What if?
Submitted by Adam Gallash on Wed, 2010-08-18 16:41
Here's a question for you, how many of you guys will still do your trips north if the possession limits for the north were halved as well as your catch limit, some thing along the lines of what you Perth guys have now?
One can only assume seeing as a quarter of the state has been already changed it won't be long before they change the rest of it. So will you give it a miss or do the fillets not matter?
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SamC
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The fillets don't even cross
The fillets don't even cross my mind for a second!
Wouldn't change my decision thats for sure...
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STEVE231
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Possession Limits
I would still fish up north if the same rules applied up there as they do here.
Plenty of people think nothing of spending big dollars to only fish "catch and release" I would just alter what I targeted.
carnarvonite
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Worry
It doesn't affect me now but if I was still living and working down south and doing a Gnaraloo trip once and sometimes twice a year in addition to the normal trip up with the missus, I'd definitely be giving it a lot of thought.
We still used to go fishing from Two Rocks regularly then but the northern trips were something to look forward to, catching up with long time mates doing the same trip from Busso. With fuel , accomodation and beer prices rising it would make it an expensive exercise now a days.
Still do the trips up to Exmouth from Carnarvon but the reason for doing it is two fold, see the kids and grandkids first and drop a line in is a distant second
till
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Probably just spend more
Probably just spend more time on fast fish!
Seaquest
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Wouldn't stop me from going.
Wouldn't stop me from going. I go up north purely for fun not to fill a freezer.
I would still go if it was a complete no take zone. Get plenty of fillets down here but can't find any marlin.
Percula
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Last couple of times I have
Last couple of times I have been I haven't brought anything home!
In it for the sport/fun/scenery - not for rape and pillage and feed myself for the next 6 months.
Sure we eat fish while up there, but not filling my freezer up.
Buz
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Still would go up, 90% of
Still would go up, 90% of the fishing i do when up at Exmouth is trolling, mainly for Billfish which you release anyway. Sometimes get the Macks, Tuna, Dollies and Wahoo, will usually keep a couple of them to eat. Muck around off the shore for Spanglies at night too.
I think last time i went up there with my mate we only brought back a quater what we could have each. And that was mainly to keep my girlfriend happy for ditching her for two weeks. Was all Spanish Mack and NBT anyway.
hlokk
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Wouldnt matter at all. I
Wouldnt matter at all. I think it would be a good thing actually. Too many people consider it a failed trip unless they 'bag out'. Halving a limit would hopefully reduce the number of people who count the sucess of a trip on how many kilos of fillets they get.
No problems with people bringing back fillets (its nice to have some northern fish at times other than say an annual holliday) but to some people the 20kg number is a quota not a limit....
Would be nice to cut the number of people who only go to rape and pillage (keeping some doesnt automatically put you into that category though)
Only allowed 10kg at the abrolhos, and that still a lot of fish.
Lamby
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Agree with what appears the
Agree with what appears the general consensus here, had many trips up north were I haven't bothered bringing back fillets. One of the greatest pleasures I have with trips up north is living of what is caught that day etc best as fresh as you get seafood banquets, not bothered with filling the freezer.
Shorty
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I fished Exmouth for a week
I fished Exmouth for a week in May and never kept a fish, so it will not worry me,,,
We had 3 folks in the cabin, 2 fish were kept all week, so it will not bother them either,,
Hazell
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I would be more likely
I've only been up there once and will be again soon. We were camping and out of everything I caught from shore, boat and yak, I just kept a couple of spanglies and 1 mackeral... Nothing came home, only kept a few dinners worth for our stay.
Less abuse would mean more fish.. perfect for a C&R fisho!
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damo6230
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wouldn't change a thing
its about the experience, not the fillets.
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No would still be in town
No would still be in town .Its a nice change from Perth life .Would just spend more time on the billies.
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uncle
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no problems
happy to have a tug a war and release everything,its allways been about the fun
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scotto
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honestly, yeah
that actually would affect my trips. I would still go though.
its not that we "bag out" every time we're there, but to bring home some fish is a nice reward for the time/money i spend on gear/boats/etc. it definately isnt totally why i fish, but it is a reason.
funny, how taking fish home these days is becoming a bit old school hey?
dagree
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I'd be happy
just to get up there!!!
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Berin
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Arrgh, there be smugglers aplenty
Already I am sure there are plenty of people who abuse the bag limits, I do not think that there many that are willing to say so on an online forum. I must myself confess to having taken more than I was allowed and, well, now I have guilt. great. I will not do it again but I am STOKED that I did not get caught.
How the hell can the smallest fisheries force on the planet can police it is another question.
Sorry, I would always still go. Always.
DhuBoi
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as the passion for fishing
as the passion for fishing is there , i would still go fishing up north if the bag limit was halved . Just for the experience of going out and catching awesome quality fish dermersal and game fish just for the fun thrill and some photos . and great weather. although it like everything i dont expect to bag out everytime , but getting a feed of fish would be great. but on that note fish in a freezer dosnt last forever so there is no point taking 20kg of fillets in my opinion thats just a waste how much fish can you really eat in a couple of months. fishing for me is more passion and fun and if i get a decent feed awesome.
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Nothing wrong with having some fun, and also bringing home some nice red skinned fillets!
20kg is fair on an annual trip, but if it drops to 10kg, that's not a worry for me either.
On a side note, wilderness fishing areas where the only fish allowed to be kept is whats going to be eaten on that day would not be a bad alternative to lock em up marine parks.
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hlokk
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Heard that recfish was
Heard that recfish was looking for that on the eastern side of the gulf in exmouth, and I think its a good idea.
DazSamFishing
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Wouldn't worry me. I still
Wouldn't worry me. I still have the passion to fish different environments for different fish species. Plus, 20kg of fillets for Sam & I is simply too much.
Rig
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maybe not
1 spanish mackeral we caught recently at 32.5 kilo was more than 1 persons bag limit in fillets, how many people would stop fishing after catching that on say the first day of a trip and as with all mackeral caught of the rocks unreleasable. to catch 20kg of snapper is another thing.
DhuBoi
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20kg of fillets in my
20kg of fillets in my opinion Daz is to much even for a family of five like ourselves hats alot of fish in any case and like i said in my post how much fish can ya eat in a few months lol
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Adam Gallash
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spaniards
Bit of a tough one Rig. It would make visiting certain fishing locations almost pointless. Not sure how fisheries would over come that one.
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Rig
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yeah thats my point adam in
yeah thats my point adam in my opinion some species are different to others in so many ways but from a fisheries perspective once its filleted they aren't gonna dna test it to see what species it is.
the other point is that if they could be successfully released it wouldnt be a problem
jay_burgess
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I live up north anyway but
I live up north anyway but it wouldn't change the way I fish at all. I'm 90% catch and release sport fishing but I'm an opportunist and if something tasty jumps on my line I'll usually keep it for feed to eat fresh but I never even come close to a bag limit. I fish for fun not for food.
Faulkner Family
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it wouldnt change our trips
it wouldnt change our trips away at all.yeah its nice to take a few good feeds home . even half possession limits would be a fair wack of fillets. going north is more than fishing anyway, its a great way to escape the city and relax
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Alan James
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Which is worse
Raping and pillaging 20kg of fillets on the annual trip north or taking 1kg of fillets each fortnight in the metro area?
Lucky Tim
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Bringing home my possession
Bringing home my possession limit doesn't even get a thought when I'm planning a trip. Any fillets coming home with me is a bonus.
But if it stops people going, all the better for me with less boats out there.
till
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Haha, pretty much what I
Haha, pretty much what I thought!
Tony Halliday
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I pretty much never get a
I pretty much never get a full limit anyways and it's not my goal for going. I'd be happy with a 10kg take home limit when going north and enough fish everyday for a family feed when we there.
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Mick
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Certainly wouldn't stop me
Certainly wouldn't stop me from heading north at all. As said its more of escaping and heading to warm waters. One thing of note though, We see a lots less fishing punters, with and without boats, here in Kalbarri since the changes. There is only one charter boat here now in comparison to 4 when I first moved here. The bloke that runs the billabong roadhouse has said that he is seeing more boats heading up that way than previous years. So one good thing about the whole state having the same reg's would spread the pressure and the tourism dollars.
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Buz
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Spreading the pressure would
Spreading the pressure would be good, instead of the border towns just getting hammered. Ive noticed alot more boats using Windy Harbour since the changes in the times i have been down there. Good thing the weather is usually that treacherous down there it keeps most people from going out most of the time, including me :)
Jody
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Yeah .... Na
I'm not for it at all, ...... and I've never taken 20kgs ...ever!!
Infact I think it would totally suck
I reckon this one would cause an total uproar in all the coastal towns
Now, as to better enforcement of the current regulations, that, is another matter entirely!
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Adam Gallash
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bump
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Dicey
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Would still go up there for
Would still go up there for sure, to me fishing up North is more of a exotic experience.
Man Overboard
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We eat fish at least once a
We eat fish at least once a week, 5 in the family and at least 1 kilo pe sitting.
After our trips up north i am stoked to bring home my bag limit, time you sort out the mother in law as well as your own folks there is enough to cry-vac for a few months.
It;s not hard to do the maths on the cost of buying fish nowdays. So if we are lucky enough to bring home 20 kg of fillets, then that's about $ 800 money saved for the next trip.
I have been to Gnarloo and seen freezers packed tight, get sent to Canarvon for the freight to Perth, then the empty freezer brought back to camp to top up again, rinse and repeat.
I'm glad we have stopped that
Tony Halliday
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must agree with you
must agree with you Man-Overboard.
only way a family can eat fish three times a week is if they buy the imported mud-carp/bassa/whateveritis fish.
We wanted a piece of dhuie last weekend to grill, but at $65/kg at the local fishmonger here, we just kept walking by! Just could not get myself to pay that sort of silly money for a local fish.
Then again how the hell can we buy frish from NZ cheaper than local fish??? I still can't work that one out. I know the Asian ecconomies pay pea-nuts for their stuff to the fishermen and breeders, but in the land of the long silver clouds...??? tell me how?
http://www.statistics.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/industry_sectors/RetailTrade/retail-fish-prices-and-the-fish-monetary-stock-account.aspx
bit old, but gives you an idication of pricing they pay.
we saw Red cod the otherday for $22/kg compared to $28/kg for local snapper!
ps a bit old, but here is some east coast fish prices, yes they 2005 prices, but hell we never paid that little for fish this side!
http://svc034.wic050p.server-web.com/fish-prices/
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How can local fish cost more
How can local fish cost more than from NZ? Supply and demand
Dhuie is a local, iconic, highly desirable fish. Ask most west aussies what the best eating fish is and they say dhuie (unless you ask on FW, but then everyone still goes out targetting them...). Its a relatively limited supply and they can get away with charging that much because enough people buy it at that price. If you're a fishmonger you want to price it at the highest it just sells, not cheap and gone in a few hours.
Obviousy NZ dont have dhuies so you have to compare species to species. I dont know the price on West Aussie pink snapper and NZ pink snapper, but perhaps they could be similar. If not, then perhaps NZ just has a bigger supply compared to demand. E.g. If their market doesnt buy all their snapper, then loads of surplus for export = allowable cheaper prices.
As for red cod vs pink snapper. Most west aussies will know what snapper is, but even I dont know what red cod is :p Does it go by another name? Regardless of which is better, price is determined by demand. Snapper and dhuies are icon species, and because people are aware of them, and therefore rate them over fish they dont know, they command higher prices.
Plus, to myself at least, freshness is worth a few extra dollars per kilo (not that I really buy fish :P).
I'm sure you know most of this, but you did ask, hehe
Not sure what exactly you're referring to with the Asian economies? That they get our fish cheaper than we do?
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the stupid part about prices
the stupid part about prices is that you wouldnt pay that sort of money p/kg for a piece of steak and sure as hell wouldnt pay it for fish.
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hlokk
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Well, some people are paying
Well, some people are paying them otherwise they wouldnt be those prices.
Tim
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Steak
Not sure about your comment about the Steak Russ.
The $100 Wagu Steaks when you go out to dinner are a bit over the top as well. And they are no where near a Kilo.
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would still go
would still go but it is also nice to bring back a few feeds of fish. really only takes a couple of rankin and a red or two and your 20kg is done anyway.
i only eat what i catch and i like to eat fish.
20kg yes, two freezers full, no.