Rotto, bizarre surge
Submitted by Rob H on Sat, 2016-01-30 13:05
We are at Rotto on the beach moorings in front of the pub.
Raining and I'm playing with the plotter when the boat just lays over on its chine, high and dry, 15 secs floating to dry.
in about 5-10 minutes it was half a meter higher than before and now back to normal, never really seen anything like it outside of cyclone/tsunami.
1 meter rise and fall over 10 minutes, not surge but just down, up and stop.
Guys next door spent the 10 minutes grunting to get their boat off and were then up to their waists
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Same thing happened boxing
Same thing happened boxing day tsuami. I seen 3-4 tidal surges in the same spot at rotto 20mins apart. My boat went to laying on its side as pictured then high water mark lapping up to the shrub line on the beach. Very strange for us as the news had not hit us at rotto regarding the tsunami.
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Just had another one but
Just had another one but half the movement.
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ranmar850
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Tsunami
There have been a few very large quakes around the world in the last week, betting there was an undersea slip somewhere that sent a small Tsunami surge. And the fact it happened twice.
quadfisher
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Low pressure moving down coast?
http://At least five processes can be involved in altering tide levels during storms: the pressure effect, the direct wind effect, the effect of the Earth's rotation, the effect of waves, and the rainfall effect.[10] The pressure effects of a tropical cyclone will cause the water level in the open ocean to rise in regions of low atmospheric pressure and fall in regions of high atmospheric pressure. The rising water level will counteract the low atmospheric pressure such that the total pressure at some plane beneath the water surface remains constant. This effect is estimated at a 10 mm (0.39 in) increase in sea level for every millibar (hPa) drop in atmospheric pressure
Could be Tsunami, or maybe the above , this low pressure system came barrelling directly down the west coast this morning running paralell with the land.
Can they maybe suck the water in towards themselves, and therefor dropping the water in front of it were you are in Rotto?.
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Rob H
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Certainly low and high
Certainly low and high pressures affect tide heights, but not in such a short period.
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Yes very similar to what
Yes very similar to what happened when I was on dunsborough beach Boxing Day tsunami.
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looks like little red boat is
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Well we were diving out there
Well we were diving out there today, and it wasn't good haha i did see your boat on the way past !
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How was your trip back? I hid
How was your trip back?
I hid in Geordie until 4pm, and them came back in horrible sloppy crap.
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haha yeh we hid at armstrong
haha yeh we hid at armstrong home by 4. very very average!
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didnt even say hello!
didnt even say hello!
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Didnt know it was you !
Didnt know it was you !
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Transport department
Transport department Fremantle fishing boat harbour graph has a clear spike and drop mid afternoon to reflect what you said. Has to have been a storm surge.
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Just had a look at that, yep
Just had a look at that, yep it shows it though only 30cm.
I reckon it was total in the region of between .5 and 1 meter total movement.
I can't post pics properly but if you look at the 1st pic you can see it is maybe 20-30cm above the stern anchor floats and the other pic shows the boat close to dry 20 min b4.
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Storm surges don't repeat
Going from what Rob said, it went in and out several times, exactly like a tsunami. Did it in the river at Kalbarri during the Boxing day tsunami, three major level changes in 45 minutes. I'd be very surprised if it was a storm surge, they usually just come and keep coming until they recede. And atmospheric conditions will certainly affect sea levels, but not in an in/out fashion.
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Yeah. Couple of boat sunk in
Yeah. Couple of boat sunk in the Gero tsunami too if I remember correctly.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
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submarine
If a submarine was belting in to garden island would it displace this amount of ocean
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Uuuuuum no, maybe Godzilla
Uuuuuum no, maybe Godzilla
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lol or maybe a large krakken
lol or maybe a large krakken
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prawns
It was us mate, we loaded all your prawns n crayfish back on the searcher and put her in the drink. Surely enough weight there to effect the water levels!!!
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Last one reported , MEXICO 21 JAN 2016.
itic.ioc-unesco.org/index.php
www.bom.gov.au/tsunami/about/atws.shtml
Just seems odd , that with all these resources , and tax payers money I might add , no reports , nothing
Theres seems to be shortage of pencil necks just hanging for something to happen , and yet they said zero.
And yes upon re reading your report , it doesnt seem like storm surge, so let the theorys begin!
My top two are, the aliens that swallowed that maylasian plane just left earth, and Lizzy quay is that deep ( designed by engineers remember)
that when filling it , it dropped sea levels everywhere!
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Boxing day tsunami
Yeah. Couple of boat sunk in the Gero tsunami too if I remember correctly
The Saxon, a jet boat, was sunk when the ropes couldnt cope with the rise in level and it downflooded. IIRC, it was tied a bit shorter on one side in the pen than the other, so it was rolled. Very close call for everyone. It flooded up over the top of the fisherman's wharf, went through Horrie & Steve's slipway workshop, and came just one course of bricks short of flooding Joe Bombaras' electronics workshop. The north-facing aspect of the Geraldton harbour worked against it, the surge piled up with no-where to go.
My biggest nightmare at Ningaloo, wake up in the middle of the night with a metre of water washing shit away. A small tsunami is believed to have gone through nor-west cape in the nineties in the middle of the night. Early morning walkers found fish and squid stranded well above normal high tide. Estimates had the surges as high as 2 metres in places, bloody good thing it didn't happen during daylight hours when people were out and about.
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This one shows quite a rise.
www.transport.wa.gov.au/imarine/rottnest-island-tide-and-wave.asp
Click on the significant wave height graph header.
I am reading it as a 1 metre rise in seas followed by a drop , with no rise in swells, odd and potentially dangerous.
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Storm surge related to the
Storm surge related to the intense thunder storm cells in the area. I've seen this before with similar tidal ranges at Hillaries before.
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Storm surge may be a
Storm surge may be a possibility but I doubt it, in 30 odd years at sea I have never seen this other than tsunami (Boxing Day and Chilean in NZ a few years back) when it was like this, and surge from swell which is pretty short frequency.
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submarine
Not a U.S. Submarine then LoL
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Could it be related to a
Could it be related to a grain spill in the sound?
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Just a thought, when the last
Just a thought, when the last ship drifted into the Railway bridge, it was due to a 'sudden' storm surge the official incident report claims.
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The boxing day Tsunami
Dropped our boat so that the chine got below the jetty deck that we tied to, and then came up so fast that it almost trapped the boat under the edge over the chine. We weren't even contemplating this sudden change and if not for some good spotting by the friends we were picking up for crabbing, and then some hasty pushing the boat easily could have been flipped like the one in Gero. We had to get 10 people on the Starboard side (the one we tied to the jetty) to free her.
We got underway but the rise and fall in the level freaked out an Ex Pro Crayskipper and he just wanted to beach the boat and run for high ground. I recall so well his WTF face as we came out of the canals and the tide turned again running fast out, then fast in.
So with that change I would say mini-tsunami as the cause.
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Just looked for any
Just looked for any information relating to a tsunami in the Indian ocean over the weekend and cannot find anything though did see that on Sunday, one page shows a 2.3 around York way on the 31st and there was a 4.6 in Timor. Generally there would be a news report if something was felt within the state.
Another page shows nothing in the Indian ocean area for weeks so take from that what you will.
What time did you experience the surge?
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12.41 on my photos.Ive
12.41 on my photos.
Ive emailed Geoscience Australia but heard nothing back yet.
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Problem Solved!!!!
Just spoke to a mate who works at Rotto Pub.
These two were spotted getting out of the water on Saturday arvo......
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I'd tap that
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Knew you’d be all over that
Knew you’d be all over that Andy lol , They also could be the Krakkens Willlo was referring to ...
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again Andy??
again Andy??
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Ha ha just couldn't resist.
Ha ha just couldn't resist. But seriously I checked out the seismic info map too and nothing in the past week even near here.
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There was some surge in
There was some surge in Hawaii I think in the last week that knocked a baby and mom over onto a busy road
Kelly slater came to the rescue of them
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was a bloody big wave,
was a bloody big wave, hawaii getting smashed by swell at the moment. el nino
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Roll cloud front
Had one over at Red Cliff bay on Bernier island about 7 years back, sudden surge as the clouds passed over then water level dropped by over a metre resulting in 4 of the 5 yachts anchored there nearly being swamped when the surge came back in. Or then local meteorologist was there and took photos showing much the same effect as the ones above
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gee, if that was any form of
gee, if that was any form of tsunami i dont hold much faith in early prediction if one heads our way. i notice the ferry in the background wonder how they went tied off to the jetty
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Two Rocks
Was working on a boat in two rocks on the day and remember about 1-2pm thinking the tide was really horsing out with little eddies forming as it went past the rocks near the cray shed. Later that arvo i was looking at the same area and thinking the tide was still horsing out and that was a bit strange as the boat had not dropped much in relation to the jetty. Tsunami for sure if it was going on at rotto also.
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Interesting what Carnarvonite said
I've never personally seen a sudden change and reversal of depth from passing weather, particularly if it repeats a number of times, but i certainly don't know everything. In fact, the older I get, the more i realise how little I know
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me also, not from weather so
me also, not from weather so quickly.
And like you, see below!
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Very interested to see what
Very interested to see what geoscience have to say about it.
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BOM response
Hello Rob,
Thank you for your email dated 01 Feb 2016, concerning sea level movements at Rottnest Island.
An investigation has indicated that no tsunamigenic earthquakes were recorded at the time that may explain your observations, so it is unlikely the anomalous sea level heights were from a tsunami generated by an undersea earthquake. However, a “meteotsunami” may be the likely explanation for the water level movements you observed.
An intense low pressure system passed over the location at the time of your observation. Fine-scale features of such atmospheric disturbances, which are hard to predict and monitor, can generate sea level anomalies that behave and look similar to undersea earthquake generated tsunamis. A link to a recent paper discussing meteorological tsunamis (meteotsunamis) in south west Australia is included for your reference http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11069-014-1263-8 .
We are certainly looking into how we may forecast meteotsunami effects, but the science and lack of detailed observations offshore pose challenges.
regards
Brendan Casey
Coordinator Tsunami Warning Services
Australian Bureau of Meteorolo
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Interesting
Interesting
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Learn something new every day
Very interesting!!
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