Must come with attachable 20kg Spanish Mackrel powder, just add water and it turns into a fully sick (young'n talk) jumping, line burning, live fish ready to be brought in and dispatched to the freezer.

I reckon that would sell.

But seriously, I would like a bit more trolling speed subsurface as that is always a limiting factor in travelling between spots.

Secondly I would like to try a composite hard head / soft tail type lure that can handle speed but still gives you realistic flutter and allows the bite to be natural. I also prefer the twin hooks over the trebles as they are easier to remove from the fishes gob. (or your hand).

I have made up about 10 prototype herring lures that I have pics of, which may or may not find themselves in an article at some stage in the future (so I shouldn't really post them up as yet), so if you give me your e-mail address via a pm I'll send you some picks of them. I've tested a couple and they do work. You might get some ideas from them. Though I warn you they are just me tinkering in the shed is all.

I hear you indeed, that was my first thought - very frustrating with deep divers etc that don't like more than 5.5 knots or so before they go belly up and swim to the top!

Specialy when the tuna are feeding into the wind at 6.5 or 7 knots and you can't catch up without winding in your lure spread and speeding up then redeploying in front of them and cutting across etc!

We invariably end up with metal Halco twisties, and Raider jigs for that very reason - speed to intercept schools with lures that will stay down on the journey!!

Weed defelector - what a seriously good idea! (Two thumbs up!)

Maybe some kind of water activated "water jet turbine prop" at the front that acts like rope cutters on a prop and slices it's way straight thru weed!!!

Composite hard head replaceable soft tail is also on the list!

Twin hooks duly noted!

Pm commin!

Cheers!

I take it you guys haven't tried Richter lures? They have metal jet heads which can get your skirt down as far as you need and can still be trolled at high speed. Have read lots on twin hooks v singles and it really comes down to personal choice. I do think it would help hookup rates, but have been told the opposite as well along with being another hook to get in the hand when the fish is boatside.

A weed deflector.... mmm.. hows this one going to work? If you could figure a way to do it, say you'd do well selling them!

If you can develop a weed free lure then bring it on that is the way to a small fortune I is thinking

About Andy's idea of Hard head/ soft tail minnow......there's already one. Its a Japanese Bass lure, the Jackall Bros Mask minnow and Mask Vib lipless crankbait. Trick is to implement the design to trolling lures where there's a high chance some toothy bitch will shred it.

Hmm.......Snapback tails and Rapala CD magnum........

http://www.plat.co.jp/english/bass/jackall/top.htm

I'm sure that marriage of technologys will happen inlure making!
As Honsu correctly points out there are already such lures type available!
I well recall "lure testing" for Steve Badman (Of Badman Jigs fame) a bass coathanger style offshore pelagics lure some years back with the full chromed head, coathanger spinner with streamer tail and soft plastic body up at the Abrolhos Islands! ;o)

There is always someone looking for an edge in how to catch fish and there will always be days when you couldnt BUY a fish (even at Sealanes) let alone catch one (Had one a them days yesterday!)
even if you had the ultimate all round worlds best lure!!

That said we should still keep striving for improvements and I'm interested in having a go to see what "knowedge and technologies can be incorporated into lures using new manufacturing and computer aided design technologies!

It's my observation that occasionally we get lovelly weather at sea at night time (if it werent for all the damn craypot ropes and floats out there to run over in the dark...don't get me started on that one new trasnducer later!) and that we don't manage to troll very well for fish after dark or even after the sun gets below 10 Degrees of the horizon and refracted light disappears!

Lures predominanly are designed around visual perception - with contrasts etc - bubble trails and more lately ball bearing rattles for sound etc - but how many of the fishes other senses are NOT activated by lures and how well do they see, hear, feel, and taste the lures, we create & use, at night time for example when refracted light is absent?

Couldn't we incorporate more features into lures like infrared and Ultra violet light as well as the visible spectrum because some fish unquestionably have vision well outside the human visible light range to incororate thiose wavelengths!

Couldn't lures emit scent to trigger olfactory feeding responses?

I believe anglers are well placed to start providing ideas they'd like to see incorporated into lures!

We are a bright enough bunch to know what we want or don't!

Lure manufacturers stay in business because their lures catch fishermen, (at the tackle shop) just as much as they might catch the occasional fish!!

I personally think it might be nice to see more effort put into designing & manufacturing lures that appeal more to fish than fishermen! Surely demand will follow if lures atually work better on fish?

Not saying they don't work now - but can't they work better?

Now if we could just get the fish to play ball and not be so damn hard to catch on some days!!!

Cheers!

http://www.fishingkaki.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17759

Absolutely amazing technology!
Hard to believe!
Wasn't able to read the text tho - and my Japanese is pretty rusty!
All the same a picture tells 1000 words!

Cheers and thanks for the headsup!

How about a lure that just goes around in circles like a fish that is injured (battery powered) you just cast it out while you are bottom bouncing and it looks like a sick fish on the surface. Travels on it's side like the one in Kasey's link. Emits a vibration that is tuned to the same vibrations that a real dying fish emits.

Hows that for a wild idea that probably won't work! (Heheheheh)

What about a lure that dives in and out of the water like a fleeting baitfish. Physically must jump out and back in at speed, just like a fleeting baitfish does. Some serious bib development required to achieve that though.

Food for thought. I'd buy one just to see it in action.

Andy excellent idea's - I've had the idea of a flying fish lure myself kicking around for some time - course depending on how far it flies (some of the real ones can go amazingly long distances) - one might be designing a plane more than a lure! ;o)

I suspect the flying fish probably end up fish tucker on a large scale for pelagics..

My luck the lure would spend so much time outta the water the birds would get it! he he he - imagine the end of a day's tally!

0 fish
2 Skua's
1 Albatross
3 seagulls
16 sooty terns
1 sea eagle
454 cormorants (shags!)

Oh well, at least cray bait would be no problem! ;o) (Joking of course you PC PETA greenie types)! :rollseyes: (Does PETA really stand for People Eating Tasty Animals)? ;o) LOL LOL

I do like the wounded fish idea, but do we really need a lure for that, while anchored up fishing - or do we just throw a live herring over the side with a hook thru it's back?

I'm thinking along the lines of "trolling / casting lures" I guess??

Remember - mass market appeal at an affordable price!

Think of the metal Halco Twistie - isn't that the cheap heavey casting fish catching lure to end all lures that basically set HALCO up, to be the successful lure manufacturing co it is today?

I know I used to buy halco metal slices as a kid 30+ years ago!
Kids and I still carry a handfull in various sizes colours as a matter of course these days..

Wonder wobbler spoon lure another case in point!

Thats the type of lure you need to be successful in marketing a new lure these days against the competiton - something affordable with mass apeal that catches fish from the beach, rocks, or trolled behind the boat!

Bit of a all rounder I guess!
It just needs to do a little more than your old slice, in terms of incorporating what we learned about fish in the interveining 30 years and new tchnology IMHO!

Kind of a Twistie 30 year birthday revamp...
Twistie with a wiggle tail?
Twistie with circle hooks?

Ok if your not a Twistie fan, what about Cheezels? (all ways thinkin of my tummy!) ;o)

Sooo, back at the drawing board..I was reading about a russian torpedo that does something like 300 mph underwater by using a flat face that creates a supercavitation bubble that envelopes the torpedo and reduces / removes all water friction / drag, with compressed air fed to the front face to keep the air bubble in place for the duration of the torpedo's travel to target!

Supercavitating lure... - why not? (I did say this would be a fast lure didn't I)? ;o)

Conventional torpedoes travel at 35-45 knots; the fastest western weapon, Britain's 'Spearfish,' hits 75 knots. All struggle against water resistance. By contrast, the air bubble from super-cavitation that envelops 'Squall' almost totally eliminates friction with water, permitting enormous speed. The only part of 'Squall' that actually touches water is its nose.

http://www.periscope.ucg.com/mdb-smpl/weapons/minetorp/torpedo/w0004768.shtml

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/4/23/220813.shtml

http://diodon349.com/Kursk-Memorial/Warpdrive_underwater.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/shkval.htm

http://www.subsim.com/ssr/page33.html

So some sort of air enveloping technology???

All just grist to the mill! ;o)

Still like the idea of cheezles myself! he he he!

Cheers!

That's an amazing technological advancement, not just increasing speed by a few knots but absolutely smashing it with something completely lateral. I think a gas bottle with a pin prick in the front would be the closest you could get without spending the Australian GDP on it.

Retro lures could also include the old Assassin and Coffin lures I used to chuck off the North Mole for Bonito in the 70's (showing my age there).