Dropper loops breaking
Submitted by dale 308 on Sat, 2020-10-17 16:39
Hi all ive always seem too be having issues with dropper loops on paternoster rigs i use 80lb blackmagic leader but if i hook a half decent fish it always seems too break at the bottom dropper i have switched to crane 3ways and they work but they do have there disadvantages take longer too tie more knots. Unsure if its my knot skills or leader choice if i go heavier leader i seem too hook less fish.
My pb snap on the bottom meat coupla weeks back 93cm
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Faulkner Family
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Had the same prob with black
Had the same prob with black magic . I now gone with the 3 way swivels. Yeah they take longer but for peace of mind it's worth it .
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sea-kem
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I wouldn't be using anything
I wouldn't be using anything less than 100lb metro and always use 200lb up north never have any issues. And always use BM leader never had a problem. Plenty of spit when tying.
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scubafish
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Just up scale the line class
Just up scale the line class F/ carbon line hook to swivel .
Just a suggestion, what i use.
http://img.gg/59TjzFz
https://www.animatedknots.com/dropper-loop-knot
Also do pre rigs and put them in a glad samwich bags marked ,dhu, whitting etc.
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carnarvonite
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Knot
What knot are you using to tie your dropper loop
dano83
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I've found black magic to
I've found black magic to have shit batches or if it's been left in the sun it snaps easily too I use 60-80 and sometimes they snap as you say but majority of time it's good
donnyboat
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drpper loops breaking
I was using black magic 130 Lbs, as soon as I hooked a fish maybe over 7 kg it wood brake, so dont use it anymore, cheers Don.
Feral
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What knot are you using to
What knot are you using to make your dropper? And what lb main line and drag setting?.. Using 3 way swivels is easier and much quicker if you crimp everything. A bag of 1000 crimps cost bugger all and makes the rig very clean and fast to make
dodgy
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I use black magic and can't
I use black magic and can't say I remember any issues. My bottom rigs are tied with twisted dropper loops. A bit of spit to lubricate the knots as you pull it tight.
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luke george
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Dropper loops are a weak knot
Dropper loops are a weak knot in general, I believe they're lucky to hold to around 40% of the lines breaking strain. 3 ways swivels all the way, use crimps to speed up the time it takes to make them
sea-kem
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Just curious what brand of
Just curious what brand of three ways you use Luke? I use tied droppers as they're pretty easy and quick to tie but might look at doing a few up with crimps when off over Xmas this year, always plenty of time waiting for the wind to drop lol.
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luke george
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Same as LJ, shogun. Around
Same as LJ, shogun. Around 2/0-4/0
little johnny
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130 lb
Shogun swivel on swivel.100 lb where I loop lead on . 100 lb whiplash with 130 lb shock leader ( fg knot)
scano
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Maybe
Easier to lookup rig master tackle. They sell pre tied twisted paternoster rigs cheap as chips if you buy a few of them. I bought some years ago when heading noth bottom
bashing, and never had an issue. They come down to like $1 per rig if you buy about 100 of them, and to be honest you would struggle to buy the leader for that, let alone your time tying them too.
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Will check that out Scano.
Will check that out Scano.
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sunshine
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And their gummy sl8der rigs are brilliant
All I use when chasing them and the top hook slides to fit any sized bait you want to use
little johnny
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I now use one from Taylor’s
Marine Cockburn . Always used black magic 130 prior . $20 plus dollars for small spool. One with yacht picture on it from Taylor’s . 500 m for around $25 no brainer in my books . 130 pound, firm holds out well ( from dropper line) . Holds any knots.
little johnny
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3 yachts I think
It’s called. Also buy swivel on swivels dirt cheap in packs of 100 . ( shogun type) bigger and heavey duty if you like going overboard
sunshine
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Yup they are brilliant
Would never use anything else now....bloody brilliant tip LJ and ditto the trace....tough as but knots really well
West Coast
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Breaking...
If you are breaking your paternoster rigs....i reckon you have had a double header. It was happening to me, particularly eveident after getting cleaned up by sambo's a couple of times. You feel the fish get considerably lighter and then get the fish back minus half the rig. They pull the rig apart. Reckon I have lost good dhuies like that too. I went up to 120lb leader and seems to have fixed the problem.
sea-kem
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And that's the trick imo,
And that's the trick imo, heavier leader doesn't scare the fish off. That was the problem with my first ever trip to Gnaraloo, getting smoked by good fish until a forum member suggested aln elephant gun approach with the leader and haven't looked back.Just the phucken sharks now.
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tot
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Yeah fishing in the NW
I will knock up a heavy rig with 3 ways and find i only have to replace the odd line to the hook.
One main rig can last a whole trip if you use heavy line for the body of the rig.
Of course sharks and mackies can fuck you up with that..
Metro I have tried the same but found big Dhue's to cut the line to the hook in the gill rakers.
Evidence was when on a second drift deckie landed the 17keg'r with my hook back in there.
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Tim
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Double
Double headers is why we stopped using that set up. Found it would create a scissor type actio pulling from both ways and snap you off.
Had it happen a few times so changed to crane swivels
little johnny
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Had same
On big doubles on dhue boys . 50/50 if you get both up . Horrible feeling :)
Jackalchub
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When fishing bait, Run a
When fishing bait, Run a snelled 80lb BM fluorocarbon rig with a 3 way swivel. It won't break or rub through.. very tough. fluoro has is the key