the truth of Anzacs and Gallipoli

 ok, long time since I opened a can of worms...

so here goes,

My son came home spouting all this bravado about the Anzacs at Gallipoli and how we need to go the war momorial again  ( as we do every year I may add) to honour the great services fo the men at Gallipoli that died to protect our freedom!

 

"hold on wait " I told my son, thats not the truth!, but he said his teacher had told them and the local RSL chap too!

How many of us know the real truth of the Turkish invassion of the first world war and what really Gallipoli stands for.

No disrespect to our diggers, fallen men and heroism, BUT  how from the TRUTH has it gone, is Anzac a day of saying sorry for invading another country at British order and sacrificing our young soldiers.

 Or has it been turned by twists of Spin-doctor’s into Aussie  battlers fighting for the freedom and liberation of Australia. ( which it was very far from)

 

 Now before laying the boot in read this first from the Autralian War Memorial:

http://www.awm.gov.au/wartime/38/article/

 

and this:

 http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/onesided-thinking-on-gallipoli-an-injustice-20100423-tj50.html#ixzz1svU5o6rz

 

I have a major problem with  my son being lead to glorify the killing of young men in absolute mess of a war.

I would rather he stood to silence for respect of those fallen for choices they did not make and for wars started by old men in the back lines with no respect for human life.

 

Have we lost the true meaning of Anzacs and Gallipoli??? have we spun it into something it's not 

AND WOULD WE LET JAPANESE PEOPLE COME AND CELEBRATE THEIR INVASSION OF OUR LANDS ON OUR SOILS? 

(because thats what we do every year in Turkey. When we should be saying sorry and forgivence for our men slaughtered there.)

As some one who has seen the ugly pointed side of war firs thand, this is close to my heart!

just my views

Tony

 

 

 

seems many will kick, punch and hit out at me without reading what I put up.

I rest my case boys, you did not read, absorb and see the point!

This was never an attack on Anzacs ro the day or Australians, but a statement that it's being twisted by pollitical views and since 9/11 into something it never was.

It was about the commoradery and never leaving your mate behind, it was about standing by your fellow serviceman.

yes insert later to prove a point!

 

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hmmmm

Tue, 2012-04-24 16:04

I see your point!

But dont agree with it...  Its like anything, everyone can interpret it in different ways.... 

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 has the last fifteen years

Tue, 2012-04-24 12:53

 has the last fifteen years been a change from remebering and respecting the dead to now a glorification of war to protect freedom and democracy.

Has 9/11 and the War on Terror effected our remembrance of those that fallen???

War is bad, end of stroy, No winners, just both sides loosing good men for reasons known only to the generals and pollies

 

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all i can say is that you are

Tue, 2012-04-24 12:58

all i can say is that you are as brave as the ANZAC legion for posting this today!

perception and reality, is there really a difference?

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fair point though, the links

Tue, 2012-04-24 13:02

fair point though, the links made interesting reading.  I agree about it being wrong to celebrate the invasion of a country (then again - we do that on Australia day - there is another can of worms to open).........

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Thanks Tony

Tue, 2012-04-24 13:03

A bit of history i was unaware off, with my limited knowledge the attack was on Gemany's allies who were Turkey, and from memory the Germans were trying to take over in a big way.

To me its a day to remember our fallen, who were fighting for our freedom..end of story.

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Tue, 2012-04-24 13:34

i dont think anyone in there right mind can glorify war but as previously said it is a time to think and reflect on past tradgedies of war and remember the fallen men and women who have served there country and paid the ultimate sacrifice .

 

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Here we go.......'Because

Tue, 2012-04-24 14:24

Here we go.......'Because thats what we do every year in Turkey. When we should be saying sorry and forgivence for our men slaughtered there.' Fucken sorry for what? It is remembering the Australian and New Zealand Army Corp members who didnt come home. Not how many Turks they killed. I assume you have been to Turkey? They absolutely love Aussies and Kiwi's - far cry for what you are trying to portray. I bet there isnt a 'Say sorry for what the Boers' did to the African tribesmen' Day in Jaarpie land? Because then there would have to be a 'Sorry for fucking you Dutch Boers up'  Day from the Zulu's. No-one would win.

People like you are the only ones that look at the half empty glass that is no doubt the wrong colour and made by an overpaid, Australian Labour voter and say remembering the fallen is glorifying their action of 100 years ago.

Of all times to bring this shit up.

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lastchance mate go read it

Tue, 2012-04-24 14:51

lastchance mate go read it again and see what I said.

 

your half cocked shoot off and rage is not needed.

Learn your histroy, get the facts and come back and tell me what the Australian War Musseum posted was wrong.

The funny thing is to become an Australian citizen I had to learn about all this and get the facts for my test.

Many Aussies only remember parts of what they learnt at school and pub talk and pollie talk.

 

ps dont get started on the boer war mate,,,, you on a hidding to nowhere there, as first concetration camps ever where British formed to keep Boer woman and children in and Australian soldier enforced.

I'm not opening that can today.

 

my point was we should honour and remember the dead, not the glory of war!

 

 

oh and I brought it up because of crap being sprouted to my kid and his mates about war and tomorrows rememberance.

We been at 5 services in 8 years since being here, How many have you been too?

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Seriously Tony? What were you

Tue, 2012-04-24 17:07

Seriously Tony? What were you expecting someone to say when you start with your usual Holier than thou bullshit. Just another angled history lesson to assert your authority on yet another subject. Learn my history? How many services have I attended? Who do you think you are? Re-read what I wrote mate and dont jump the gun with your usual arrogant rhetoric. Funny though, seems your family members were in every war that my family were in as well. Must be hard being so similar to a commoner like me.

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Thats pretty low Tony

Tue, 2012-04-24 14:40

Family members of mine have fallen fighting in the Boer War vs the UK, WW1 fighting for both England/France, ie Allies but also fighting for Germany in South West Africa ( X boer warriors that hated the Poms so much they fought against the government of the day, after the concentration camps killed their woman and children) and in WW2.

I dont remeber or care who they fought against, its the memory of what sacrifice was made. And since I have been in Australia now for 35yrs, I also honour this countries fallen soldiers for what they have sacrificed, and I chose to remember all off them on ANZAC day.

Its pretty crappy IMO saying something like that the day before we HONOUR FALLEN SOLDIERS, not honour war.

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 mate you know where I come

Tue, 2012-04-24 15:00

 mate you know where I come from.

I remember and stand in silence for respect of those that have died in all wars, be what ever side they fought on.  And tomorrow we ( my son and I ) will stand again at a dawn service as we always do.

I have had family in the boer war, WW1, WW2 and other conflicts, and served myself.

what I'm saying is it's no longer being put forward as Honour of those fallen, it's being twisted into something of a political thing to fight for freedom, democracy and justify why we at war in places.

 

our own VC hero Cpl Ben himself spoken this morning on radio about our " warriors"

Thats wrong we not a warrior nation! at least I hope we not, we have soldiers that serve to protect. Not warriors that go to war to conquer.

 

So read what I said again and what I linked too!

 

Tomorrow should be a day of respect to those that have fallen and remembering no body wins at war, remembering that those many millions that died where tinkers, taylors, welders, farmers and shop keepers.

not trained warriors in many cases!

 

 

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You got it wrong

Tue, 2012-04-24 14:40

ANZAC celebrates all the ANZAC men & women who have made the ultimate sacrifice in all wars that have been fought. Gallipoli is the centrepiece of the cellebrations because of the bravery shown by the ANZAC's in the face of overwhelming terrain and opposition as well as the stupidy of the British Command. Never did the disobey a command given.

I suggest you read the book - Gallipoli - to get an insite as to what actually happened.

Don't forget it was the Germans who started it - we just wanted to finish it and go home, or you might be speaking german or japanese today.

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 Iceman true words, I have

Tue, 2012-04-24 15:05

 Iceman true words, I have read a lot more about Gallipoli than most Aussies have.

But Turkey was never part of the fight, the British dragged them into it by invassion to get at the Eastern front and to support the Russians.

 

World War one was a battle of swinging dicks between the British empire, Prussian ( German ) Empire and a load of cousins who where kings and princess squabbling with mens lives like pawns on a chess board.

 

my great Grandfather served in WW1 and always said it was the saddest part of his life. tow uncles and a grandfather served in WW2 as well. in fact an entire family tree is dominated by miltary members.

 

And we grateful for their time served to ensure what we have today.

Just never glorify war. 

 

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The articles mentioned by

Tue, 2012-04-24 15:03

The articles mentioned by Tony are somebody's personal opinion, and an interpretation of the facts they choose to display in their books.

I too could look at all the information in those articles, and come up with my own version, however slightly different.

Journalists write articles to invoke an emotion, otherwise we would read half way through and then stop from boredoom.

Everybody has their own personal opinion on Anzac day, for me, I have nothing but pride, I try not to get caught up in the bull and take time out to remember my grandfather in my own way.

I know mostly what he did in the war, and the parts I dont know, that one's he kept to himself, he took those to the grave.

I don't just thank him on ANZAC day, I thank him everyday.

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 yes I agree, we need to

Tue, 2012-04-24 15:11

 yes I agree, we need to remember them every day.

and the view is from the readers point of looking and the writers side.

 

http://www.awm.gov.au/atwar/gallipoli.asp

http://www.anzacsite.gov.au/

this an australian goverment site and so represents the official goverment war museum and memorials view of the war,

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallipoli_Campaign

the outside Australia view.

 

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What are you on about Tony,

Tue, 2012-04-24 15:07

What are you on about Tony, it's always been a day of remembrance for lost soldiers nothing more nothing less.

 

When has it ever been about the glorification of Gallipoli, everyone knows we got our arses kicked and we are commerating the loss of soldiers. One thing it has NEVER been is an apology for invading.

 

The fact that we have a shitload of bogans and a public holiday means that not everyone pays their respect, instead some treat it as Australia day part 2. Maybe that is what is upsetting you..but I still have no idea what your point it. Just because a child doesn't know the history doesn't mean the rest of us are ignorant also.

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 Well i hope so, cause in the

Tue, 2012-04-24 15:17

 Well i hope so,

 

cause in the last few days I have not only heard rememberance of the fallen, but too much glorification on the day of war and warriors.

 

what my son said to me is what got me started and the views beign given to him by others! He is being lead to believe the wrong history. 

How many of us review of knowledge of history and still bank on what we remember from school or a war flick or a doco on SBS???

 

and yes your last statement says it all! too many bogans with flags on their shoulders and beers in their hands that will never stand up and fight for their land and loved ones when called for like the millions that died in wars before.

once you been to war, you will know how futile and cruel and pointless the killing is.

Ask any returned serviceman.

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Iceman knocked it on the head

Tue, 2012-04-24 15:07

 As far as I'm aware Anzac is to celebrate all service men and women. Gallipoli was a a war of many stuff ups but we celebrate the bravery and commitment of the naive young men and women. As far as letting the Japanese come over they should as I plan on going to Gallipoli in 2015 I think your very brave bringing it up hahah

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Pretty ordinary form Tony

Tue, 2012-04-24 15:14

Picking appropriate times again to give yourself air-space and to bang you personal drum. I don't give a rats arse about your opinions or your background. ANZAC day is the day we all take time out to honour the fallen and to pay respect to the poor bastards getting their arses shot at while still in active service. Tony, you speak like you are the master of all subjects (thanks to Google). Fortunately we have some other forms of intelligence in here. You have had your say now sit back and wait for the avalanch of responses saying pretty much the same thing... F#@K off Tony and let us all pay our respects in our own way.

 

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Well said vince

Tue, 2012-04-24 15:24

 

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Couldnt agree more Vince.

Tue, 2012-04-24 17:12

Couldnt agree more Vince.

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Vince

Tue, 2012-04-24 17:42

We haven't always seen eye to eye, but you've hit this nail straight on the head. F%$^ off Tony.

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Eye to eye?

Tue, 2012-04-24 19:41

Arrrr me harty. LOL we may never see eye to eye but we will always respect each other and have a good time I am sure

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Very brave or just dumb, to

Tue, 2012-04-24 15:24

Very brave or just dumb, to even post this at this time shows you have no idea.if you have a problem with what your kid is being taught go see the school. If you havent got it in 8 years and go to the service and brag youve been 5 times,then post this. I mean why do you go at all?

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Just because your child's teacher

Tue, 2012-04-24 15:28

 Doesn't know shit from clay, I wouldn't take that as the reason we australians all celebrate Anzac day, maybe your son misunderstood or maybe his teacher got it wrong. it's an Australian and new Zealand rememberence that foreigners don't need to be part of nor have a need to criticize.

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Commemoration

Tue, 2012-04-24 15:42

not celebration Tony...big difference look that up and if you have a problem with the attitude of australians the doors always open..

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 yes Chirs thats right, it's

Tue, 2012-04-24 15:49

 yes Chirs thats right, it's about commemoration, respect and giving honour to the fallen.

 

 

thats it no more comments.

 

bad decesion of mine to raise this,

Adam, lock and delete!

 

 

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Weak

Tue, 2012-04-24 18:48

Go cry for help elsewhere.

you are the arrogant fool that is deliberately stirring the bees nest, and you have no mates on this site tony.

I read every link and post you put up regarding this, but yet fail to see how you came to the conclusion that the media is contorting this in any form. Further still, it is my belief that you are so blinded with arrogance, that whatever you read, gets constrewed in your sick little pea brain, to support any twisted view you would like it to.

Tony Halliday, you are a f**king scumbag.

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Tue, 2012-04-24 18:52

 Your a legend

 

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Fuck me

Tue, 2012-04-24 15:44

Last time I checked this was a fishing site,

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You Don't Understand the True Meaning

Tue, 2012-04-24 15:48

Just because you google some articals and studied for some test doesn't make you an expert, Big deal in your 8 years in Australia you have been to five services, Maybe we should give you a medal?

ANZAC day is a deep part of Australias young modern history ingrained into our culture and the the ANZAC's at Gallipoli is just the trigger for something much larger, it is not about politics it is about ALL the brave men and women who loss or put their lives at risk for their country when called on.

Now lucky for you this is a free country were you can pretty much say what you want but it also means I can reply however I like, so in the words of Uncut Trigger F#@K off Tony, and in my words you are a first class tosser and while you may have passed a citizen test with views like this you are not a true Australian. If you don't like ANZAC day, the reasons for it or how it come about then F#(k Off back to were you came Ar$eh&le.

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Anzac day to me is a day to

Tue, 2012-04-24 16:01

Anzac day to me is a day to thank past and present diggers for the sacrifices they have made to make this such a great country. It's not about if we should have been involved in one war or another for what ever reasons.

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Pilbara Dave, what you said

Tue, 2012-04-24 16:05

Pilbara Dave, what you said mate, was to gobsmacked and angry to put what i felt into more than a couple of sentences.

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 not my views but the views

Tue, 2012-04-24 16:30

 not my views but the views of those at Dept of Vet affairs!

read it and tell me I had the wrong idea when I started this thread.....

 

http://www.news.com.au/national/fury-at-anzac-day-centenary-divisive-fears/story-e6frfkvr-1226309777159

 

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Give it up Tony. Your Trolling

Tue, 2012-04-24 17:02

And heading into even deeper water mate. Guess what folks.. another Google link. If this was tomorrow Tony and we were discussing this over a beer I would probably flatten you! I am not sure the crowd would intervene either.

Just as an aside from the "knowledge man" my G/father was a war correspondent on the Boer war and others at that time. He experienced what what really happening and wrote 2 auto-biographys about it. I have both in my book case and will treasure them because they were critically aclaimed at the time. He was left wing so not scared of telling things as he saw them. In fact, he spent a period in jail because of his expressed views and wrote 3 more books while doing time in there. Post as many Google articles as you like mate. Your credibility here has taken a hammering in a matter of hours.

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ANZAC for me

Tue, 2012-04-24 17:09

is remembrance of all those fallen in War. 

I hate war, war doesn't resolve anything but leave young men and women dead. 

 

I think of what my fathr went thru, hanging off a life raft, his legs slowly getting pickled in salt water, as the injuried were on the life raft, I remember what he did, swam back to the ship and made it sink so the Germans couldn't get it, then swam back and was in the ocean dangling off a life raft, 

I remember how his twin brother in Holland was sent to Sibera by the Nazi's while his wife 9 kids,   cousins were starving, I remember when Uncle Jent escaped, came back to Monnikerdam, fought in the Resistance, killed farmers sheep so he could feed his family after curfew.  I remember when the people of Monnikerdam hid Jewish families from the SS, yes I remember all aspects of war.

 

ANZAC DAY IS TO REMEMBER ALL THAT HAVE FALLEN IN WAR. 

 

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 ozzi ozzi ozzzzzi!

Tue, 2012-04-24 17:22

 ozzi ozzi ozzzzzi!

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History lesson

Tue, 2012-04-24 17:35

Tony as far as I know, the japanese have no reason to come here to celebrate/commorate.

They never invaded or attempted to invade Australia.

Dropped quite a few bombs but as far as I know, no japanese soldiers landed here except as POW's?

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A little searching around,

Tue, 2012-04-24 19:24

A little searching around, can sometimes yield some fascinating info about conflicts that what isnt often mainstreamed published. There were quiet a few Japanese landing on Mainland Australia Pre WW2(reconnaisance) and during the War. Even some areas very close to us here in Perth. Some of those landings occured around the Jurien Bay area, hence why there are Concrete bunkers long since forgotton hidden amongst the dunes or covered by drifting sands.

Interestingly there was even the memoirs of a Japanese Submarine Commander during WW2 where he commented about sitting just off the coast of Cottesloe litstening to the music playing at the club. The transcript is actually at Rottnest island at the Guns Museam.

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aha

Tue, 2012-04-24 19:37

Buz I certainly stand corrected then. I was under the impression having read that a couple of skeletons were found buried on Garden Island of possibly aisin (Jap?) origin. And that these were thought to be a one off.

 

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I think the debate is fair enough

Tue, 2012-04-24 17:57

Just look at the statements,  ozzi ozzi ozzzzzi! , Anzac day to me is a day to thank past and present diggers. etc etc  And yet the word ANZAC means Australia and New Zealand army corps. So every thing is good provided you arn't from NZ or another country.

The ANZAC's were a combined force from Australia and New Zealand under british comand and under a british flag. They were a small contigiant that was part of the Dardenalls Campain. 

The only place the ANZACs fought was at Galipoli and on the Western front. There are no ANZACS in Iraq, Afganistan. In fact have ANZACS severed as that since?.

To me I would prefer more empasis on a remberance service that represented all wars and all service personal.

I feel particuarly sad about the Yanks who turned back an invasion force headed for Australia, many lost their lives, but don't get a mention. But for them we would be speaking Japanesse. I am talking about the battle of the Coral Sea.

  
         

 

  
         
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I know its emotive

Tue, 2012-04-24 18:08

I know its an emotive subject, please just keep the swearing to a minimum or ##^#% it for the kids who read.

Cheers.

 

RIP grandpa.  Lest we forget.

http://www.awm.gov.au/research/people/honours_and_awards/person.asp?p=357600

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That is a good site Adam

Tue, 2012-04-24 19:14

 I wish i could find out what my grandfather did or even went.His file is locked down and they will tell us nothing.  All we know is the stories he told us while in aged care and that he was sent in unaided ahead of the troops to gather intel and limit opposition activity.  He was wounded a couple of times and he had to sew himself up and get himself out.  On one mission several troops gave thier lives just to get him and his info out.  I WILL and so will my children and their children remember not only my grandfathers sacrifice but those that gave their lives to get him out.  His job was to limit the damage sustained by our forces overseas.  My job is to raise my kids as best i can in a free nation that he and others from my family and every other Aussie family at the time gave thier lives to aquire.  I got married on Anzac day and after my fathers speach there was not a dry eye in the house.I DONT CARE what ANYONE has to say about anything BUT if you in anyway run down the diggers YOU play with fire.Lest we forget.  My family will be at the dawn service tomorrow then the day with the family. How ever you choose to spend the day is up to you but just remember the spirits of those  that got us this far.And continue to do so.

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tony

Tue, 2012-04-24 18:23

to me it sounds like disrespect ...sometimes there needs to be action taken(war) ..part off our lives ..i never norm get involved with posts like this ...or politics ..but it seems this one you took to far..quiet obvious you read a lot ...same when someone gets killed by shark...you stick up for shark.???? you  got me bloke...anzacs where legends (balls off steal in my books) ...there should be no discussion about subject at all ..who really nows full truth ,you me...i dont think so...i suppose killing sadam and bin was wrong.???mate no disrespect but enough is enough..

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All is quiet

Tue, 2012-04-24 18:34

All is quiet on the Western Front!

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I cant believe what Ive read

Tue, 2012-04-24 19:28

I cant believe what Ive read here , Tony Halliday you are unworthy .

 

Please do us all a favour and GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY .

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Well said allrounder.dont

Tue, 2012-04-24 19:29

Well said allrounder.

dont bother commenting here much anymore ,,but

Tony you take the cake #$%&&$#!@#$%#^&*%$&*&^&*(()ing know all...... PPPPPFFFFFTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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You #$%&ing Clown Tony

Tue, 2012-04-24 19:43

You must have shit for brains to post something so sentimental at this time of the year. Or are you just someone who has no respect for others who have lost family member at war, some sons and daughters of this generation. You must just love a stir, heartless $%ick. 

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Locked

Tue, 2012-04-24 19:44

Thread has been locked at Tony's request as the creator.

Most of you know what tomorrow is all about and I'm sure will treat it as such.

Cheers,

Adam

 

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shot himself

Tue, 2012-04-24 19:44

in foot ... ..all through my school years ...they always said how brave they where ..and we have a country like we have thanks to our soldiers ..nothing can change that in my mind..nothing wrong with having your own opionion ..when it comes to our people who serve our country ..unless its positive keep it to yourself...our soldiers ,navy and air force best in world ..they leave there loved ones behind even today ..gone for months and months at a time.sometimes never returning ..stand up at anzac day and explain how everyone has got it wrong and your right...l.o.l ...HEAD SHOT ...respecting adam wishes .,.cant say what i really want... if you want your son thinking that way  up to you . not cool in my books.......