen on facebook the other day.

"people kill more people than sharks kill people, should we do a people cull?"

In responce to that,

"dont worry its coming soon. Korea will make sure of that" lol

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The big

Thu, 2017-04-20 07:44

 Shark masturbate :):). Same every year . No dought more to come. Some  good reading once again. :):)

 

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 DD 001 - what i meant was

Thu, 2017-04-20 17:58

 DD 001 - what i meant was how many thousand tonne/hundreds of thousands of whalers/gummys/schoolies/whiskeries etc etc etc get slayed every year but the fucking big old white is protected??

 

I dont get it....

 

Now to you Mermanboy,  As you and i have quite a bit to cover i'll be back after a couple of coldies to run through you're spectacular reply...

 

You're not Barneys son are you MermanBOY?

 

Ironic!!

 

Anyway i'm off to eat some firewood and i shall be back later.....

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OK no probs

Thu, 2017-04-20 18:59

Animals become "protected" when their numbers reach a critical low as to endanger the species.
Grey nurse sharks and speartooth sharks are another couple of sharks that are protected.

Bit like why Queensland Groper are endangered and protected and we are allowed to take pink snapper.

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Can't wait

Thu, 2017-04-20 19:51

 do us all a favour though and start a new thread so everyone can appreciate your drunken rant !

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Very sad for the family -

Thu, 2017-04-20 19:23

Very sad for the family - horrific for them to be there.

I can't understand why people see shark attacks as a government problem. It seems a bit nanny state to me - can we make the State safe for everybody all the time? And who pays?

I can understand some money spent to safeguard metro or small town swim-beaches on weekends or during summer, but making the entire coast safe for everybody, all the time, from the Abrolhos to Esperence, from inshore beaches to offshore dive spots and surf-breaks - really?

What would all the comments be if the government legislated surfer safety/shark study in the same way as for us boat fisherman?
I have to have an EPIRB if I go offshore more than a certain distance, a skippers ticket, and pay a Rec fishing boat licence to fund "fish study".
Perhaps they could have a Surfer's/Diver's licence to help fund shark safety, and make it compulsory for surfers to use a "registered board" with a mandatory user-paid-for shark-shield for all surfing activity away from patrolled beaches? Big fines from "board inspectors" who find people doing the wrong thing?
I think it would work better than "a cull", and it's a good match for how the government normally handles Health and safety issues, do you think the surfers would support it?

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It's a Govt problem because

Thu, 2017-04-20 19:32

It's a Govt problem because they have incorrectly made a prolific species a protected species and people are being eaten alive

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 I'm well aware of that but

Thu, 2017-04-20 19:21

 I'm well aware of that but we are talking about a shark that is CLEARLY not endangered.....

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 Now MermanBOY you 3 ball big

Thu, 2017-04-20 19:53

 Now MermanBOY you 3 ball big sack scaley shark whispering tree hugging road toll fearing apple farming WATERMAN..........

 

I've come back to "GOB" off......

 

Sorry i have been quiet Merman, I've been busy but now its your lucky fortnight because you have me morning and night....

 

Firstly I disagree with Canarvon, It is 100% that a shark has killed someone that gets up my goat and we do nothing about it, it has nothing to do with any Jaws movie thoughts.....

 

No sure if you get squashed by a steer, stung by a bee or kicked by a mule in that big old 3 ball sack of yours Manmaid you might not see it on the news because its not really news.... Crushed by a cow, well what happens to most livestock? Stung by a bee? Yeah the old thong you mention would sort him out, kicked in the 3 ball sack by a mule? Well you'd kick the fucker back now wouldnt you.... Actually maybe you wouldnt.... But i would....

 

So a dog bites your kid? What do you do Waterman? Put a flea collar on him and give him a scratch on the sack? I dont think so, cmon now you tell us what you'd do if an unprevoked dog bit one of your kids provided you've been out of the WATERMAN long enough to do the hokie pokie with that big old shiney sack of yours?? 

 

You just tell us mate what you would do if someones unprevoked dog bit your kid in front of you?

 

Hezzy has hit the nail on the head....

 

Canarvon if we have Rory the shark guru floating about then why has the shark situation got how it is in the north now?

 

I know there is a whaler up there that is endangered, but so what we allow everything else to get imbalanced to protect a single species?

 

I'm a hunter and a conservationist i try to see the bigger picture.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

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 Jeez Tim, you are going a

Thu, 2017-04-20 20:17

 Jeez Tim, you are going a bit silly now.
Rory is a scientist.

I also have taken him aboard while shark fishing.
Scientists do not make laws.

Politicians make laws.

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Have another beer timboon

Thu, 2017-04-20 20:39

if a dog killed my child and I knew which dog did it I would want it destroyed, but if my child got killed by a dog at the park and no one saw it and didn't know which dog did it I wouldn't want every dog in the neighbourhood destroyed.

Go away and come up with something valid and intelligent timboon.

Btw this site is called fishwrecked, I think you should join the site called pisswrecked probably more appropriate.

Night timboon, looking forward to the next two weeks :-) 

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 Its a bit disrespectful that

Thu, 2017-04-20 20:59

 Its a bit disrespectful that your using a thread about a poor girl whos life has been tragically cut short to supposedly get full of piss and slag off another member. There are otherways/threads to get your point across. Thats my two cents

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 I'm also well aware of who

Thu, 2017-04-20 20:45

 I'm also well aware of who makes the rules and regs Rob but where do they get their info from?

 

And upon re-reading my above i didnt mean to point the finger his way and blame him for the grey coats north of Kalbarri I just simply meant where is the common sense surrounding such issues and having a fella with knowledge like him why do we have IMO pretty glaring shitty fishing management decision that affect us all....

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 Im sure you are old enough

Thu, 2017-04-20 21:15

 Im sure you are old enough to know that politicians pick their direction from where it suits.
Science is only used if it suits, opinion polls otherwise

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Sharks North of Kalbarri

Fri, 2017-04-21 05:51

The area north of Steep Point through to NW Cape was declared a non shark fishing zone by professional fishermen as a breeding area and gazetted by the then Govt

The northern zone was closed down because of a huge reduction in the numbers of thickskins [sandbar whalers], whether this is from over fishing or a natural thing we will never know.

The Fisheries research get their info from doing trips on fishing vessels in the area, daily fish reports log sheets that all pros have to fish out and on the Fisheries research vessel Naturaliste that can carry out what ever type of fishing they need to get their samples.

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 Gee, I missed this thread

Fri, 2017-04-21 09:19

 Gee, I missed this thread being out of range for a week or so, but would have been a good popcorn session.

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 Merman and Rob90...... I

Fri, 2017-04-21 18:18

 Merman and Rob90......

 

I mentioned i'd go and have a couple of knock off beers after a long day in the sun and all of a sudden i've been clubbing on the vodka and redbull until 4 in the morning before coming back here to rant!!

 

I dont need to do that when people come here blowing smoke up their own ass, it makes it pretty easy to rant!

 

Rob, this thread is titled "Another Shark Attack"......

 

I have relatively staunch points of view on this topic as I've known 3 people taken never to be seen again, actually no its not even the fact that that has happened that has formed my views on this topic!! Anyway its not a thread specifically to pay condolences to the devestated family its a thread in an open forum that ALWAYS opens cans of worms....

 

I'm glad you clarified about the pooch Merman biting your kid, But what if there is a Landman out there that says you dont have the right to kill that poor Doggy and you arent even a true Landman enjoying this pristine land man..... What a load of wank.....

 

I hope like fuck Merman you dont keep any gummys, schoolies, wobbies, whalers etc etc I hope you kiss them with those big Merman lips of yours and you send them back to your ocean healthier than you pulled them out...

 

Say 5 years and another 10-20 people have been taken ( no point even calling it tragic if we are too fucking piss weak to do anything about it for we as a society must be accepting it ) what then???

 

And in another 15 years when things increase to say 3 a year??

 

Its a fucking joke to protect, whales, whites and seals and yet massive imbalances occur in the ocean because of fishing/over fishing....

 

I say keep the ocean balanced and we are the only ones that can control that...  Thin them out!!! 

 

Anyway i'm off to have a couple of coldies and get loose apparently....