Some Perspective in this whole sordid matter.
Submitted by Dale on Mon, 2018-08-06 11:43
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-06/brayshaw-gaff-why-random-act-of-violence-is-shocking/10076978
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uncle
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Seems about
Right. Going to get some popcorn.
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Just another opinion.
Just another opinion.
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I kinda like this blokes
I kinda like this blokes opinion as well dale
Glenn Allan He's had a clean record, never reported, never fined in 10 years of football, you could plainly see his reaction after he realised what he'd done. As one of the Eagles top onballers he would have been tagged, punched, elbowed, niggled constantly through most games for the majority of his career.
He is actually friends with both Brayshaw brothers, was on the golf course with them last week
He simply made a mistake, no history to give reason not to take his word on it, simply a gut punch that has tragically gone wrong for Brayshaw.
He's not a thug, not a monster just a footballer that in the heat of the moment got it terribly wrong. Fort that he will pay for it in weeks but more so in the public bashing by hysterical people on the sidelines that don't know him, have never played the game and show zero thought for his own state of mind and mental health.
Judge the action, but don't pretend to know know enough to judge the person
P.S. Pies fan from Queensland.
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If the roles
If the roles were reversed the blow up in WA would be thermonuclear.
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Spot on Big John. I remember
Spot on Big John.
I remember some time back when Dean Cox got whacked by Ty Vickery.
Eagles supports on FW wanted Vickery hung, drawn and quartered and his guts fed to the dogs !
But when a Wet Toast Seagull infringes, well, he didn't really mean it, he's a nice guy !
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Its all camouflage
He'll get his just rewards
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NO NO NO Premier
You have got it so wrong.
I have just seen ch7 news on which the premier of this state stated 'that police involvement in situations like this should only occur in the most extreme cases' or words to that effect.
Standing behind the premier and slightly of to the left was non other than the WA Police commissioner.
Firstly whilst the premier is fully entitled to his opinion, he should not voice his opinion when the fall out of the assault which took place on the field of sport has yet to settle and the repercussions of such are still to be played out.
Secondly what he has done IMO is to place the commissioner of police in a very compromising position by making such a statement with the commissioner along side him when making such a statement on what are his beliefs are, which may or may not be according to the law.
Thirdly on the same news report a very prominent QC has put forward the view that such action that has occurred falls within the bounds of the law for serious criminal charges to be laid.
By making such a statement the premier has supplied every person who carries out a "cowards punch" to plead for a soft penalty based on the premiers publically expressed view of such an incident (unlawful assault or GBH)if it happens on a sporting field or regardless of where it occurs.
What's the commissioner of police going to say/do if someone makes a claim of unlawful assault/GBH hmmm, it's ok the premier doesn't think it's to serious so we will let it slide.
Some may say I'm drawing a long bow, but that is how I see things.
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Penalise him, hang him, give
Penalise him, hang him, give him 12 weeks, should have a red card, disgraceful...this is all bullshit...that was the softest so called king hit ever. Gaff Aimed for a shoulder or chest but unluckily and seriously unintentionally just flushed him...a dozen of the those type things happen every week and either they don’t connect or don’t do any damage/injury. This is just an unfortunate “accident” not thuggery or anything like.
Olde mate, charging him with assault is just crazy and wouldn’t be proven...pretty sure to charge him for GBH you need to prove intent...Nearly every angle shows no intent...he’s not aiming a punch for mine Gaff has head down about to make a break away from the player when he throws it. Bradshaw ducks into it....
glass jaw
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I’m with big John
had this been a pies player laying out an eagles player a few weeks ago when they played at the G, it would have caused a state wide uproar.
The fact it’s a so called “star” of the eagles (I’m stuffed if I know how he was ranked in the top 5 for Brownlow votes predictions) means fark all in my opinion. He threw the punch, did the damage, and now needs to pay the price for his actions. I agree that niggling punches get thrown all the time throughout a game nowadays (especially around boundary throw ins etc) but this was completely off the ball, uncalled for, and was a head high blow. (Obviously).
when Barry hall smacked Brent staker many years ago, I didn’t hear any eagles fans supporting him after the fact, saying it was out of character etc. the mood at that time was that Barry hall was a thug and should be banned for life. I’m not seeing a whole lot of difference in this scenario, but maybe that’s because I’m a one eyed pies supporter. Hahaha
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barry hall was a thug , he
barry hall was a thug , he had form going back over many years , he was also a pro /am boxer from memory .. he was standing and just turned to hit staker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZWaGwpA7Y0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLjAX1n1sIs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFPCqWnV3ks
hall has since done it again several times , just recently dropped a bloke behind play in the queensland footy final and been banned /removed again ….
https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/former-afl-bad-boy-barry-halls-brent-staker-like-punch-in-queensland-afl-grand-final-ng-b88611466z
.gaff has no prior form at all he was on the run as was brayshaw , get the footage , slow it down frame by frame and see how it unfolds, yes gaff , winds up his left with a clenched fist , but as he is doing so , brayshaw running alongside changes his position , bends his knees and lowers his body into the oncoming hit from gaff , it connects with his jaw ,gaff then looks away as he continues to run towards play , brayshaw goes down , but I doubt gaff , knew the damage he had done to him at that stage , it took a few minutes maybe to sink in on gaff what had resulted . I certainly don't think it was ever intended to hit him high in jaw , more a hard body blow to a muscled area
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Nailed it
Scano, sensible.
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Cant say I remember at state
Cant say I remember a state uproar when this happened
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If it was a so called
If it was a so called accident and he was actually a good mate of gaff then why did gaff not stop to help? He did not even look back to see if his Mate was alright.
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Exactly
Exactly your last statement says it all.
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As it’s turned out, Andy Brayshaw didn’t play golf with Gaff, never met the bloke. So it’s WCE who need to check the facts.
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Yawwwwwwwnnn
Yawwwwwwwnnn
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Arrogance
Typical eagle arrogance.
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Typical sniper
Typical sniper
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You blokes crack me up
Never hear the end of it if it was a pies player.
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Gaff gets 8 weeks
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Hezzy and Jack frost
You guys try to bring some form of normality to the conversation.
But hysterical ranting by opposition supporters is really poor form. Especially the Pies supporters.
Wouldn't most people admit it was a punch that turned out to be purely unlucky for all involved. For those that think he aimed for the jaw, honestly ???
Yes it has created a media storm, because the conscequence can outweigh the action. It is an emotional game, but heaven forbid supporters wanting to "fly the flag " for such events. We will end up seeing the ugly scenes that English soccer has produced over the years, and i am sure no one wants our great sport denergrated to that extent !!!
Common sense says it was a moment Andrew Gaff never intended, he will pay the time, and being a free agent he just might become a cheaper buy on the market for some free loading Victorian team who will take advantage of the situation.
And SCANO, he will be polling well up until Sunday.
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Well said mate, and yeah
Well said mate, and yeah some pretty lame and useless comments by some particular Pie supporters on here.
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LOL
If I could be bothered I'd post that Flight of the Concords song/clip 'I've got hurt feelings'.
Squared up to him, looked directly at him and drilled him. The AFL Tribunal and the vision supports that summation.
Bad luck for all concerned.
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Ha ha go back and reread all the coments
And tell me its just the collingwood supporters dribbling shit, think you contributed your share.
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Awesome! A double header.
Awesome! A double header.
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Uncle is just upset that
Uncle is just upset that Brayshaw didn't lose enough teeth to be traded to the Pies
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
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Nurrrh keep him with your kind
Like lewis, mastiff fits right in.
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Rat Pack
Pies had the rat pack, WC putting together a dog squad.
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Led my Chris 'Toothmarks'
Led my Chris 'Toothmarks' Masten.
What are the Pies called now 'the infirmary'?
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Gaff: “Peope that I’ve
Gaff: “Peope that I’ve spoken too... know the world of pain I’m in, how much I’m suffering...”
Probably not as much a Brayshaw champ. Don’t play the victim card.
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You would get a job on
You would get a job on channel Baz as well with the selective editing of the press conference you've just done.
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Thats the best post yet John
Thats the best post yet John :-)
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We need the weather to come good
Everyone on here is suffering from lack of being able to get out fishing syndrome. We need to get rods and reels back in our hands, and get away from the keyboard warrior banter.
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brayshaws father in the link
brayshaws father in the link below
take my hat of to him for his generous and understanding perspective in the interviews
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/afl/brayshaw-familys-stunning-call-over-punch/ar-BBLDajE?ocid=spartandhp
https://thewest.com.au/sport/west-coast-eagles/andrew-gaff-hit-andrew-brayshaws-dad-sympathises-with-west-coast-midfielder-ng-b88921337z
The father of western derby punch victim Andrew Brayshaw has said his family has no interest in seeing West Coast’s Andrew Gaff punished any further — instead offering his sympathy to the banned Eagle.
Speaking after tonight’s tribunal result, Mark Brayshaw said his interest was in the “two Andrews”, not in any criminal action
“We hope (Andrew Gaff) can get through it, there has been nowhere to hide. I hope he can move forward quickly. My third son Hamish is going to put the two of them together quickly, I hope so they can shake hands and move on,” Mr Brayshaw said.
“None of us have any interest whatsoever in anything other than what happened tonight. It is a rotten bit of luck — and personally I am absolutely convinced he meant to give him a good whack in the chest.”
Andrew Gaff was handed an eight-week ban for the bunch on Brayshaw.Brayshaw said his son was in good spirits, and praised the Dockers for their care for the player and his family in a tumultuous 48 hours.
Gaff handed eight-week ban
‘“The support from the Dockers, the staff and the president has been first class,” Mr Brayshaw said.
Currently, the CEO of the AFL Coaches Association, Brayshaw said he also hoped Gaff could overcome what the Eagles midfielder said had been the worst 48 hours of his life.
“We hope and he hopes he has a long career and this is a speed hump – he is going to miss the last three games, but he is going to be ready for the start of next year,” Mr Brayshaw said.
“Once we established his jaw wasn’t too bad, our interest swung to the broader issue which was the reaction in Perth and the Gaff family, and Andrew in particular – if I could I would shake his hand … a double handshake to wish him well, and hope he can find his feet and move on.”
Gaff received an eight-week ban from the AFL tribunal on Tuesday night over the punch which broke the jaw of the Fremantle rookie, the younger brother of Demons midfielder Angus.
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No winners
no winners in this. There rarely is.
the Bradshaw family has conducted themselves extremely well.
8 weeks seems reasonable. Hopefully all the noise now dies down.
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Mr Brayshaw
Ive gotta say that Mr Brayshaw has showed more grace in the past 48 hours than almost any public figure I have seen in Australia over the past 25 years.
Father of the year material right there!
For all those saying that Gaff is playing the victim in any way are deluding themselves. Gaff comes across much like my son. When he does something wrong he wears the shame and cant let it go. Gaff would be far more concerned (by quite a magnitude) with the result of his actions and the self loathing ,not just the impression he has left on his character. The penalty of 8 weeks would not even be on his mind right now. I reckon if they said to him "we'll make the ban 1 season and all is forgiven" he would take it in a heart beat. Remorse/regret is a powerful emotion.
Now feel free to jump on me and say that this is a weak response.
I did then the best that I knew how. When I knew better, I did better.
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Nailed it Bradz
Nailed it Bradz
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Savage indeed
Surely that was no accident
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Yeh , seen that this morning
Yeh , seen that this morning and had a laugh. Can't possibly be a coincidence.
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im just dissapointed we
im just dissapointed we didnt get a 4th post on this murder case.