Commercial Fisherman in sound
Submitted by Gunner966 on Fri, 2016-12-09 09:45
Hey Guy's
was just taking a boat for run Wednesday and noticed a approx 23ft Dark Blue ali with a Ali windscreen / spray deflector with LBF numbers coming I to Cockburn Power boat club. It looks like the snapper fisherman who used to work the sound.
does anyone know what he fishes for?
Gunner
Rob H
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While I am well known as a
While I am well known as a staunch defender of professional fishermen, Im not sure that argument entirely stands up Ranmar.
Lobster quantities are caught professionally in quantities 10 times what the local market would purchase yet look at the price.
Outside influences (foriegn markets) weigh heavily on the price, not just local politics and policies.
However as pointed out, not only are we a net imported of seafood but soon we will also be importing gas.
We do need to be very careful that foreign interests are not permitted to by cray licences.
Imagine if China owned every commercial cray licence, trying to lobby for a rec share....
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little johnny
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Went to Xmas function
Other night( wife's). Noticed on menu fresh local dhuefish. $49.95 a peice with garden salad . People on next table to us ordered it. Far out it was a tiny tiny fillet. Couldn't believe how pricey it is in restaurants .
sea-kem
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Yeah that's pricey Johnny
Yeah that's pricey Johnny but to be expected at a restaurant, you can get a 500gm Ribeye at Fibber Magees for $48 which I'll be having on Sat night
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meglodon
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Snow crabs and other deep sea crabs
From what I have been told all the deep sea crabs caught of the coast are exported overseas because the local market is not big enough to warrant trying to sell expensive sea food too, mind you seeing local crays at $90 a kilo makes me ask myself just what is expensive sea food now.
little johnny
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Boy just showed
Me picture gero Crays $93 a kilo. And an artical saying how the market is flooded . And pros only getting $50 a kilo.?? Noticed Crays in picture missing heaps of legs. 2 nd grade roaches no dought
hezzy
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johnny there talking about
johnny there talking about the overseas market price mate
there is lots of local cray pros who either stopped fishing or at least slowed due to the low export price ....and as rob h pointed out that doesnt affect the local beach price here . it remains sky hiogh
if the rock lobster commercials sold their TAC locally the market would be flooded locally and you would be buying this seasons crays for about $6 each or less
their geared up for high returns , so there better of not fishing than selling locally to weaken the brand and lower the return to them
the ones with high debt need high returns , the others who have been in the game for ages , can afford to stop fishing and wait it out, restrict the supply till the price goes up again
either way wa local consumers who own the resource & who want to purchase wa crays can only do so at top prices .......that imo does not bode well for the commercial sector ...it would be good if they got onboard asolution to live up to why they have the licences in the first place ..... ie to catch and supply the local public that own the resource but cant /dont or wont catch theri own
fire away at will lol
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Geez , Hezzy that could be
Geez , Hezzy that could be construed as market manipulation ..
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little johnny
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Okay
Better understanding now. Cheers
meglodon
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I don't know if I have the wrong end of the stick
The place I saw crays for sale at $90 a kilo was at a prominent fish and chip shop in the Fremantle fishing boat harbour.
So it wasn't and export price that's what was the local price, now as I have stated above I am not sure if I'm reading you right when you say that's the over seas market price, meaning that's the price you would pay in asia for instance.
hezzy
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yes meg, correct the local
yes meg, correct the local sale price in wa is sky high because of the small amount of crays that get leaked onto the wa market
most comms sell to the asian market to get the higher price , as they have knowingly signed on to lease or buy at the high price with the mind set to sell all their catch overseas
when that market dips , they shut down here if they can and stop catching untill it goes up again,,, restrict supply and demand drives the price up again..on the asian market , here locally its just always high as there not available , and again , that reduces demand from retailers, as customers wont pay that super high price .... circle of life stuff
this is why the comm cray boys wanted a year round fishing season it helps even out there dollars and smooths the supply and demand , trickling , fresh live crays onto the asian market all the time , rather than a dump when the whites run and then a cut off at the end of june under the old system ..now they can catch and sell their quota when if benefits them the most ..... better all round , except the wa public who dont fish , really dont get fair access to afeed of wa crays .their almost priced out of the market
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Well said Hezzy. agree with
Well said Hezzy. agree with all except the "ALMOST priced out of the market" bit
little johnny
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Think he means
That's what the pro gets. Not sale price overseas
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Sounds like being a pro in
Sounds like being a pro in business is like any other business, getting paid, paying tax, balancing books, finding work, dealing with employees and for me the last year being in a business recession. And some people balk at your prices when you give them a real price, thye forget what the overheads are even for a small workshop like mine.
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timboon
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You hit the nail on the head
You hit the nail on the head Hezzy, All my mates in the southern zone SA just stop fishing ( crays ) and wait for the price to get back to the 80-90 bucks they all have now come to expect earning their $600 - $1,000,000 for the 3 months it takes them to catch the quota... Not a bad earn for a harvest based only fishery...
Chris Raff - I agree with what you are saying and thats one thing that really pisses me is access the average punter has to our australian resources...
Imagine if we couldnt afford lamb and it was all going to the arabs for $90kg, uproar? or would it be ok because we can all eat some rank old Billy goat that Little Johnny has .308'ed.....
Ranmar you raise another valid point.... By catch within the cray industry - Should we accept that the 500 odd ( plucking a figure here, help me out Rob H? ) catch a certain amount of Demersals that end up shark food... I dont agree with them bringing in the by-catch as i agree with the above, the grey area and its too easy for the few to rought it and catch ( enter per kg/ a day here )
The SA cray fishos still today get cash for the occys, that used to be decky money until the price went to $20odd/kg and they are catching up to 30kg/day. Not a bad earner...
Perhaps the pot design can change, engineer the by-catch out as they've done for turtles within the prawn industry ( well at least tried to ), No doubt a newish style pot might not catch exactly as it does now but if it prevents by-catch thats a good thing imo -
hezzy
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timboon , you also have
timboon , you also have touched on the key reason commercial licences where issued by the gov and brought in
that is to enable the australian public to have access to a resource the public themsleves own , but choose not to catch themselves and to regulate harvest and supply to that market
over time however export has been developed and supply to the export market now takes precedent over the australian public supply , all licences , pots etc have all gone up in price as they now also reflect the cost & value of supply to that market
while the locals are left priced out of a cray supply generally
another thing to bear in mind with majority of seafood harvest , the harvester , commercial operator does not have to buy , breed or in any way realy invest in producing that seafood animal or product he takes to sell and make a business out of
most livestock producers have to do that , in seafood , nature does it
fisheries regs are tough on them , but they have to be as over time self regulation has not worked well in the main when money can be made from fishing a resource
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D_d_001
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posted this in the other commercial thread any answers here ?
Please correct me if Im wrong but a while ago word was that a small increase in quota was going to be granted and that that part of the catch was going to be put aside only to be sold to the WA market ???
has that happened and this is an extra step or is this the compromise?
Rob H
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Not yet
That has not happened yet, it has been proposed and being looked at.
There are many aspects to the proposal which arent obvious on the surface which I see.
One is, just like with the baby formulae thing, what is to stop anyone (Chinese?) going around and buying them up at half price, packing them up and sending overseas.
Remember that the retail price here is astronomical at $90kg and the fishermen get around $70 so if a group can whizz around buying them up at say $45, get together a 1000kg and sell them in China at $90, there is $45000 profit.
Airfreight was $5kg when we were exporting including packaging, maybe a bit more now.
And on the face of it, it wouldnt be illegal as they are NOT recreationally caught lobster so can be couriered if you have a receipt.
It is also not entirely clear about possession limits as it used to state that "you may be required to produce a receipt" to prove they arent recreational catch.
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D_d_001
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Cheers. shame it hasn't been
Cheers. shame it hasn't been worked out yet....some good points Rob. I do think this would be a better way of bringing the local price down though and keeping the masses happier.
would likely need laws inplace to prevent situations like you describe above....there will always be people who will try to rort the system.
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Not really rorting the
Not really rorting the system if it's legal.
And some things are only still legal because nobody's done anything to make it illegal yet. Haha
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Rob H
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for sure, definitely.But
for sure, definitely.
But just like the baby formula stuff it defeats the purpose.
You'd also need to maybe force restaurants to be selling them cheaper rather than just profitting more, not sure how you could do that.
Im only showing though, that it isnt always as simple as it seems
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.