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Submitted by Jutty on Thu, 2013-11-14 16:15
Hi guys just throwing this one out there to you to see if this one is equitable.
I take a lot of people out in the boat (6m glass with 175hpdi) and always find the splitting costs bit the hardest to work out, I'm just trying to work out a good system, most people offer more than fair.
Do you guys think a litre per km devided by ppl on board is about rite?
So 3 people Hillarys to Thompson bay 25km so 50km return trip (@ $1.50)this works at about $75 by my system three ways is $25 each to cover fuel, oil and a bit of love for the boat (parking, towing it there ect)
fishy fingers
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if they are your mates
nothing, not your mates dont take them!
Rob H
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yes I reckon it is if its
yes I reckon it is if its similar to operating costs.
I don't worry about it on a cray dive trip etc at all, but its nice when the people you take out grab your bottle and fill it for you afterwards-not so much when they fill it on your account plus theirs also though :-)
But on an island trip where you'll burn $300 plus of fuel (and I'll do most of the food to save doubling up on eskys etc) I'll tell beforehand what its gonna cost.
Most of my trips are with my kids though and Id have bucklys of getting more than a friggin jelly bean out of them!
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diver
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I agree totaly
People seem to think if you have a boat,you are wealthy,& can afford to run the boat,but the truth is we own boats for our enjoyment,but they do have costs attatched,these being.Service once a year approx $ 200.0 up to $500.0 Insurance$180.00up to $300.? trailer keeping it roadworthy around $50.0 to $150. deepending if new bearings all round.boat rego,Those theiving politicains put the rego up nd on mine $145.0 plus larger boats more,trailer rego? safety gear,PFDs x4 $100.plus Flares,off shore every 3 years $100.00 EPERB every 3/4 years $350.00plus,fuel,& oil in two strokes, 100 liters at $1.35 $135.00 oil $25.00,four strokes jut fuel .but more for service.this (the fuel costs ) are an unknown as how far you go,weight you carry and sea conditions.the rougher the sea,the more fuel.sowhen we put it all to-gether.we have I come up with ,using the lowest costs $1125.00.that is without going on the water,car to tow it,?fuel in car $15.00, launching fees,$7.50 ,bait? $15.00,then the fuel say $75.00 plus the 7.5 +15.0+15.$ $112.50 for the day on the water.but ,the people will think you a great bloke,I now of not any person who thinks of the costs involved.as for Fishy Fingers coments,I can only think he earns to much money
black gen
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i disagree with you somewhat.
i disagree with you somewhat.
if your factoring all the costs of the boat throughout the year then you shouldnt be taking people out.
if you own a boat its your choice so you wear servicing, oil etc etc.
you should just split up the days costs of fuel, food, oil, bait and get a round number and go from there.
D_d_001
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please let me know where you
please let me know where you can get your motor serviced for under $500 and where you can get insurance for under $300 !!!
eziliving
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i just had my 175 suzi
i just had my 175 suzi serviced for less than $500 but as for the insurance more like $1,100 for my boat.
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I did the full 200 hr service
I did the full 200 hr service on my 250 Verado for $185 parts and oil. Pretty easy, and did everything, no shortcuts taken.
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milsey
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All sounds too hard, im with
All sounds too hard, im with Rob. If im heading over to rotto for a dive im not too fussed but if we're doing a trp to the shelf or an overnighter ill usually have a pretty good idea of fuel usage before hand and let the deckie/deckies know what we are looking at. No point in being anal as that just ruins it.
fishy fingers
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haha I wish
as for Fishy Fingers coments,I can only think he earns to much money
far from it, when I bought a boat i did it with the knowledge that the opererating cost maintainance etc where all mine
I never give a thought to charging people to take them out I do it as a mate cos mates do good things fore their mates
it gives me pleasure to see them getting pleasure from something i do (no sexual comments please!) also my mates do things for me, I look at it like spending a day with your mates/inlaws whatever, you wouldnt charge them to go out to the beach or bush and have a bbq same thing for me and if I couldnt afford to run the thing I wouldnt have it.
edit: trips away though all costs shared equaly
milsey
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Spot on
Spot on
catchalittle
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generally fuel up before
generally fuel up before going out so if I put say $100 in to top the tank up fuel is split 1 deckie on board its $50 two deckies $25 each brother on board nothing as its his boat and Im just the skipper and storer of boat but I generally just half the fuel cost do a trip to the fads the guys know generally that can be probably $80 - $100 each never really had a issue with my regular deckies as they hand over cash without asking and if its a short trip I just say worry about it next time and most times the help on the boat is worth more to me than $$$$$$
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Super peg
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when my mates take me out
when my mates take me out goes like this... You buy the bait you don't pay the fuel , otherwise roun about $20 each, unless its a tinny then it's $10,
but I believe it's not just about paying, you gotta be a good decks! Anchor duty and ways be ready to get ya feet wet launching and retrieving, prepare and maintain the burley.
Its a privilege for landbased person like me to get out on the blue and chase species I'm not normally chasing, so I show up on time and am always happy to help where I can,
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sea-kem
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I actually never charge my
I actually never charge my deckie for anything. But he does bring the beers and does a bloody good job of cleaning the boat and helping out. doen't bother me as he's a good mate. He's tried to shove money in my pocket before but i"ve told him to put it away.
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Swompa
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To be honest, if I want to
To be honest, if I want to go out, and want to take my boat, and want people, I would feel like a dick asking them to pay. They are keeping me company and allowing me to enjoy what I do safely.
similar to above, we share food and drinks, and he tries to give me cash. He takes half the catch ( generally more as I don't like crays), but without him I can't go.
Rob H
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the difference I guess
the difference I guess between me and most of the others above is most of my runs are long ones where fuel gets to $250-$450
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big john
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No free rides
Unless it's a special occasion, I just split the cost of fuel and bait by how many POB. Everyone's happy.
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tim-o
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For fuel cost splitting on a
For fuel cost splitting on a trip, have a full tank or fill up before, then fill up again on the way home, and divide the fuel bill for the refill (fuel used for that trip)
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Rob H
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I prefer to just make a
I prefer to just make a guestemite beforehand, sometimes it goes either way. But to be honest, if someone started quibling over it AFTERWARDS, I would be extremely unlikely to take them again
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chris raff
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Free Ride , depends on the
Free Ride , depends on the deckie there's lots of variables to take into account ...
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sea-kem
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Jeeeeeesus Chris!!!! you did
Jeeeeeesus Chris!!!! you did have to bring in that!! variable. That changes everything lol. Dammmmmnn!
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sea-kem
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Jeeeeeesus Chris!!!! you did
Jeeeeeesus Chris!!!! you did have to bring in that!! variable. That changes everything lol. Dammmmmnn!
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Doooma
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daaaaaaaaaamn!!!
daaaaaaaaaamn!!!
willy2668
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I brought a boat to go
I brought a boat to go fishing myself if someone I take wants to flick me some cash I always say I don't want it as I was going anyway but if they persist to pay that's fine .
grantarctic1
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With a small boat
With a small boat i don't usualy ask to split the cost's, but if they offer to chip in that's great.
With larger boats a trip can cost 10 x as much , and i would expect a deckie tho chip in one way or another, ie; fuel , or bait, or drinks and food.
But some times i take a guest who dosn't realy fish or get out on boats, I don't expect them to pay as i have invited them out for the day. Like chris raff has clearly pointed out, there are lot's of different variables to consider.
In saying all that, a good deckie will always chip in , even if they are not asked to .
Bodie
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This is the ting, if they are
This is the ting, if they are your mate, they at least offer.
Its a bit like taking someone out and when you get back they dont offer to help clean the boat... you may say nah it ok because your a bit perdantic in cleaning your pride and joy, but at least they offered.
Bodie
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My tub runs at about 1.7ltr
My tub runs at about 1.7ltr per mile. I calculate 2ltr per mile (Too hard to work out 1.7) and that covers variables like conditions which means burning more fuel.
The rest (Bait, food etc) is whoever buys it buys it. Most of my mates who come fishing with me dont really care so much about 5 or 10 or 20 bucks between mates....
But as I go fishing more often due to mates wanting to fish they always chip in cash for Fuel.
Typical trip for me is $150 in boat fuel. Usually if 3 or 4 people onboard, $50 each. Pretty cheap considering your out all day, including drniks and food and bringing home an esky full of fish!
D_d_001
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the cost of running is just a
the cost of running is just a responsibility of owning a boat. not something you want to charge mates. Having said that the mates I take out always offer/put in more than their fair share and it's not something I would bother to work out per km. Ave trip to rotto or whatever they buy some bait and put in for some fuel. All works out in the end !
the only time I would even do sums is the weeks away up north etc
@ Chris raff: what the hell are you doing with pics of my wife ???
The Saint
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Pay Ya Way
I never expect anyone to take me out on their boat without sharing costs, so i don't have a problem accepting a share of the fuel costs from others. My boat uses gets around 1.2 klm to the litre with 3 people on board. I work out the fuel consumption at that, times fuel cost at the time, then divide by number on board and round it up to the nearest $5. Everyone who comes out with me is more than happy with that, if not they can spend $300 on a charter rather than the $50 to $70 they give me.
The Saint
The Saint
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Pay Ya Way
I never expect anyone to take me out on their boat without sharing costs, so i don't have a problem accepting a share of the fuel costs from others. My boat uses gets around 1.2 klm to the litre with 3 people on board. I work out the fuel consumption at that, multiply by fuel cost per litre at the time, then divide by number of fishos on board and round it up to the nearest $5. Everyone who comes out with me is more than happy with that, if not they can spend $300 on a charter rather than the $50 to $70 they give me.
The Saint
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If they are my guest ie I
If they are my guest ie I have invited them then they are my guest and I pay. If they want to go again its on a share basis.
If they are part of the regular crew its an equal share in fuel and bait. Buggered if I can get the bastards to winch up the boat or clean it afterwards though. They are so crap at cleaning that I prefer to do it myself, then I wont be disappointed. They also need to understand that lines up not only means lines up but also sea anchor in, tidy up, bait up and get ready for the next drop NOT just park their fat arse on a seat waiting for the next drop to come up. I swear I'm turning into Captain Bligh ! Maybe I should print up some decky rules and pin it to the bulkhead !
Catch shared equally whether they pay or not.
Often thought about defraying the cost of owning the boat (rego, insurance, maintenance etc etc) by charging on a $$ per distance travelled basis but as others have pointed out, owning the boat is a personal choice so bit of a tough one to impose and wouldnt really sit right with me.
D_d_001
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"NOT just park their fat arse
"NOT just park their fat arse on a seat waiting for the next drop to come up."
hahahha I think unless you have owned a boat and of course with the exception of a lot of deckies on this site. ....you generally just don't get how much work a day fishing is.
especially when your skipper/cutting bait/untangling lines/("get the line away from the prop.....please"!/watching your reels get banged around/seeing the eski left open/your splitring pliers used to dehook, then saying bye at the ramp knowing you've still got a lot of work to do.....list is endless.....but all part of the fun :)
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Wilmy
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To go out on someone else's
To go out on someone else's boat is also a personal decision, I only expect to pay my fair share.
Noxious
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If they are 'fishermen' and
If they are 'fishermen' and regulars on my boat i usually get them to bring bait, food and bevvies. I sort out fuel.
If they aren't really fisho's then I usually supply the lot, if they want to chip in for something that are more than welcome.
Fishing is expensive, fuck I love it though!
jayce
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I normally get my deckies to
I normally get my deckies to pull both the anchors thats about all i ask of them.
They Normally help wash the boat aswell but i dont ask them to.
Same as fuel I dont ask for fuel money how ever they still give it to me any way. A couple of them will often beat me into the servo and pay for all the fel and then not let me give them money for it. But i invite them out on my boat so i am well prepared to cover costs.
Good friends and a laugh are worth more than money any day.
greyheads1
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perhaps a little off topic
perhaps a little off topic but the budgets above all look more than fair to me. As a newly 'qualified' skipper, I am really keen to learn from those more experienced than I. Im keen to invest in a boat but well aware I would be asking for trouble until I have built up some basic experience and seamanship skills. I would be happy to contribute at any of the estimates above....so if there is any support required please feel free to drop me a line I would be more than happy to contribute.
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Wilmy
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I'll be happy to chip in
I'll be happy to chip in whatever amount the individual boat owner requires. Owning and maintaining a boat is expensive and I'd expect that to be factored in to a trip.
fishy fingers
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Nah mate
you cant and shouldnt factor the cost of owning a boat into any trip it's a decision we make when we buy it otherwise you would be constantly thinking how much a trip was costing and if you where losing money, it would be like a buisness deal or running your work vehicle, getting a bit of fuel money off your mates is a personal choice and I dont want nor expect it but some do and thats ok too, but not maintainance cost thats yours alone as a boat owner, put it this way if you split the cost of running, maintaining and insuring a boat as well as fuel would they then be entitled to a share of the money if you sold it? I dont think so
EricBananaMan
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Costs
I agree with most of the above comments. Own a boat, pay the upkeep. When I take mates out, I fill up at the servo after the trip and we are happy to split the fuel cost for the trip. Same when I am on their boat. Take the family and bugger them, they can pay for all the fuel. Hey…wait a minute!
andrewn
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the bloke who owns the boat
the bloke who owns the boat shouldnt have to pay any running costs for the day ie your mates buy the fuel and bait
Fuzz
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1/2 the fuel bill and 1/2
1/2 the fuel bill and 1/2 the days catch if there is 2 aboard......... Alternative 1/2 the days catch and no fuel money is offered, That deckie doesnt come again.
If chipping in for fuel is two expensive, he may want to try purchasing top quality dermersal fillets from a shop and see which is cheaper/MORE FUN.
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derko5000
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bahahaha i take someone
bahahaha i take someone fishing on boat who i swear sits round the corner an waits till ive brought bait, fueled up an even put the boat in the water by myself. Then rocks up with no bait an no mention of fuel money, an just to top it off stands back whilst i retreive boat an clean it, cause he doesnt want his nice shoes to get wet. Bahaahah but always manages to take home half the catch! He is currently looking for a new deck hand position if anyones interested.
sea-kem
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Hope he's not a site member
Hope he's not a site member lol.
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derko5000
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hahahha me too! have told him
hahahha me too! have told him bout the site, so u never know!
JohnF
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When I had my 5.4 m ali, I
When I had my 5.4 m ali, I did not bother with splitting fuel costs for shorter trips, the deckies usually just brought long snacks and beers.
With the bigger tug, fuel costs are friggen high, boat uses 1L per km. Boat has fuel meter, so just zero it as we leave the Marina and re read it as we hit land again, then times by cost of fuel when I filled it. Add on parking, plus any bait or ice the deckies buy, split it by everyone on board, then take off any costs the deckies have had. As above, if I invite a relative or similar along, it is usually a freebie.
Thought of adding in service costs when I found out I was looking at $1000 for a Verado service every 50 hours if trolling a lot (and if you want to look after your motor), but did it myself for $185, so not worth bothering splitting it up.
Skippers do lots of things most deckies dont realise, like buy $1000 props to reduce fuel consumption, that saves money for the deckies and that the skipper never gets to see again....haha.
Most skippers dont look to get costs back on things like insurance, rego, service etc (the joys of owning a boat), but splitting running costs is reasonable. I surely would not be able to afford to take my boat out as often otherwise.
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pale ale
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Myself and mate usually just
Myself and mate usually just take it turns to pay the fuel bill. If you are over or under by $30 who gives a shit. We probably just caught an esky full of red empereror and a few bilfish :)
bradz
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As an owner
As a boat owner, I would normally organise everything myself and just split the parking and fuel. Bait arrangements can be discussed prior to the trip. For me, I just want company if I am chasing a deckie. Some owners however need the deckie to make the costs reasonable. Nothing wrong with that.
Having been a deckie a few times I am more than willing to pay my way...just dont expect me to pay depreciation or anything else stupid.
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