busted big time
hi!! i need some help here and hope someone could give some insights..
it was my first time going crabbing with a few others. we went down to mandurah.. catching happily.. 6 of us catched approx 100 crabs. we didnt cared much.. thought that whatever we chatched, just put it on the bin first... as it was my first time i didnt know of any rules and license etc... we were still catching and chit chating.. didnt plan on leaving yet... so after some time.. the rangers came around to do some checks on our catchings.. and found that we had small and undersized crabs. i was shocked and the few others.. perhaps all of us were scared and nervous.. thinking that oh shit.. whats gonna happen to us.
so the rangers told us we have alot of under sized crabs... and we could be fined up to 10000 etc... and took all our crabs away..
happy and excited night turned out bad. really bad.
few weeks after, all of us received this fisheries infringement notice.. each of us receive 3 infringments. they are:
-s.46(b) FRMA - poss>b/limit tot/protect/fish cat 1 sp - $1000
-r.64L(1) FRMR - non-permitted means for taking crabs - $75
-s.50(3) FRMA - took > twice bag limit cat 1 fish - WARNING
we were at Len Howard Reserve, Mandurah.
can anyone please share your experience and please give some insights and advice on this. can we make an appeal or something or is there any way to reduce the fines??
can someone pls explain each of the infringements?
please help!
mrwinta
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I think you have gotten away
I think you have gotten away lightly- Rules are rules and they aren't hard to follow... Catch and size limmits are there for a reason (sustainability) and should be adhered to.
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big john
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Sorry piggie, ignorance is no excuse. Were they dead in the crate due to the time spent chit chatting?
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Paul_86
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Your in the wrong place if
Your in the wrong place if your looking for sympathy mate!
piggie
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nono dont get me wrong, i'm
nono dont get me wrong, i'm not ignoring but just mayb a way to get less fine? my friends didnt even mention anything bout that.
GGs
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I highly doubt you can
I highly doubt you can decrease the amount of the fine. They're in place for a reason and expensive to discourage people from doing the wrong thing.
Surely even for a first timer having approx 100 crabs seemed like to many?
Have a read of this http://fishwrecked.com/forum/well-well-well ...it doesnt matter who you are if your caught fishing illegally you should have the book thrown at you regardless.
Greens
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Troll?
Can't tell if massive Troll or not?
Rob H
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think so
think so
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
piggie
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i'm not sure.. i didnt
i'm not sure.. i didnt really do the catchings.. my friends did... i was chating away and text messaging actually. but we're in a group
dumper
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Fletch
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agree with Paul_86
and out of interest, what was your method of "non-permitted means for taking crabs"..?
There's signs up every where telling you the rules.
Sambo84
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RULES!!!!
doesnt matter what you target make sure you have your licenses and know the rules if not you take it on the chin mate
sea-kem
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Member for 18hrs, troll?
Member for 18hrs, troll?
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Fishing the swan for bream, it's just an obsession
Paully
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Spot on Andy
Brucesta
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massive troll for sure,
massive troll for sure, caught a few already.
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Willlo
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Pay the fine learn to read
Pay the fine learn to read ie rules and regs before you go,dont rely on others . Find spellcheck. Sympathy you will find between shit and syphilis ,happy crabbing,
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sea-kem
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Ha ha nicely summed up
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piggie
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sigh.. just have to pay the
sigh.. just have to pay the fines.
lachieH
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Yeah what was ur method of
Yeah what was ur method of crabbing? Surely u would have to had some prior knowledge to end up with 100 crabs. U sure u didn't know the rules or ur just saying u didn't...
Fishing the swan for bream, it's just an obsession
piggie
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i was just followign the
i was just followign the crowd. k mayb my friends knew.. but i dont know.
"non-permitted means for taking crabs" - does it mean that area are not allowed to catch crabs?
are there any limits of each person to take away the catched crabs? or can someone pls explain each of the infringements?
piggie
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cant make an appeal? we were
cant make an appeal? we were just catching and will filter out before we leave?
piggie
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the guys used something like
the guys used something like a net for fish i think... i'm not sure whats it called.
sarcasm0
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Why don't you call the contact number on the fine?
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Paul H
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As per your info - they told
As per your info - they told you fine could have been up to $10,000
- now you only received around 10% of that so would consider that getting off lightly.
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Hairyone
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Whata acacent is a that one
Whata acacent is a that one piggie? Sounds a bit a like Lebaneese/Italiano....LOL
Got to be a Troll surely!
Howard George
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Isn't There.
Isn't there a 15 minute rule that undersize crabs have to be returned to the water within 15 min.
chris raff
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5 minutes Howard
5 minutes Howard ..
http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/Species/Blue-Swimmer-Crabs/Pages/Blue-Swimmer-Crab-Recreational-Fishing.aspx
“Over the weekend we issued 14 $1000 fines, 25 other fines ranging between $75 and $200 and there were two matters so serious they will need to be prosecuted in court. In those cases, the alleged offences involved one person with 40 undersize crabs and the other matter involved a group in joint possession of 84 undersize crabs.
“Those people could face a court fine of up to $5,000, plus an additional mandatory penalty of $40 per crab, meaning potential penalties of $1,600 in one case and $3,360 per person in the other.”
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scotto
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here's an explanation of the infringements:
youre a dumb shit. youre mentality has no place here.
pay the fine, and tell your mates to do the same. be thankful it wasn't more, and they didn't confiscate your car, etc.
The Saint
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I'm confused........
(3) FRMA - took > twice bag limit cat 1 fish - WARNING
I'm confused........
Does this mean you only got a warning for taking more than twice the bag limit of cat 1 fish ?
While crabbing in the estuary ?
WOW !
jighead
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Lucky
Your lucky alright. Lucky some of the locals didn't find you first that is.
Snags
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Well next time you wont be
Well next time you wont be such a piggie then
meglodon
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I think you have got of lightly
As has been said above, you are lucky you didn't get caught by some of the locals and your car didn't end up as an artificial reef.
Auslobster
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Real worry, this.
How many more little "piggies" out there?
Starbug
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the $1000 is for taking
the $1000 is for taking totally protected fish (undersized/in berry)
Maximum fine is up to $5000
$70 for illegal fishing methods.
Warning for exceeding bag limit.
You could dispute this in court, but if you lose, and there is every chance you will, the cost will be much higher.
Jackfrost80
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Suck shit is all I can say
Suck shit is all I can say
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
tangles
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no excuse
no excuse you can give will make you think your right!
When you get yr licence yr given a book with everything explained!
Sheetif you did that up here n got caught by us fisheries woulda been the last thing to worry about!
Relic
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And that is the reason why
And that is the reason why the ocean is slowing being killed off, pure greed and ignorance. 100 crabs? shameful.
I think Piggie and his mates should find another hobby
grantarctic1
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The punishment
The punishment should fit the crime. If you are trolling it gave me a laugh, If you are serious I'm still laughing.
sea-kem
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Ha ha Jesus Grant where do
Ha ha Jesus Grant where do you dig this stuff up from?
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choc
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I went out on the weekend
I went out on the weekend and caught four 20cm dhufish, this counts as a sized one doesn't it because it adds up to over 50cm of dhufish?
I'm not sure on the rules but I assume it is a combined catch that you add together?
derek
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If they have access to this
If they have access to this page they have access to all the rules and regs, no excuses
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yes
This is a legit thread, verified.
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sea-kem
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If that's the case Adam,
If that's the case Adam, then he's an idiot! To be so naive of rules and regs and then to come on here and complain and ask for guidance smacks of an IQ of about 5. Seriously it's everyone's obligation to ensure you have an understanding of the basic rules and regs before setting out and catchings (sic) 100 approx crabs. If it was a young fella genuinely interested in being informed before setting out, I'd be the first to help.
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paulsmez
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I hope this is a wind up
If not, the human race is doomed. Morons.
groverwa
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If this "person" is telling
If this "person" is telling the truth then it explains why the crab and fish professional lady from Mandurah who I was
talking to a few weeks ago is so upset.
It seems that it is not only certain ethnic groups but is across many nationalities including aussies.
Aaron_Moses95
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Considering this post is
Considering this post is legit, this is the kind of stuff that really gets on my nerves. Claiming ignorance is no excuse. I moved here from another country at a young age and the first time my dad took me out fishing we ,made sure we knew the rules regarding size and bag limits for fish we were likely to catch. If we caught something we didnt recognise i went back in the drink regardless of size. No point coming here to look for sympathy, because the fine is bugger all, like a slap on the wrist consider yourself very lucky mate. Out of those approx. 100 crabs i wouldnt want to know how many were females or undersize, this is an utter disgrace. Next we will have some clown on here posting about how they got caught with 80 herring between the two of them and wondering what the were doing wrong. If u fish, its your responsibility to make sure u know the rules and regulations, along with the associated consequences if u break the rules.
Rant over
Rob H
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should have gone mugging
should have gone mugging grannies or breaking into houses instead.
Usually get off with a warning the first few times....
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
getting bites
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Do your research before you
Do your research before you go. Know the regulations and catch limits. Suck it up and pay the fine, you shouldnt have been so greedy and ignorant. That fine is bugger all you should've been fined more in my opinion, ignorance is no excuse. 6 of you guys crabbing and not one of you knew the regulations? No sympathy here. Reading and seeing this kind of shit really gets my blood boiling.
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moose hunter
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Hey fisheries
Hey Fisheries with that many crabs how about chucking in "intent to sell" as well
perth fisher
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this guy really got off
this guy really got off lightly....
Ryan C
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Enjoy
the shit sandwich bud , you earned it .
Brock O
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Can i ask
your age Crab Pig ?
Edit: Moderated post.
mark64
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you iz on full retard piggy
you iz on full retard piggy
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Griffo84
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Well you won't do that again
Well you won't do that again will ya Piggie? I'm glad the fisheries stopped you as the blue manna crab is an icon to mandurah and it needs to be treated with respect. I have a feeling you didn't even have a fishing license....$1000+ fine is alot of money but highlights the seriousness of the incident. Could easily have been a heavier fine. Make sure you and your mates learn from it and move on.
Do the right thing and there will be fish tomorrow.
oneh
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i was fined once. lession
i was fined once. lession learnt and never again
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Timmo
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Can I add to it
You all should have taken the right "Precorshens"
Piggy
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Bad Name
gives guys with the nickname "piggy" a bad rep!!
pay the fine, delete your account! Only enough room for 1 piggy!! (There's room for more if they follow rules... Hahaha)
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S.Cotchin
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well said Piggy 1 I don't
well said Piggy 1
I don't think there is room for 2 piggies
especially this little piggy
someone take him swimming with concrete boots on his feet..
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Timwoody86
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your lucky the fisheries got you and not the local boys.
hahah you would of had to pay more than a grand to get ya Asian face fixed hahahah
shut up and fish