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Surely this HAS to be our year in the Shield?

JL two seasons ago on the eve of our last final appearance in 2015 after also making it the previous year said  that he was less interested in winning that final than he was in building a dynasty and I reckon now is the time to start cashing on what has been a brilliant program of developing a youthful side with a mix of experience and full of WA talent rather than repeat the mistakes for the previous 20 years.

NCN is ruled out for at least the first half of the season and you’d think he’d struggle to come back from lumbar stress fractures (which hurts us with the ball, in hte field and with the bat) but that still leaves us Dorf, Paris, Turner, Moody, Agar, Mackin, Rimington and AJ Tye (who I am not convinced is a 4 day bowler). You can also throw Cartwright and Bosisto into that mix as guys that can take wickets. The key will be to keep the big Dorf injury free which provides a very good framework for an attack that will regularly take 20 wickets.  Can JL convince Mitch Johnson to play Shield cricket after the BBL… yes please JL.

Our batting is where we’ll need to pick up this year and we are at the mercy of the Australian selectors with SMarsh (just broke his finger and probably get dropped after dominating as usual), Voges (who I think they will transition out of the side soonish) and Bancroft who is likely to replace Burns if he fails to make runs and soon. You can all but book MMarsh in for a full summer for Australia. I’d love to see Bosisto keep grinding out the runs but in doing so not giving his wicket away and see Cartwright build on his form last year and his recent handy batting in the recent NPS. Agar is fast becoming a batting all-rounder and Turner is no mug and Klinger and Whiteman making big runs in the middle order may well hold the key to allowing guys like Agar and Turner to play their natural game and score quick runs and get those bonus points which is so important in the 4 day format.

Bring the Shield back where it belongs lads.

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Wed, 2016-08-31 18:15

 Yep, if we can keep our quicks on the park injury free we should give it a good shake. Bring it on!

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 Shaun Marsh dominating as

Thu, 2016-09-01 16:41

 Shaun Marsh dominating as usual? Really?  First class average BELOW 40! Look elsewhere for consistent runs.

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You do realise that 40.2 (his

Thu, 2016-09-01 18:04

You do realise that 40.2 (his FC avg) is more than 40 right? Averaged 57 in the 14/15 Shield but can't find his 15/16. Add to that he is averaging 47.1 in the Baggy Green since Sep 2014.

Don't get me wrong you won't find a bigger Smarsh critic than me after he wasted his talent early on but how do you expect a guy to make consistant runs when he consistantly gets dropped after making a ton?

Either way I'll be happy to have him with a black cap on and come and and plays his part when he gets a call up due to injury.

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S Marsh

Fri, 2016-09-02 15:32

 According to Wiki his average is 39.85....BELOW 40. Test average of 40 is not good enough for a top order batsman.

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Cricinfo says

Fri, 2016-09-02 19:10

Cricinfo says otherwise.

Averaging 47 in Tests in the previous 2 years. Averaged 48.3 in the 2015/16 Shefield Shield and averaged 57 in the 2014/15 Shield season. I look at recent form over a decent period of time than career form.

He has been his own worst enemy in years gone by throwing away his wicket like it was a broken thong but you cannot deny he is in good touch and has been for 2-3 years now. He failed to cement a spot when it was up for grabs but he'll come in and make some runs whenever required.

Good for WA and good for Australia.

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NCN out for the whole summer

Thu, 2016-09-29 10:42

NCN out for the whole summer which is going to hurt us but you'd think if fit he'd have featured pretty heavily in the ODI side in any case.

At the Warrior's launch JL was saying that the focus this year will be on mental toughness on and off the field. He's developed this young talented side and the timing is now perfect to start turning them into a mature side that really takes it up to the opposition physically and mentally. I have a good feeling about this season after almost 2 decades of misery.

On the shorter side it looks like Cartwright is going to be opening for WA in the BBQ Cup as he has an uncanny knack to find gaps so here's hoping he can get us off to a good start. The lads have a practive match on the weekend and the big Dorf played his first match since Jan and bowled figures of 3-10 of 8 against a Premiers XI. Turner smashed 49 from 27.

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 Well that was a shit start

Sun, 2016-10-02 19:15

 Well that was a shit start to the BBQ Cup. Dorf gave away a lot of runs for no wickets and no one made a big score

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 Well seems I jumped the gun!

Mon, 2016-10-03 08:15

 Well seems I jumped the gun! WA bowlers finished amazingly well to eek out a tie with SA when the game was completely out of reach. Rimmo the pick of the bowlers with 4/34

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Not over

Mon, 2016-10-03 13:10

not over to the fat lady sings haha good to get away with some points 

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 Warriors off to a cracking

Thu, 2016-10-06 15:58

 Warriors off to a cracking start. King Voges doing what King Vogrs does best... making runs

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 How the hell was the match

Thu, 2016-10-06 18:09

 How the hell was the match rain affected? Been perfect blue skys all day here and I'm only 17km away!

WA bowlers keeping it tight but a couple of quick wickets are crucial!

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It's on GEM btw

Thu, 2016-10-06 18:14

It's on GEM btw

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Thu, 2016-10-06 19:27

 Just saw on the ABC news we stuffed that one up, and the basketball as well. 

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 Undisciplined bowling and a

Thu, 2016-10-06 19:36

 Undisciplined bowling and a Duckworth-Lewis system that doesn't penalise a loss of wicket by the chasing team by adding more runs to the total.

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 Good win by the lads gaining

Sun, 2016-10-09 11:25

 Good win by the lads gaining a bonus point but checkout this catch!

www.cricket.com.au/news/glenn-maxwell-rob-quiney-boundary-line-catch-matador-cup-victoria-perth-waca-darcy-short/2016-10-08

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Reading

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Reads a bit like a facebook feed frosty.

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Not enough outrage about

Sun, 2016-10-09 13:12

Not enough outrage about people dressing as clowns for facebook BJ

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LOL

Sun, 2016-10-09 14:01

Gotta love social media faux rage.

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Outrage has become a national

Sun, 2016-10-09 19:20

Outrage has become a national pastime

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Looking good

Mon, 2016-10-10 17:25

 d'arcy short

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 What's the inquest into Phil

Sat, 2016-10-15 08:11

 What's the inquest into Phil Hughes going to resolve. Sad to hear that there bringing up what Doug Bollinger may or may not have said.

What will any of this do for the family, someone to point the finger at?

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 That's it mate, the only

Sat, 2016-10-15 08:24

 That's it mate, the only thing I can see is the family gunning for more compensation. Those there on the day being devastated and having to be dragged through the wringer again. Bollnger probably feels like slitting his wrists 

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 Spot on Gilly. If there was

Sat, 2016-10-15 09:12

 Spot on Gilly. If there was was going to be an inquest into anything it should be corrupt groundsmen rolling out runways for Shield finals

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Sat, 2016-10-15 09:45

 I'm lost on what this inquest is trying to do, Phil's parents just seem to want a pound of flesh, but what's it going to do to the game? It was an accident, nobody is accountable. 

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I believe there were issues

Sat, 2016-10-15 10:45

I believe there were issues post the ball hitting Hughes that were botched and if those processes can be improved regardless of whether he was already fatally injured all good and well.

Anything that happened prior to that is just a tragic event.

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Great win by the boys. Geez

Sat, 2016-10-15 16:04

Great win by the boys. Geez Turner can swing a heavy bat in the lower order. Nice 70 from Walloped's mate at the top of the order and a polished 89 at better than a run a ball by King Voges

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 Flat track bully slaying

Sat, 2016-10-15 16:11

 Flat track bully slaying them at the postage stamp sized ground. Should be a certainty for the 1st test.

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 Flat track bully slaying

Sat, 2016-10-15 16:11

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Yeah and get a pair like he's

Sat, 2016-10-15 18:19

Yeah and get a pair like he's always done after making a Test 100 

Kinda hard one. Smarsh deserves a spot based on current form but if Ashes are the end goal I'd be giving Head or Doolan a crack in the middle order if a spot comes up. Smarsh should be 2nd picked in the sub continent going forward however.

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 Regardless of his age I'm

Sat, 2016-10-15 21:24

 Regardless of his age I'm not sure why Klinger has not been considered. I suspect he'd do the same as Rogers and Voges providing a steady head and consistent runs.

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 Probably a case of either

Sun, 2016-10-16 07:56

 Probably a case of either him or Voges in the Test side but how he hasn't been given a crack in the ODIs is mystifying. Ah well WA's win and SA's loss. Still can't believe we landed him.

Goal is now get Paris fit which won't be until BBL now.

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Aussie XI made 147 in a rain

Mon, 2016-10-17 14:03

Aussie XI made 147 in a rain affected 15 over innings. The boys will need to swing a heavy bat from the outset and try do it in 13 overs for the bonus point

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Marsh out injured

Mon, 2016-10-17 14:21

Marsh out injured again...between his ducks and a dodgy hammy he is a superstar

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Hammies are made of dental

Mon, 2016-10-17 14:25

Hammies are made of dental floss!

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 That Agar is an absolute

Mon, 2016-10-17 18:40

 That Agar is an absolute beauty

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Mon, 2016-10-17 19:29

 Yep, becoming a good all rounder.

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 Well on his way to becoming

Mon, 2016-10-17 19:54

 Well on his way to becoming a middle order batter that can bowl 

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 He fits the now becoming

Mon, 2016-10-17 21:27

 He fits the now becoming traditional role of an australian all-rounder. He can score runs on a flat deck but struggles if there is any movement. Cant bowl

see Glenn Maxwell    Dan Christian   Aston Turner    etc etc

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 Is that what wikipedia told

Mon, 2016-10-17 22:22

 Is that what wikipedia told you?

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 Solid but slow start from

Tue, 2016-10-25 20:32

 Solid but slow start from the lads with Klinger making quick runs and Smarsh making a solid 73 before a ripper c&b from Head. His stroke play is up there with the best handful of batsmen in the world and it's his mental game and fitness that holds him back. 

You'd have to think that Mmarsh is getting close to being on borrowed time as all rounders actually need to make runs.

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Walloped's mate in the runs

Thu, 2016-10-27 19:13

Walloped's mate in the runs again

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Thu, 2016-10-27 19:21

 Voges and Mitch Marsh have both failed with a pair of duck eggs.

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 I reckon Moses will get the

Thu, 2016-10-27 20:21

 I reckon Moses will get the call up for the 1st test. 

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He didnt. And that is great

Fri, 2016-10-28 16:56

He didnt. And that is great too. I wonder what James Faulkner has done wrong. Better bowler than M Marsh and probably not as good a batsman but does well under pressure

 

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It's a mystery for sure, I

Fri, 2016-10-28 18:37

It's a mystery for sure, I think they have a general policy of picking an all rounder that can bowl in the corridor consistantly i.e. one that can keep things tight and not necessarily take wickets to give the bowlers a rest and Jimmy may be a victim of his success in ODIs?

My preference is to just pick the 6th best batman and forget about the all rounder until someone is genuinley better than average at both as an absolute minimum with the exception of Symonds who's fielding was worth at least a wicket and 20 runs.

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 To win the tests we need to

Fri, 2016-10-28 21:44

 To win the tests we need to take 20 wickets, I'm not convinced that Starc, Hazelwood, Lyon and mennie can do that. Hazelwood has been disappointing against good opposition, would prefer Siddle or Coulter-Nile if fit. Speaking of fit we need Pattinson and Cummins to get fit too. Those two and Starc would allow the 6th batsman.

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Hazelwood would do well to do

Sat, 2016-10-29 06:23

Hazelwood would do well to do some work with McGrath and work on his seam position to get them to nip in or out more. I dream of the day we have a fit Pattinson and Cummins in the same side although I think a fit Dorf when fit (who isn't ffs) is a better option than Starc with Starc being used as a 4th quick when required then again I am WA biased. NCN is out for the season.

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 Did you really just say the

Sat, 2016-10-29 09:22

 Did you really just say the Behrendorff is better than Starc? Really? Are you serious? ...and you do know he's a new south wales boy?

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Starc slides too many balls

Sat, 2016-10-29 14:18

Starc slides too many balls down the on side in the red ball game for my liking releasing pressure on the batman and relies on other bowlers building pressure to get his wickets. If he can bowl a better corridor then he will be deadly in tests. Yeah NSW= Baggy Green haha

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Poor showing

Sat, 2016-10-29 08:41

if marsh Voges or Klo get fail everyone else around them collapses worrying that was the mode inexperienced attack we failed againat 

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What are your thoughts on Sam

Fri, 2016-11-04 12:31

What are your thoughts on Sam Whiteman Mr Frost? He looked like a certainty to play at the next leveal two years ago and now he is batting behind Agar at shield level. Is he over-rated, correctly rated or out of form?

 

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Two seasons ago I also

Fri, 2016-11-04 12:47

Two seasons ago I also thought he half a chance to take over from Hadden with Wade being a sub standard gloveman. I think he's a good (young) player that had a standout season and appears to have rested on his laurels and gone backwards as a result.

Bosisto should NOT being playing in the middle order.

I do like the look of Cartwright this season after his strong finish to last years Shield season. Has the tools to be a genuine all rounder.

What would a shield campaign be without the Warriors capitulating in the first two rounds.

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Good

Fri, 2016-11-04 13:23

touch wood good late order batting here trying to rescue a dismal start 

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Haha what wood did you touch

Fri, 2016-11-04 13:45

Haha what wood did you touch coz it didn't work

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I've always thought the cockhead media

Fri, 2016-11-04 16:27

shouldn't comment until both teams have batted,stop a lot of foot in mouth crap,like it'll be over in 4 days

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Amen Unc. You can add "West

Fri, 2016-11-04 19:57

Amen Unc. You can add "West Coast are flag favourites" to that too.

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 Agar and Dorf both doing

Sat, 2016-11-05 14:46

 Agar and Dorf both doing damage with the ball but both going for a few runs too

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Sheesh almost rolled them in

Mon, 2016-11-07 10:40

Sheesh almost rolled them in the end. Alas, you'd think that's the Shield season done and dusted for WA.

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On the verge of our first

Thu, 2016-12-08 10:55

On the verge of our first victory in what has been a dreadful start to the Shield campaign. Too little too late but nice to head into the Big Bash with a win.

Klinger must be pretty close to being dropped if not already after the match.

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Thu, 2016-12-08 17:05

 well done boys  

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 Cracking win by the boys.

Fri, 2017-02-03 12:56

 Cracking win by the boys. Mackin has really stepped up this season!

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 thewest.com.au/sport/teen-all-rounder-cameron-green-on-standby-for-was-sheffield-shield-clash-with-tasmania-ng-b88380346z

Big wraps on the young fella and I didn't think he'd play but he's just come out and bowled 2/11 from 5 overs in the first session in Hobart with Tas 5/90. Let's hope he doesn't go down the injury path of so many before him.

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Fri, 2017-02-10 16:35

 Kids done alright, got himself a Michelle on debut, gotta be happy with that.

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Took me a good 8 seconds to

Fri, 2017-02-10 19:22

Took me a good 8 seconds to get the that

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 On the verge of a huge win

Sun, 2017-02-12 11:18

 On the verge of a huge win and getting back into contention. You catch watch it live on the CA website

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 Definitely back in

Sun, 2017-02-26 15:15

 Definitely back in contention now and what a turn around from losing the first four matches.

Dorf on return got figures of 9/37 in the 1st innings to tear through the experienced Vic. We are a real chance with him fit and Paris still a possibility.

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Sun, 2017-02-26 16:06

 And young Green waiting in the wings, so everything looks quite bright.

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Don't wanna put the mockers

Sun, 2017-02-26 17:36

Don't wanna put the mockers on him but he has all the makings of a genuine all rounder

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So far everything is falling

Thu, 2017-03-16 16:12

So far everything is falling into line to create the perfect storm to take us from 2nd last into the final. Bangers into form at the right time of the year and Turner again showing why JL has him pegged as one of the front runners for the Captaincy in years to come.

Carn boys it's been way too long in between drinks

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 Great 2nd half of the season

Sun, 2017-03-19 18:55

 Great 2nd half of the season for the boys but if you're expecting other teams to lose to make the final you clearly haven't done enough.

The positives are that Cartwright and Turner have emerged as world class players and we unearthed a brilliant 17y old in Cam Green and have Paris and NCN to come back and most of our lads are still only early 20s and are only now becoming battle hardenedp

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Too many bowlers!  How on

Mon, 2017-03-20 13:56

Too many bowlers!  How on earth are they going to give sufficient overs too...Coulter-Nile, Paris, Behrendorf, Turner, Green, Cartwright, Agar, Mackin, Moody.

I think some will look for more opportunities to press claims for a baggy green.

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Don't forget Mitch MarshJesus

Mon, 2017-03-20 16:13

Don't forget Mitch Marsh

Jesus it’s a good problem to have compared to the days where we tried to pinch whoever we could from the East.
 
Cartwright and Turner have both now established themselves as top/middle order batsmen that can hold a spot with their batting alone and their bowling is a bonus. So lock them in.
 
Barring injury you have to say that NCN, Paris and Dorf are our three best bowlers with Mackin being a revelation this season and whilst Moody is solid he is the first to lose his spot. I can see JL using a 4 prong pace battery a lot knowing that he has Turner and Agar who can slow things up as well as take wickets.
 
This is how I see the best XI next season and JL has to be very smart to avoid losing quality players.
 
Bancroft
S Marsh/Wells (Australia duties)
Cartwright
Turner
Klinger
Agar/M Marsh (pitch dependent/Australia duties)
Whiteman
NCN/Green (Australia duties)
Dorf
Paris
Mackin/Short (pitch dependent)
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6 is to low for Mitch Marsh.

Mon, 2017-03-20 20:33

6 is to low for Mitch Marsh. He will need to bat at 4 or 5 for WA and make alot of big hundreds if hes ever to don the baggy green again. 

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In that case then good luck

Mon, 2017-03-20 21:46

In that case then good luck to Freo CC

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If JL's plans are to develop

Tue, 2017-03-21 08:44

If JL's plans are to develop a winning team that has its number one priority as supplying players for the Aussie team...

1.Agar needs to play as a bowler

2. Send M Marsh to Tasmania for regular games and develop Turner/Cartwright as the all-rounder

3. Who will supply the into-the-wind bowling? WA has supplied fantastic bowlers that can exploit swing/seam(Massie, Alderman)

4. Is Whiteman in the Aussie team thinking? Victoria, Queensland will be looking for keepers. Wade is doing enough to hold his place and both Neville and Paine are coming fast after him. Wade is moving to Tasmania next season so that will throw a spanner in the works overall.

5. AJ Tye?

6. Moody has had an excellent season. How do you fit him in?

7. All good problems to have and good for WA and Australian cricket.

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 1.Agar needs to play as a

Tue, 2017-03-21 10:18

 1.Agar needs to play as a bowler

You could be right and looking at it it seems I overrated his batting this season and he didn’t show the form with the bat that he did in the 15/16 season although he only played the 1st half of the season when the entire side was struggling pretty bad. With our embarrassment of fast bowling riches, Agar may become a victim of ‘horses for courses’ if played as a bowler unless he is moved up the order when we play a four prong pace attack.

2. Send M Marsh to Tasmania for regular games and develop Turner/Cartwright as the all-rounder
 
That is actually not so silly an idea as he will have to play on the Bellerive green tops which will help tighten his technique up. Only problem with that is that Mitch is Langer’s love child and he’d be unlikely to send him across. JL said at the start of the season he saw Cartwright as a potential top order batsmen due to his ability to find the gaps and he responded well and is now averaging 52 so it will be interesting to see how they develop him going forward as his bowling is truly medium pace and really does rely on the ball or the pitch to be doing something. I can see him batting three next season which leaves Turner who also responded well to being moved up the order and will likely be the captain next season. I still think we'll see MMarsh as the all rounder unless he has still got those photos of Boof and Mark Waugh hidden away and he walks back into the Aussie side.
 
3. Who will supply the into-the-wind bowling? WA has supplied fantastic bowlers that can exploit swing/seam(Massie, Alderman)
 
Green looks like he will fit the bill and we’ve forgotten about Jye Richardson who according to SportFM has been carving through the batting lineups in 1st grade. Paris also has an uncanny knack of hitting the seam.

4. Is Whiteman in the Aussie team thinking? Victoria, Queensland will be looking for keepers. Wade is doing enough to hold his place and both Neville and Paine are coming fast after him. Wade is moving to Tasmania next season so that will throw a spanner in the works overall.
 
Whiteman might well have been in India right now if he had backed up his 14/15 season but he slumped hard last season and was just getting back to his best this season when he broke his finger. I actually though Neville was very unlucky to be dumped but he went back to the Shield and made 170 odd and has made another 2 centuries after that so surely he has to be next in line. 
 
5. AJ Tye?
 
Absolutely brilliant with the white ball but not quite up to Shield standard in my opinion and a long way back in the pecking order.
 
6. Moody has had an excellent season. How do you fit him in?
 
He may well be one that we lose unless he is happy being a squad member ready to fill in through injury or Aussie duties.

7. All good problems to have and good for WA and Australian cricket.
 
Absolutely and in the meantime it's been great having a few blokes on here interested in the Warriors but bring on the footy!!
 
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I note with interest that

Tue, 2017-03-21 12:33

I note with interest that Stoinis is likely to return to WA to add to the mix. Some players are going to be very disappointed with the lack of opportunities.

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Hadn't heard that, you must

Tue, 2017-03-21 13:00

Hadn't heard that, you must have your ear pretty damn close to the ground.

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Tue, 2017-03-21 18:16

 Yep, seen that somewhere today too Jack.

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