Long range, over-night charters to the tuna and broadbill schools off the edge of the shelf.

There is a thought over nighters way out wide throwing big stick baits at big tuna. Are there big tuna schools out there though?

you guys go out on some of the better metro charters ie. Shikari, Saltwater etc. or even head up to Jurien and go out with Whitey and see what they do to get and idea of the 'benchmark' that you guys have to reach?

good advice Matt, its a tough, expensive game and peoples "wants, expectations and wallet" rarely align resulting in adverse posts on various forums as we have all seen.
Pretty well all the charter operators I know have kicked off with the same intentions but reality and the bank are hard taskmasters.

bbq lunch how hard is it to throw a few snags on the bbq and wrap em in bread

 All great ideas people keep them coming and thanks for the comment! And mustang we have the BBQ and will never go out without providing lunch!

can i book a spot onya first trip out

flash as where do u buy all ya plasterboard and ya muds from

 Mate how about a charter that is out for the whole day not heading in at lunch time it seems every time I've been on a charter you spend more time traveling to and between spots that you only ever get what seems like a few drifts and your heading back in. I understand that it takes time to get places as I have a boat and often fish out wide but more fishing time I believe will be a good plus for a charter.

but speaking as a woman, I would like to see tiolets on the boat (I assume you'd have them)  As in mixed company trying to pee in a bucket and have some privacy would go down a long way. 

Don't like loud music while fishing as I come to fish and get away from the noises of suburba hahahah.  Think a bbq is a good idea.  I wouldn't build the bbq snaggers into the price, let it be a freebie for chartering your spot on the boat.  Some good out fashioned business ethics are what people want.

My son in law went on a couple of charters and brought his own gear, some loaned from old fart as well.  What pissed him off was the decky cut his line and 3 peoples line as they all got tangled (they fished on top of him as he was catching snapper)  now the braid was expensive and he wasn't a happy chappie especially at the depth they were fishing, plus the line wasn't retrieved which also .

 Just wondering, every charter I've been on does small drifts over lumps, then line comes up, takes a fair while to get another spot then lines in for another short drift and so on. I think too much emphasis is placed on people wanting quality table fish. More often than not my best days fishing happen when I finish out deep then anchor closer in and start burleying  at some of my shallower spots. I've taken many people on my boat that have never fished on a boat before, they have a blast catching good skippy, snapper, king George, sambos and sometimes dhuies on lighter gear. Maybe mix it up a little on the styles of fishing. 

Many of the people that complain about charters is how they don't get enough time to fish as they spend most of the day travelling. Some charters I've been on, some people don't even get to feel a bite. 

 The last charter I went on, we motored around for three hours and only fished for one (split into three x 20 minute segments. The whole boat (10 people) caught 4 fish.

The skipper and Dickie both said that it would be shit for another two weeks, but it still didn't stop them charging like a bull knowing full well that the fishing wasn't going to be good.

The charter before that was 1hour and we picked up three sharks. I shouldn't really call it a charter, rather a bloke took us out for a quick fish before his charter started. 

Very hard to please every one on a charter. Just offer good friendly service and the punters will come back.

I havn't been on a charter boat from Perth for years, my last experience was stressfull and pissed me off. To get on a boat skippered by a rude ,hungover grumpy old seadog is not good for business. Then to be treated like shit by a skinny toothles meth head deckie , makes for a most unpleasant trip.

Of coarse not all charters are like that, but one bad experience can damage the reputation of any business and it certainly made me never want to go again.

On a side note,(if I ever went again) i would pay extra to have less people on the boat, fishing side by side with 20+ others is not a fun day for most, but i understand the need to fill spots on deck to make a profit, it would be a hard business to manage ,some days i'm sure the boat would take a loss.

 Yeah get rid of the bbq and just offer a sanga. If I was out on a charter all I'd want to do is fish. And as Grant says offer more expensive less people trips as well as full boat charters. And yep be pleasant, I can't stand know it all deckies and skippers you will get your naive punters but a lot of guys going out know their stuff too.  Good luck with it. Starting a business any business isn't easy but if you give good service word of mouth will get around.

Never like shoulder to shoulder fishing but fisho's onboard is money in the bank. So it's a balancing act off how many people how far out your heading (fuel cost) types of rod and reels and how much bait and what quality bait you provide.

If fisho's bring their own rod and reel especially if braid get them to fish right at the stern or on the bow.

Have a plan for the day according to spots to target and weather conditions. And tell the punters what your plans are within reason.

Got to have a good supply of bait and descent quality. Nothing worse than deckie saying half way through the day bait stocks are low so all "shit" fish will be kept for bait. Not that a fresh fillet doesn't go astray.

Be ready to leave the dock and not stuff around for ages before lines away. Lines away at about 6.30am. Don't start heading back in till about 3.00pm. that's allowing for being back dockside about 4.30-5.00pm. A good length of time on the water.

Lunch I don't mind either way aslong as your ounters know when booking tickets.

Maybe as suggested earlier offer a once a month special trip either deep drop or overnighter there's fisho's out there who will pay the extra for such experiences.

Good clean dunny witn dry snap wrap. No spewing in the dunny either don't need to waste good burley.

As for fishing combos i perfer to bring my own. Don't go with cheap setups the good old Alvey is basic enough for novices and some eggbeaters for the more experienced. I'd stay clear of overhaeds unless you've got a fisho who knows wht their doing.

Good Luck. what ya going to call the charter.

Wes you said exactly what I was going to say without typeing it

Good luck with the new charter hope it goes well and as Wes said whats the charter going to be called

 Hi there people my name is Drew Clowes and have just purchased jazz charters and jazz4 a purpose built 53 foot west coaster . Although the charter company has been operating in perth for 20 years the previous owner isn't a fan of fishing and has built the business mainly around the River cruise and corporate event style events. 

But things are about to change a bit with a keen fisho at the wheel and a business to grow and pay for,in saying that the business can't do that unless it understands what the customer wants an is happy with there experience at the end of the day.

Happy to say there is two toilets and it won't be overcrowded as I want people to catch fish and fish all day, haven't had a day out for as long as I can remember that I've come back without fish in perth and hope to continue this trend going forth in my latest venture.

Will be at the helm inside 2 weeks and you can book thru jazz charters on the web look forward to meeting fellow fishos and taking them out for a trip to remember.

Tight lines

been to the monty s twice on the "vagrant" speak to to the skipper he does every thing well , been over to the montys with another skipper and it was a night mare trip ( not the weather , the skipper decky and paying customers all clashing with the skipper and we were there for 5 days) who the f;;; makes the paying customers swim all their gear in to the beach at the montys from 50 meters of shore and I mean things like sleeping bags clothes bqq and gas bottles some of us did that trip from his boat to shore 5 times I will never forget it or forgive him and he is still operating these days

I hope it goes well for you guys, but having been at sea pretty much all my working life in most industries, I hope it goes well employing your best mate.
Flash as didn't say if he has worked as a decky before, so I'll be devils advocate here briefly
A vessel at sea relies on a hierarchy by its very nature and it will take a strong friendship to do that and then be on an equal footing away from work.
You guys will need to be very clear about what the roles aboard entail or a friendship can sour quickly.

A lot of people have the romantic idea that being a decky on a charter (or commercial fishing) boat means going fishing all day-awesome!
Reality bites hard when it turns out that its all about untangling rigs, chopping bait, filleting fish, scrubbing, cleaning up punters spew and dealing with the odd drunken asshole-all while feeling dodgy yourself and listening to people complaining about how they've only got one wrasse etc-politely.

Then when everyone goes home, more cleaning, preparing bait and gear, scrubbing and servicing engines.

Did the company originally belong to a bloke named Geoff, with a v-drive boat called Jazz II? If so he was working around Coral Bay mid 90's when I was there, maybe a coincidence?

 Can't see why a tender couldn't be used in this instance seems a bit unorganised for my liking needless to say none of those things will happen on the Jazz4. Will be doing abrolhos ilands in winter and there are plenty of beds ondoard. 

 I hear you Rob been working on the water on and off for 20 years but he's a good bloke and a keen fisho. it is early days for the fishing part of the business and won't take long to find out if he's up to the task. And if he can take direction. he does ok on my personal boat , only time will tell.

 Cheers Rob. 

With all this free advertising does that mean you will become a site sponsor?

 Id give them a break, they havent offered anything and have a hard road ahead to get established and accepted as a charter fish operator.

and there are no site sponsors he is going to be competing against.

Incidentally i cant see Lucky Last Cast onthe list anymore?

I'm pretty sure becoming a site sponsor is on our priority list just need to sort some other matters first! This post is not about advertising it's a post to see what actual fishos actually want out of a charter! Also we are looking into anchor fishing as neither of us are big fans of drifting! Just need to see how we'll this works on a large boat!

 seems to work well om the charter boats up coral bay

 Pics added

to locations like the back of Rotto, FADS, Abrolhos islands.

There's a growing number of us crazies out there these days!

Cheers

Mark.

 I'm sure Drew is open to anything fishing! Obviously numbers will be the key here but the boat will be available for almost any sort of private charters, also have discussed dive charters!

great that you guys are looking for suggestions etc.

havn't been on a charter myself for years but the main things that would matter to me would be:

friendliness and help from skipper /deckies. last thing some would want to have is un approachable and grumpy crew who think everything is a hassle. the customer is the boss (ofcourse to a certain degree) and pays the wage.

not sure how the fishing charter business works however I own and run my own small business and word of mouth and repeat business is paramount! (infact my business runs full capacity with ZERO advertising and has been for many years.)

bottom time on the fish ....sort of goes without saying

Gear: needs to be reasonable. having said I havn't been on a charter for years I have one booked. (live aboard only one I would do seeing as I own a boat myself) next year.

After booking I found out the charter uses alvey reels.
for me no probs I will take my own gear. I think most guys doing live aboards are relatively experienced fishos and will bring own gear but for day charters......seriously million dollar boat and $100 fishing gear. no one I know wants to use an alvey.
doesn't have to be stellas and carpenters but strong reasonably cheap spinners like saragosa's or even fin nors with decent (non broomstick) rods will be adequate.

anyway hope I have helped an aussie business in some tiny way
wish you guys success

PM sent !

Been out twice on the same charter from Freo. Both times spent 9 hours out on the water, skipper was friendly and obviously knew what he was doing as lots of fish caught by all. We hired out the boat as a private charter on both occasions which was good as we didn't have too many people on board.
First time we went out the skipper lifted his cray pots and cooked us up crays for lunch - very nice.

 Plogs, will be doing a similar thing for all my punters and will be providing the same service you have received in the past with a friendly atmosphere and a good crew. 

Can't wait to get out there and amongst it. 

Cheers 

Maybe discounted price for bringing your own gear on to use and discounts for jiggers only, no bait. saves your gear a little and 20-30 bucks off a trip is always a bonus.

 Easy, just treat the punters you take out as you would liked to be treated yourself. I've been on far too many who just want to take your money and then not give a stuff about the rest of the day or if you catch something or not. And make sure your deckie is ready to help everyone and not make it like such a chore if he has to get off his arse to start helping people out.

cheers

Dale

 I'm pretty sure that after knowing drew as well as I do that a lazy deckie will be a sacked deckie! This is a family business and we will be targeting repeat business, an unhappy punter is not good for business! Drew been an ex cray fisherman helps a lot I can honestly say that after 5 years of fishing very often with Drew on his personal boat we have never once returned home without a fish in the Eskie! Even on bad days with the tide and fish against us we have always come home with something! Drew always puts the effort in to find the fish! Saying this he also understands that this will not be an easy task on a bad day when the fish don't want to play and we have discussed heavily discounted vouchers for punters that catch nothing in order for them to come out and try again! All experienced fishers know that some days no matter how hard you try the fish just don't wanna play! 

 Hi all just throwing another idea around... We are looking into installing CCTV aboard the boat and are wondering if people would be interested in purchasing a cheap DVD of themselves catching fish? Possibly including underwater footage? 

My expectations from a charter boat.

1, sobber and straight skipper and deckie.

2, good bait and not just one type.

3, a good vibe on the boat.

4, water, tea and coffee.

5, have a selection of hook sizes, should someone feel that the hooks are to big or small.

6, mix of rods an reels for them to use.

7, dont keep fishing the same ground ( farm your spots ).

8, offer to clean the fish ( some people will not know how to do it ) but stay within the regs.

9, spike the fish to be keeped and keep ing a good ice slurry.

10, if someones being a pea nut, lock him up.

customers vary and so will there needs and wants what i would do is get a few different charter trip  options not too many id say 4 type of trips should do say night trip ,day trip jigging,day trip bottom bouncing ,fads+super deep drop this is whats missing from the market 

for the bigger groups who will hire out the whole boat have a list of  options on what yopu can provide then they can decide  what they want and then quote them accordingly

 Drew has. Now taken possession of the boat and just purchased 12 new 10000 sw saragosas nice looking reels just sorting a few more hiccups then will be advertising on fishwrecked! Ice slurry is a given as is tea and coffee will be open for all types of fishing charters soon cheers for the great comments all. Ads

Did you take control of the website to? Or is the JazzII website someone else? Things that annoy me is websites unfinished or not working properly. Also update pictures regulary.

 dont know if it has been said but fillet my bloody fish, im paying 3 hunj for someone to do the work i dont want to do

 I hear you damage it's getting updated as we speak and I'm loosing the II in the title to clean things up. As for the picture gallery make a booking and let's get some shots.

Early days folks but it will be a quality outfit and a great day on the water once the booking start to come for fishing.

Very busy at the moment doing Christmas,wedding,bucks and Rotto days with corporate clients. But the truth be known I love to fish and can't wait to get out there so pass whe word.

$250 for a full days fishing and BBQ lunch new Saragossa 10000 sw loaded with braid and lots of fresh bait. (10 pax req)

We will also cater for any group requests and try to accommodate you as best we can weather pending of course. 

Bitten we will fillet your fish as I need the cray bait. 

 10 would be a good number wouldn't want to fish more than 12 max on rods but plenty of space for spectators. 

 Congrats and good luck, looks like a nice clean well setup boat.

Like MUSTANG mentioned previously, up here we anchor all our spots using the origional pot winch. It makes sence but is a lot more work for crew, but it sounds you guys have the right ideas I'm sure you would be keen to put in the extra effot to get the punters the fish. Main key to anchoring large boats on the fish is a good plotter setup, we use c plot  (computer based). My skippers make it look easy but lot to consider, drift, wind, current and in deep water to somtimes set a fair bit off the fish so by the times the lines hit the bottom they are actually on them with the current. Feel free to PM if you have any questions about our anchor setup. Up here the fish are thick but in some times in small areas, so 20m may be the difference between no fish and doubles everywhere.

Good to hear anothe charter in the hands of somone whos actually still a keen fisho, and make sure you still have fun with it, or it just might turn into work.

depending on what speed you will travel at, if it's reasonable to set a spread then a few lures out the back to bring up the catch rate never hurts either, at least the punters are always in the game, draw cards for spots of 30 mins on strike etc.

love a good feed onboard so i'm all for a good lunch. even brekkie on the way out like a bacon and egg roll.

I like seeing the skipper come out of the wheelhouse and chat with the punters when fishing and to lend a hand as needed.

Overnight/2/3 night charters to the Abrohlos or up the coast would be cool

Drinks to be readily available, water, cordial juice be it whatever, perhaps a softdrink with lunch. Limit the amount of beers onboard to 6 per customer perhaps if it's a fishing trip. I like music when i fish or the radio if say the football or cricket is on but i guess ask the punters what they want. Good gimbal belts if you plan to fish with rods for all on board, comfortable ones anyway.

If you find a little niche run with it, if it's something like kayak trips around rotto or deep drop charters or whatever may work, find it and run with it.

Price accordingly and well word of mouth is gold it seems, i only choose charter operators with good names from customers so if all goes well for you there is no reason this won't work, on the other hand the word of mouth can bring things crashing down pretty quick.

Best of luck fellas

6 beers on a abrohlas trip? your off your head brucesta.

Good luck Mate, hope it woks for you guys, just one comment

if its say a day's fishing, then make it a day. My 1st and last charter, I took me son out at $250 per person (yea 500 bucks for the day). we arrived at the jetty on time 6:00 am and set out just after 6:30, we went behind Rottos and put our 1st lines in just after 8:00.

did a couple of drifts and then at about 1:00pm we were told to pack up. I was back on dry land before 2:30... So much for a full days fishing.

I'm going to try once more in Jan with another charter (recommend from this site). and his arrangement is differenct,

Meet at 5:00am leave by 5:30am, and back on dry land after 6:00pm.... NOW that is a days fishing.

Milesy is bang on the money......in terms of line time in the water. What dramatically icnreased my catch rates over the last night 9 months as been two things:

A) learning to read a sounder and finding fish showing.

B) Constantly on the moove to find the fish

Drifting for hours on end = catch f*** all.

Id love a charter that would de trench trips chasing swords and tuna. that kind of stuff appeals to me. Hunting big game fish. I havnt had that feeling for a while (apart from exxy bills) now and really missing it.

Deep drop would be really appealing too...

one of the biggest things for me with charters i use when travelling its the quality of the crew. I am not talking just how good they work but the personalities of the guys. I still remember like it was yesterday being on shakari (when i was in school so we are talking just under 10 years ago) we had a blast sambo jigging all day and went to get some pinks and Al Bevan has no issue pulling me and showing me the sounder, what was pinks and what was sambos and how to tackle them.... then Gary Lillie proceeding to giving me the run down on sambo survival, release weights etc etc

In hawaii i have a regular boat i use and there is nothing better then get in with the crew and assisting setting lines, the spreads, skirt selectionsm asking questions all the timenetc etc i go on charter not just to catch fish but to learn as much as i can....as its like working in the field. You can go into a tackleshop as much as you want and get as much info as you want but there is nothing better then learning out in the field.

I am not saying give lessons, but what i am saying is if some one asks be helpful and discuss with him. If some one seems keen to help out let him....i have been on a perth charter or two and its been completely the opposite.

in my eyes its not just about catching some days you struggle its the experience.

Oh and dont over crowd the boat........

have an area if there is jiggers to let them jig.

theres plenty more.

but what matt miller said is bang on too, get out with seasport and shakari/saltwater and get a run down, as i have used 2/3 of them and they are A class perth demercal/sambo charters

best piece of advice is think outside the box and do something different.

I have only been out on one charter, on board at 0600 left 0645 spent only 3 hours with bait in the water the rest of the time moving, all for zip in the way of fish. Word of mouth will be your salvation and success or ... I hope you do well

 If this is who your competing with you'll have no problems.

http://deals.com.au/set-off-on-a-six-hour-deep-sea-fishing-adventure-only-129-per-person-including-all-equipment-plus-a-delicious-barbecue-valued-at-305-upgrade-to?utm_source=deals&utm_group=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=17394&utm_content=deal_1&m_check=m_3915066_h_a54c9c1076defef4725a20c55e9136a4

 I can vouch for drew when I say he is a great skipper! He knows his way around a sounder better than most and has been working on boats since he. Was 16 in 5 years of personal fishing with drew we have never ever even once come home without a fish! When I get a spare minute I will post some pics of some of our personal fish! Not to mention he has skippered me to win the hillaries yacht club fishing comp 2 years in a row with drew winning it on the 3rd yr! To me he is my best mate and I can't speak highly enough of his ability as a skipper! He is a family man and a ppl person and an all round great guy! I look forward to working with him and meeting some fw members aboard jazz charters!