Sharks and diving
With all that has happened with the sharks, I was thinking about what we as divers, could do to reduce the chances of becoming shark poo.
1, Shark shelds. ( 1 on you and 1 on the deco line )
2, Dive with a buddy ( 50/50 chance ).
3, Dont dive where there are seals.
4, Don't dive in overcast conditions.
5, Dont dive if its the wrong time of the month ( ladies only ).
6, Dont dive where there are a lot of pots ( bait in the water ).
7, Dont pee in your wetsuit.
8, If spearing fish, get them out of the water ASAP.
9, Camo wetsuit. ( yer this is ment to work ).
10, Stay away from working cray boats. ( sharks follow them for the old bait ).
11, Powerhead / Smokie. ( Fire arms Lic required ).
Feel free to add anything
PS, we have done the cull thing to death, so I hope this thread focuses on what we can do, as divers to reduce the risk.
Pete
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
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Look like a jig?
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Yer, was told that they work,
Yer, was told that they work, looks like someting from the 70's
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
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Hope he's surfing his local
Hope he's surfing his local break - if not the locals are gunna have fun with him!!
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camo
I read that somehwere about the camoflague wetsuits being a problem for them, thats interesting.
I personally after a long long lay off am about to get back into diving and will need to purchase a full kit so I will be looking for a camo wetsuit I think
Its hard to stay away from cray pots (bait) rotto and the 3 mile are covered with pots at the moment
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Most seem covered but Don't
Most seem covered but
Don't dive at Dusk/Dawn (used to love night dives the best myself)
Don't dive in murky water/runoff/after storms
Use a shark shield and dive with a mate not wearing one for odds of 25/75. :-)
(I prefer better odds)
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Sulo
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Seems the sunset and sunrise
Seems the sunset and sunrise as well as overcast are all myths.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-26/fisheries-unveil-new-guidelines-for-shooting-sharks/4393204
Point 1 here is also worth noting
http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/journal/blue-water-white-lies.htm
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"It comes alongside the boat
"It comes alongside the boat where it might already be dead,"
Ahh if it's dead it won't be coming alongside anything!!
No myth,
Those statistics aside (the ones he quotes relate to WA and may be correct for recent attacks in WA - not overall worldwide statistics) dusk and dawn are still bad times if purley for the fact in poor light (and also murky water) you are more likely to be attacked by being mistaken for a sharks natural prey. Ie what largely happens in Queensland's canals when a shark mistakes splashing for a school of fish or a shark mistaking your shilloette for a seal.
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Im not sure that smokies are
Im not sure that smokies are legal at all even with a licence. Being home made they wont have a serial number so they can even be licenced.
Is self defence while diving showing proven need?
Quite happy for someone to prove me wrong.
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Apparently they don't eat
Apparently they don't eat Pom's for some reason ... so wear socks and sandals instead of flippers .
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Smokies
Dodgy's correct .....Smokies are not legal in WA .
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it falls under category H
it falls under category H firearm underwater explosives device
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
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just found this googling
just found this googling smokey - possibly a legal alternative
http://www.jackwongsue.com/1970's_5.htm
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Well I guess if you follow
Well I guess if you follow all them rules you don't do much diving .If your in the wrong place at the wrong time then times up.
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I reckon carrying a speargun
I reckon carrying a speargun would help.
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Smokies are not legal as we
Smokies are not legal as we got caught with one fined $800,And took the smokey,Fisheries fine was $100 and unlicenced fire arm police fine $700
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That's because your didn't
That's because your didn't have it licensed.
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
petermac
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got nabbed
I got nabbed at onslow for one it was one of those manufactured ones , I had the local police sgts son on board at the time and had known the local cop for years , he really didn't have a choice but to charge me as a fisheries bloke spotted it on board and reported it to him when he searched the boat and confiscated a estuary cod that he claimed was a potato cod there was a big argument about the cod but he still took it but didn't write me up for it??? . I guess he thought getting done for the smokie was enough or maybe he was wrong when he looked at the cod again .The way it played out was local sgt came and saw me while we were having a bbq at the van park in onslow and said " I know you have a smokie Pete I need it " gave it to him he sat down had a few beers and then said "come by the station Monday I will have the local JP sort this " ended up with a 200 dollar fine and 50cents court costs
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As far as I know you cant'
As far as I know you cant' get a licence for a smokey, and licenced or not you are breaking seven fisheries regulation ,fisheries will fine you licenced or not . That is what I was told.
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Smokies are Illegal
I WA.and have been since the 1970S,the reason is,They Can be used on land,The only one that may have been legalised was one that used water pressur to fire.not a firing pin to detonate the round.The first has a round.a thumb screw or safety pin to arem,the second has only a water chamber,that MUST drain of all water in seconds to work this makes it impossible to use out of water.but Noone that I know of came up with one that met the WA police firerarms act.Another Idea was the use of CO2 cartridges,these were held in a cylinder type of unit with a needle about 75/100 mills long and two holes on either side,the idea was that if a shark came in close enough (A threat) the diver would arm this unit,(safety) shove the shaft/spear onto the shark,the needle would penertrate the sharks body (side or stomach) and the Co2 would discharge and fill the shark up,the trouble was,it took a second or more for the needle to expel enough CO2 and the shark would peel off as soon as it was pricked.As for the use of a smokie on land,I agree with the Police view ,they are a dangerous item,they can only be used close range,a couple of feet due to wieght and quite frankly,if I was that pissed off with someone to use a smokie I would use a knife,a lot quiter and can be just as dangerous>
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Reducing chances...
...of an attack while diving...make sure your buddy can't swim as fast as you...
hooty
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Underwater powerheads are
Underwater powerheads are legal in Western Australia if you have a permit to own one. Look up the firearms legislation act 1974, and as someone has allready noted catergory H. If the police decide to give you a permit or not is a different thing. If you have been fined for having one its because you didnt have a firearms permit to own it. As for its use Im sure fisheries has lots of scenarios where it is illegal, I cant imagine using it on a 5m great white that is trying to eat you would be one of them. Id like to see that one go through the courts. Here is an extract from the western australian firearms act .H2 clearly described as underwater explosive devise.
"it is for a firearm of category H2, and is granted or issued to a person who requires the firearm for the purposes of professional or recreational diving;"
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Thank you Hooty, think you
Thank you Hooty, think you will find that the police that will make it hard to get, but not imposible, think if you have an existing fire arms lic it may be easier.
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
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took me mate out 3km of the
took me mate out 3km of the back of bird island last sat, was all suited up doing last checks when i looked out back of boat n seen what i thought was gws at the time, when after watching grant bonds shark vs kayak footage def 3m mako sitting on top then just cruised off, was 55mins after gracetown attack, easy to make mistake id when hearts racing, went in a km n dived there, 1 cray, loop spring was spooking them. also seen 4.5m gws preggas same spot 2010, came up chasing port jackson, the girth was 2times depth of 4.2 dingy. the smell of tuna oil and recent whale migration, ban cage diving, even thou ive done it.
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walfootrot
you can actually get a licence for an under water explosive devise , as Wal has correctly said there is a fire arm category for them , but the only bloke to get a license for 1 was the legendary Jack Sue after that the cops refused to issue any more license's for them , that decision needs immediate reviewing Jack battled red tape and bureaucracy for years over it , oh by the way do you really think the water cops don't have a smokie up there wetty sleeve when they go in the water
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Smokies and Water Police Divers
I was helping the police divers when we pulled the 3 bodies from the water after the barge collision off Carnarvon about 5 years back and they didn't have smokies with them and they knew that there would be body fluids leaking to attract sharks
The chopper circling overhead had warned us that there was 3 big sharks there. All they had was shark shields.
Again was skippering the rescue boat doing sonar grid search for the decky that went missing while swimming to the dinghy from a trawler 2 years back. If something was spotted on the sidescan sonar two of the divers would go over to check it out, this time with no shark shields or smokey in an area well known for big tigers.
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shark shields
Ive heard that the shark shields themselves attrach sharks from the pulses and its only as they get to close that they repel them... doubt a big one with swim away from you but!