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Can anyone id the attached fish please. Caught off southern wa in 450m of water.

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Bigeye Ocean Perch

Wed, 2019-01-09 19:17

Nice on the chew. 

Looking at the rig some would say you have the circle hook on 'backwards' as the loop is recommended to enter the eye of the circle hook from the front.  Having said that it didn't make any difference in this case.

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If he tied it the other way I

Wed, 2019-01-09 20:53

If he tied it the other way I would have thought the line would have closed off the opening to the circle somewhat  

with it tied that way the gape of the hook is as open as it could be to pin a fish 

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 Orange fish! 

Thu, 2019-01-10 15:32

 Orange fish!

 

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 thats the same way i do my

Wed, 2019-01-09 20:57

 thats the same way i do my circle hook . 

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 crimps

Wed, 2019-01-09 21:05

 crimps

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lucky i love to fish because i cant catch any.

 

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No, you are meant to enter from bight end of the eye.

Thu, 2019-01-10 08:59

 ie, opposite to what you have rigged. Doing it the right way accentuates the circle action of the hook, which is to hook around a jaw hinge as it leaves the mouth with the fish swimmimg away. For commercial lines not using crimps, it has been done this way forever.  And it is one reason why so-called circle hooks with an octopus-style eye bent out wards are no better than regular j-hooks.

Try doing it the right way, hook up rates increase substantially. Doing it the wrong way is what makes people make uninformed statements like " circle hooks are shit" That, and "striking" harder and harder in frustration, not realising they are making it even worse.

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Old dog new tricks

Thu, 2019-01-10 12:44

 For the life of me I cannot catch a fish on circle hooks, swap them to tarpons and its a completely different story. Mist be the inbuild reaction to a bite thing but I can let a dhuey and black bream take line before setting the hook,

Dumb old prick or what

 

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 certainly makes sense when

Thu, 2019-01-10 15:06

 certainly makes sense when explained like that. when i use snelled hooks i put a circle as the top and most fish are caught with that one in the corner of the mouth. 

thinking about what you have said when i snell i run the line from back of the hook running out through the front si im guessing it would act similar

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It really is a bit counter-intuitive

Thu, 2019-01-10 18:22

 believe me, I've been through it.   When we took to chasing sails at Ningaloo after a long absence, and tried to use circles instead of the J hooks we had used previously, we could not set a hook. We were using the Gamakatsu Octopus Circles, could hardly hook a fish although we raised plenty. Kept striking harder and harder, getting more and more frustrated. You really have to let the fsh hook themselves, just as they do on the longlines that circle hooks are made for. It's why most fish caught on circles are hooked on the lip or corner of jaw, they catch and lock in as they slide around. It's just a matter of applying gentle pressure.

Here's a bit of reading I found a few years back, from NZ , based on a lot of hooks. www.fishing.sh/htmfiles/hookreports/tyingvssnelling.html  The Kiwis do what they call kite fishing, for snapper, where they actually run a longline out off the beach under a kite. so they need something which hooks itself. Very interesting read, and they go into snelled vs tied straight on as well.

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 using them hooks i found

Thu, 2019-01-10 18:29

 using them hooks i found most hookups happen when the rod is sitting in the holder. when holding i resist the urge to strike at any bites. 

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