Rotto, bizarre surge

 We are at Rotto on the beach moorings in front of the pub.

Raining and I'm playing with the plotter when the boat just lays over on its chine, high and dry, 15 secs floating to dry.

in about 5-10 minutes it was half a meter higher than before and now back to normal, never really seen anything like it outside of cyclone/tsunami.

1 meter rise and fall over 10 minutes, not surge but just down, up and stop.

Guys next door spent the 10 minutes grunting to get their boat off and were then up to their waists

 

 

 

 

 

____________________________________________________________________________

 Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...

 

 

The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.

Everyone's just winging it.

 

Image Upload: 

Posts: 4

Date Joined: 02/08/09

 Same thing happened boxing

Sat, 2016-01-30 13:39

 Same thing happened boxing day tsuami. I seen 3-4 tidal surges in the same spot at rotto 20mins apart. My boat went to laying on its side as pictured then high water mark lapping up to the shrub line on the beach.  Very strange for us as the news had not hit us at rotto regarding the tsunami.

Posts: 5744

Date Joined: 18/01/12

 Just had another one but

Sat, 2016-01-30 13:45

 Just had another one but half the movement.

____________________________________________________________________________

 Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...

 

 

The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.

Everyone's just winging it.

 

ranmar850's picture

Posts: 2702

Date Joined: 12/08/12

Tsunami

Sat, 2016-01-30 14:04

 There have been a few very large quakes around the world in the last week, betting there was an undersea slip somewhere that sent a small Tsunami surge. And the fact it happened twice. 

Posts: 5744

Date Joined: 18/01/12

 Certainly low and high

Sat, 2016-01-30 15:52

 Certainly low and high pressures affect tide heights, but not in such a short period.

____________________________________________________________________________

 Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...

 

 

The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.

Everyone's just winging it.

 

Posts: 206

Date Joined: 06/05/14

 Yes very similar to what

Sat, 2016-01-30 15:01

 Yes very similar to what happened when I was on dunsborough beach Boxing Day tsunami.

Bryce Day's picture

Posts: 812

Date Joined: 01/06/15

looks like little red boat is

Sat, 2016-01-30 18:20

looks like little red boat is stuck under your hull!

Vinesh87's picture

Posts: 2751

Date Joined: 02/04/11

Well we were diving out there

Sat, 2016-01-30 18:45

Well we were diving out there today, and it wasn't good haha i did see your boat on the way past !

Posts: 515

Date Joined: 23/04/11

How was your trip back? I hid

Sun, 2016-01-31 11:37

How was your trip back?
I hid in Geordie until 4pm, and them came back in horrible sloppy crap.

Vinesh87's picture

Posts: 2751

Date Joined: 02/04/11

haha yeh we hid at armstrong

Sun, 2016-01-31 12:03

haha yeh we hid at armstrong home by 4. very very average!

Posts: 5744

Date Joined: 18/01/12

 didnt even say hello!

Sun, 2016-01-31 22:31

 didnt even say hello!

____________________________________________________________________________

 Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...

 

 

The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.

Everyone's just winging it.

 

Vinesh87's picture

Posts: 2751

Date Joined: 02/04/11

Didnt know it was you !

Mon, 2016-02-01 19:19

Didnt know it was you !

Swompa's picture

Posts: 3783

Date Joined: 14/10/12

 Transport department

Sat, 2016-01-30 19:02

 Transport department Fremantle fishing boat harbour graph has a clear spike and drop mid afternoon to reflect what you said. Has to have been a storm surge.

Posts: 5744

Date Joined: 18/01/12

 Just had a look at that, yep

Sat, 2016-01-30 22:13

 Just had a look at that, yep it shows it though only 30cm.

I reckon it was total in the region of between .5 and 1 meter total movement.

I can't post pics properly but if you look at the 1st pic you can see it is maybe 20-30cm above the stern anchor floats and the other pic shows the boat close to dry 20 min b4.

 

____________________________________________________________________________

 Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...

 

 

The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.

Everyone's just winging it.

 

ranmar850's picture

Posts: 2702

Date Joined: 12/08/12

Storm surges don't repeat

Sat, 2016-01-30 19:27

 Going from what Rob said, it went in and out several times, exactly like a tsunami. Did it in the river at Kalbarri during the Boxing day tsunami, three major level changes in 45 minutes. I'd be very surprised if it was a storm surge, they usually just come and keep coming until they recede. And atmospheric conditions will certainly affect sea levels, but not in an in/out fashion. 

Posts: 4563

Date Joined: 01/02/10

 Yeah. Couple of boat sunk in

Sat, 2016-01-30 19:34

 Yeah. Couple of boat sunk in the Gero tsunami too if I remember correctly.

____________________________________________________________________________

Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?

duncan61's picture

Posts: 375

Date Joined: 21/11/14

submarine

Sat, 2016-01-30 20:32

If a submarine was belting in to garden island would it displace this amount of ocean

____________________________________________________________________________

just do it.

sea-kem's picture

Posts: 14853

Date Joined: 30/11/09

 Uuuuuum no, maybe Godzilla 

Sat, 2016-01-30 20:44

 Uuuuuum no, maybe Godzilla 

____________________________________________________________________________

Love the West!

Willlo's picture

Posts: 1490

Date Joined: 07/10/11

 lol or maybe a large krakken

Sun, 2016-01-31 07:49

 lol or maybe a large krakken

____________________________________________________________________________

 Call Sign - BZ785

Haynes Hunter Prowler CC

 

Adam Gallash's picture

Posts: 15610

Date Joined: 29/11/05

prawns

Sun, 2016-01-31 08:55

 It was us mate, we loaded all your prawns n crayfish back on the searcher and put her in the drink. Surely enough weight there to effect the water levels!!!

____________________________________________________________________________

Site Admin - Just ask if you need assistance

quadfisher's picture

Posts: 1146

Date Joined: 28/09/10

Last one reported , MEXICO 21 JAN 2016.

Sun, 2016-01-31 09:14

itic.ioc-unesco.org/index.php

www.bom.gov.au/tsunami/about/atws.shtml

Just seems odd , that with all these resources , and tax payers money I might add , no reports , nothing

Theres seems to be shortage of pencil necks just hanging for something to happen , and yet they said zero.

And yes upon re reading your report , it doesnt seem like storm surge, so let the theorys begin!

My top two are, the aliens that swallowed that maylasian plane just left earth, and Lizzy quay is that deep ( designed by engineers remember)

that when filling it , it dropped sea levels everywhere!

The Australian Government committed $68.9M over four years to establish an Australian Tsunami Warning System by 2009. This included: Establishment of the Joint Australian Tsunami Warning Centre (JATWC) with 24/7 monitoring and analysis capacity for Australia; The upgrade and expansion of sea-level and seismic monitoring networks around Australia and in the Indian and South West Pacific Oceans; Implementation of national education and training programmes about tsunami; Assistance to the Intergovernmental Oceanographic Commission (IOC) in developing the existing Pacific Tsunami Warning & Mitigation System (PTWS) and establishing an Indian Ocean Tsunami Warning & Mitigation System (IOTWS); and Technical assistance to help build the capacity of scientists, technicians, and emergency managers in South-West Pacific and Indian Ocean countries. The project was completed successfully in 2009. Australia now has a world class tsunami warning system providing 24/7 monitoring, detection and warning services for Australian community.

____________________________________________________________________________

quadfisher

ranmar850's picture

Posts: 2702

Date Joined: 12/08/12

Boxing day tsunami

Sun, 2016-01-31 09:14

 

 
 Yeah. Couple of boat sunk in
Sat, 2016-01-30 19:34new

 

 Yeah. Couple of boat sunk in the Gero tsunami too if I remember correctly

The Saxon, a jet boat, was sunk when the ropes couldnt cope with the rise in level and it downflooded. IIRC, it was tied a bit shorter on one side in the pen than the other, so it was rolled.  Very close call for everyone. It flooded up over the top of the fisherman's wharf, went through Horrie & Steve's slipway workshop, and came just one course of bricks short of flooding Joe Bombaras' electronics workshop. The north-facing aspect of the Geraldton harbour worked against it, the surge piled up with no-where to go. 

My biggest nightmare at Ningaloo, wake up in the middle of the night with a metre of water washing shit away. A small tsunami is believed to have gone  through nor-west cape in the nineties in the middle of the night. Early morning walkers found fish and squid stranded well above normal high tide. Estimates had the surges as high as 2 metres in places, bloody good thing it didn't happen during daylight hours when people were out and about.

 

 

 
quadfisher's picture

Posts: 1146

Date Joined: 28/09/10

This one shows quite a rise.

Sun, 2016-01-31 09:34

www.transport.wa.gov.au/imarine/rottnest-island-tide-and-wave.asp

Click on the significant wave height graph header.

I am reading it as a 1 metre rise in seas followed by a drop , with no rise in swells, odd and potentially dangerous.

____________________________________________________________________________

quadfisher

Posts: 563

Date Joined: 27/08/09

 Storm surge related to the

Sun, 2016-01-31 14:28

 Storm surge related to the intense thunder storm cells in the area. I've seen this before with similar tidal ranges at Hillaries before.

 

Posts: 5744

Date Joined: 18/01/12

 Storm surge may be a

Sun, 2016-01-31 21:18

 Storm surge may be a possibility but I doubt it, in 30 odd years at sea I have never seen this other than tsunami (Boxing Day and Chilean in NZ a few years back) when it was like this, and surge from swell which is pretty short frequency.

____________________________________________________________________________

 Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...

 

 

The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.

Everyone's just winging it.

 

duncan61's picture

Posts: 375

Date Joined: 21/11/14

submarine

Sun, 2016-01-31 14:38

 Not a U.S. Submarine then LoL

____________________________________________________________________________

just do it.

Swompa's picture

Posts: 3783

Date Joined: 14/10/12

 Could it be related to a

Sun, 2016-01-31 18:59

 Could it be related to a grain spill in the sound? 

Swompa's picture

Posts: 3783

Date Joined: 14/10/12

Just a thought, when the last

Mon, 2016-02-01 07:40

Just a thought, when the last ship drifted into the Railway bridge, it was due to a 'sudden' storm surge the official incident report claims.

crasny1's picture

Posts: 6986

Date Joined: 16/10/08

The boxing day Tsunami

Mon, 2016-02-01 08:07

Dropped our boat so that the chine got below the jetty deck that we tied to, and then came up so fast that it almost trapped the boat under the edge over the chine. We weren't even contemplating this sudden change and if not for some good spotting by the friends we were picking up for crabbing, and then some hasty pushing the boat easily could have been flipped like the one in Gero. We had to get 10 people on the Starboard side (the one we tied to the jetty) to free her.
We got underway but the rise and fall in the level freaked out an Ex Pro Crayskipper and he just wanted to beach the boat and run for high ground. I recall so well his WTF face as we came out of the canals and the tide turned again running fast out, then fast in.
So with that change I would say mini-tsunami as the cause.

____________________________________________________________________________

"I would like to die on Mars. Just not on impact!!" _ Elon Musk

Swompa's picture

Posts: 3783

Date Joined: 14/10/12

Just looked for any

Mon, 2016-02-01 13:11

Just looked for any information relating to a tsunami in the Indian ocean over the weekend and cannot find anything though did see that on Sunday, one page shows a 2.3 around York way on the 31st and there was a 4.6 in Timor. Generally there would be a news report if something was felt within the state.

Another page shows nothing in the Indian ocean area for weeks so take from that what you will.

What time did you experience the surge?

Posts: 5744

Date Joined: 18/01/12

 12.41 on my photos.Ive

Mon, 2016-02-01 13:50

 12.41 on my photos.
Ive emailed Geoscience Australia but heard nothing back yet.

____________________________________________________________________________

 Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...

 

 

The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.

Everyone's just winging it.

 

Posts: 515

Date Joined: 23/04/11

Problem Solved!!!!

Mon, 2016-02-01 14:27

Just spoke to a mate who works at Rotto Pub.
These two were spotted getting out of the water on Saturday arvo......

sea-kem's picture

Posts: 14853

Date Joined: 30/11/09

 I'd tap that 

Mon, 2016-02-01 16:02

 I'd tap that 

____________________________________________________________________________

Love the West!

chris raff's picture

Posts: 3257

Date Joined: 09/02/10

 Knew you’d be all over that

Mon, 2016-02-01 17:50

 Knew you’d be all over that Andy lol , They also could be the Krakkens Willlo was referring to ...

____________________________________________________________________________

Intelligence is like a four-wheel drive. It only allows you to get stuck in more remote places.”

Willlo's picture

Posts: 1490

Date Joined: 07/10/11

 lol

Mon, 2016-02-01 20:04

 lol

____________________________________________________________________________

 Call Sign - BZ785

Haynes Hunter Prowler CC

 

Posts: 5744

Date Joined: 18/01/12

 again Andy??

Mon, 2016-02-01 17:56

 again Andy??

____________________________________________________________________________

 Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...

 

 

The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.

Everyone's just winging it.

 

sea-kem's picture

Posts: 14853

Date Joined: 30/11/09

 Ha ha just couldn't resist.

Mon, 2016-02-01 18:34

 Ha ha just couldn't resist. But seriously I checked out the seismic info map too and nothing in the past week even near here.

____________________________________________________________________________

Love the West!

mullows's picture

Posts: 738

Date Joined: 25/12/08

 Hahaha Sense of humour that

Mon, 2016-02-01 20:36

 Hahaha

 

Sense of humour that makes me really laugh.

 

Cheers

Mullows

____________________________________________________________________________

The Older I get the better I was :-)

Posts: 790

Date Joined: 25/05/12

 There was some surge in

Mon, 2016-02-01 18:47

 There was some surge in Hawaii I think in the last week that knocked a baby and mom over onto a busy road 

Kelly slater came to the rescue of them 

Posts: 6265

Date Joined: 26/04/14

 was a bloody big wave,

Mon, 2016-02-01 18:50

 was a bloody big wave, hawaii getting smashed by swell at the moment. el nino 

carnarvonite's picture

Posts: 8627

Date Joined: 24/07/07

Roll cloud front

Mon, 2016-02-01 17:15

Had one over at Red Cliff bay on Bernier island about 7 years back, sudden surge as the clouds passed over then water level dropped by over a metre resulting in 4 of the 5 yachts anchored there nearly being swamped when the surge came back in. Or then local meteorologist was there and took photos showing much the same effect as the ones above

Posts: 6265

Date Joined: 26/04/14

 gee, if that was any form of

Mon, 2016-02-01 18:03

 gee, if that was any form of tsunami i dont hold much faith in early prediction if one heads our way. i notice the ferry in the background wonder how they went tied off to the jetty

Madmerv's picture

Posts: 672

Date Joined: 24/01/15

Two Rocks

Mon, 2016-02-01 19:16

 Was working on a boat in two rocks on the day and remember about 1-2pm thinking the tide was really horsing out with little eddies forming as it went past the rocks near the cray shed. Later that arvo i was looking at the same area and thinking the tide was still horsing out and that was a bit strange as the boat had not dropped much in relation to the jetty. Tsunami for sure if it was going on at rotto also.

____________________________________________________________________________

 Sometimes when the water is quiet, you can hear the fish laughing at you !

ranmar850's picture

Posts: 2702

Date Joined: 12/08/12

Interesting what Carnarvonite said

Mon, 2016-02-01 21:35

 I've never personally seen a sudden change and reversal of depth from passing weather, particularly if it repeats a number of times, but i certainly don't know everything. In fact, the older I get, the more i realise how little I  know

Posts: 5744

Date Joined: 18/01/12

 me also, not from weather so

Mon, 2016-02-01 21:54

 me also, not from weather so quickly.
And like you, see below!

____________________________________________________________________________

 Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...

 

 

The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.

Everyone's just winging it.

 

Swompa's picture

Posts: 3783

Date Joined: 14/10/12

Very interested to see what

Tue, 2016-02-02 12:07

Very interested to see what geoscience have to say about it.

Posts: 5744

Date Joined: 18/01/12

BOM response

Thu, 2016-02-04 06:43

Hello Rob,

Thank you for your email dated 01 Feb 2016, concerning sea level movements at Rottnest Island.

An investigation has indicated that no tsunamigenic earthquakes were recorded at the time that may explain your observations, so it is unlikely the anomalous sea level heights were from a tsunami generated by an undersea earthquake. However, a “meteotsunami” may be the likely explanation for the water level movements you observed.

An intense low pressure system passed over the location at the time of your observation. Fine-scale features of such atmospheric disturbances, which are hard to predict and monitor, can generate sea level anomalies that behave and look similar to undersea earthquake generated tsunamis. A link to a recent paper discussing meteorological tsunamis (meteotsunamis) in south west Australia is included for your reference http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11069-014-1263-8 .

We are certainly looking into how we may forecast meteotsunami effects, but the science and lack of detailed observations offshore pose challenges.

regards

Brendan Casey

Coordinator Tsunami Warning Services

Australian Bureau of Meteorolo

____________________________________________________________________________

 Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...

 

 

The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.

Everyone's just winging it.

 

Swompa's picture

Posts: 3783

Date Joined: 14/10/12

Interesting

Thu, 2016-02-04 07:31

Interesting

crasny1's picture

Posts: 6986

Date Joined: 16/10/08

Learn something new every day

Thu, 2016-02-04 08:56

Very interesting!!

____________________________________________________________________________

"I would like to die on Mars. Just not on impact!!" _ Elon Musk