4x4 tyres?
Submitted by MandurahMatt on Tue, 2014-04-29 21:22
Can anyone recommend a CHEEP All terrain tyre? Not willing to fork out $400 a pop on Micky T's again!
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Bewdey Fellaz
black gen
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Bfg km2su get what u pay for
Bfg km2s
u get what u pay for like anything
pay cheap will probly be shit
quadfisher
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Arh the old mickey t,s
No tyre raises more views than these , some people will swear on there
mothers grave and sell a kidney to get another set , some people hate them with a passion and say there overpriced
rejects from the cooper factory! ( not me of course)
Had 265/75 /16, d693 bridgestones before , payed about 220 each about 3 years back, not a bad tyre , great
in the wet , good sand tyre.
60,00kms later I just got some hankook atm,s rt01,s , same size , about 280 each, seem good so far,
westate tyres bently , seem good on prices, for hankooks , and have some clearance specials on sets of slightly odd sizes.
Others in the cheap but not crap range would be federals, silverstones, and even bfg all terrians, have seemed to have dropped there prices
to a affordable level and are highly reguarded by some ( not me , had sidewall bubbles in a set years ago)
quadfisher
MandurahMatt
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They lasted and performed
Bewdey Fellaz
Jayden20
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ebay ...get your self a set
ebay ...get your self a set of mickey tees for a grand plus 100 postage
DTrain
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I got some 285/75/r16
I got some 285/75/r16 (33inch) BFGoodridge KM2s off ebay. $265 each. Free delivery but had to pick them up from a freight depo in welshpool and then pay the local tyre shop $10 each to fit and balance. The KM2s are Mud Terrain though.
There are some good deals on ebay if you look for them.
diver albie
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pirellii atr
just replaced the bridgestones on my triton with pirelli scorpion atr's awesome in the wet, low road noise. Haven't hit the beach yet, but they are, or were not sure if still are, offical officals trye in paris to dakar so expecting them to perform ok. $275 each fitted swan tryes in osborne park.
Vinesh87
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Had a set on my 60 series,
Had a set on my 60 series, 8yrs old ehen I sold it and still good!
rocklobster
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have the summit mudhogs
have the summit mudhogs myself. Great offroad but a bit noisy onroad, although i bought them at trade price so can't complain
have heard the pirelli scorpion atr's are awesome in the sand when tyre pressures are lowered
muzz6108
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maxxis
Got a set of maxxis AT 980's about a month ago, very happy with them. quite a chunky AT tyre, Similar to the bfg AT but heaps cheaper. Paid 280 per tyre for 265/70 r16.
jamey ford
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kenda tyres
Go round to mandurah tyres , get price on Kenda AT 4wd Tyres , kenda make alot of off road motorbike tyres and I have had a set of 265 x15 that cost under 800 fitted and balanced on the sahara for nearly 3 years now and they are brilliant , buggerall wear not noisy and great on the beach etc as well as highway , like you I cannot see the value in overpriced 4wd tyres unless I was doing some real serious stuff , more than happy with kendas as are my mates who have fitted them as well , check them out mandurah tyres thornborough rd of gordon road , at the time they were well and truly the best price and great service in the area better than perth .
Far Quirk!
carnarvonite
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B F Goodrich
Found B F Goodriches as good if not better than most for beach work, nearly all of the pro salmon teams use them for that reason. Reasonable cheap and long wearing.
One thing really bugs me though, why do you see so many 4x4s with big mud tyres on them---sure they look good I suppose but on sand they are next to useless. When they came out years back we tried a set on one of the vehicles and all of us who drove it found out that getting bogged when loaded with fish was exceptionally easy and getting the piss taken out of you when others drove past with conventional tyres on wasn't funny.
The other bits are they cost heaps more, need more power / fuel to push them along, noisy and only get to see mud about 2 or 3 times a year.
81macca
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Mud tyres actually out
Mud tyres actually out perform an A/T on the sand as they have a more rounder edge and larger lugs to throw the sand out. An A/T especially the BFG (great tyre) has a very square edge and closed in tread pattern witch require them to be bagged down a lot more than a M/T. Driving in sand is about momentum and spinning your tyres fast and that's how a M/T is designed to work.
I actually fish.
carnarvonite
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Roll
The idea with driving on sand is to roll over the top of it, hence dropping the air pressure in your tyres not digging bloody great trenches and stuffing it up for who ever is following you.
Suggest you go talk to any professional salmon or beach seine team who spend months on the beach each year and tell them about your theory and see what their response is once they stop rolling round laughing.
quadfisher
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Power to the people
I find the big variable in tread patterns on sand , is of course power and vehicle weight
I have driven v8 ,s in sand , as well as pokey v6,s and a rotary turbo charged buggy,
and in general once you have a couple of hundred horsepower under the belt , tyre tread means bugger all,
Back to the real world of 100hp diesels etc I have found anything with a sharp edge will cut thru the sand
and send you down, years ago all the original blokes in the now long since defunct W.a beach buggy club
would run any tyre they could find on a widened rim , and then shave off all the edge tread with a heated up knife
and a grinder, giving a well rounded edge like a aircraft or ag tyre.
In saying all that I ran 35 inch cooper sst , s on a v8 fj45 troopie and they seemed fine on all the different sandy places
I took it.
quadfisher
81macca
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Old shcool thoughts out the window!
So a pro salmon fisherman is better and knows more than a person who has worked in the 4WD industry and has competed in many off road events?
I have seen a test on this done by Petersons Off Road. They used the same Chevy truck on both tests and just changed the tyres over between tests from a Goodyear A/T to an M/T. On a stand still start with high tyre pressures the M/T progressed further than the A/T and with low pressures up a sand dune the A/T was unable to climb a dune where the M/T did.
Keeping momentum and turning your tyres keeps you on top of the sand not destroying the beach. Low range and crawling with a square edged tyre is shit house for your vehicle and the beach for other users.
I actually fish.
carnarvonite
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Salmon fishermen
When you spend about 6 months each year, over 20 plus years, driving on soft and hard sand you learn a thing or two like what is the best tyre and pressures to run unlike one test done by so called experts who could have other interests or be sponsored by certain companies to come up with favourable findings, not saying this is the case but am always highly suspicious of some of their reports in magazines.
IMO you can believe what you want and waste your money on what you fancy, its your decision and you are welcome to it.
dodgy
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I have a set of KM2's
I have a set of KM2's waiting for me to fit to my Hilux. Reviews seem good and I picked them up off gumtree near brand new for a steal.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
Doooma
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High profile biscuit cutters
High profile biscuit cutters are better in sand than big wide muddie types!!
The more profile you have, the longer the track of the tyre is when you let the air out.
You basically want to turn your tyre into something like a tank/dozer track long ways.. NOT width ways!
Wide tyres mean you have to push more sand that builds up just infront of the tyre.
Good ol BFG AT do the trick and are the best compromise..
Or standard highway road tyres are extremely good on sand!
Its mainly lack of ground clearance that brings most undone
if tyres have been let down BEFORE you get bogged!!
marrisy
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hi profile all the way
Have to agree there, real world, not magazine world. 40 years of driving on sand, and lots of time bogged to back up my experiance.
Marrisy.
quadfisher
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Mans eternal question?
Not saying I dont argree with you guys to a point, I had a mate with a series 3 landy with as you say
narrow tall tyres and he went everywhere the widdies did ,, and prob easier, but,
and its a big but ( been waiting a while to say that one) , have a look at the company called artic trucks
in places like iceland, big wide and tall floation tyres for the snow, and weed sprayers in the wheat belt all run big
wide super single type tyres on there trucks and trailers, and bobcats run widdies etc etc, are they all wrong?
I still think med to wide , tyres with a very rounded edge profile run at low pressures, still give a low pressure footprint
for floatation.
Our quad has 10- 12 inch wide tyres x 4 run at 3psi , on a machine that wieghs 380kgs with me on it!
thats floatn baby!
quadfisher
carnarvonite
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Tread Pattern
Its all about the tread pattern not the width of the tyre.
Muddies are designed to dig through the mud till they reach some solid ground, chucking the crap out as they go while ATs are designed to roll over the surface leaving as little footprint as possible.
The best sand tyres I have seen were brought here by WAPET, for oil exploration, in the early sixties and were big balloon tyres with bugger all shoulders on them and a small check pattern, most of the time you didn't even have to drop the pressures. Helped because the only portable compressor then was the Menzal where you removed a spark plug, screwed it in and used the enginge compression to pump the tyre back up
Ian S
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There are a couple of different thing's
That are in play here, you are right about the big balloon tyres on the arctic trucks, it gives them really low pressure per square inch on the ground but they are really tall as well which brings up the second point, if you increase the diameter of a tyre you can decrease the width dramatically, as was pointed out in another post if you make the footprint longer you can decrease the width and still have the same amount of tyre on the ground, what makes the most difference is that a larger diameter tyre has a much lower angle at the point of contact with the soil, this means it rolls along easier than one with a greater angle at point of contact. Wide ag machinery tyres are generally used to prevent damage to the crop as they run over it but nowdays most machines use tall narrow tyres rather than wide ones.
Cheers Ian
dodgy
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I would of thought sprint
I would of thought sprint car tyres would be the go if they weren't so vulnerable to being staked.
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chopdog
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haha Old School
Sometimes its best to listen the the old school crew 81Macca, In Australia we don't really give a fuck what a chevy truck does in the sand. Muddies are shit in the sand and that's that.
Wafisho
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BFGs
BFGs all terrains all the way!!! integrity tyres wangara 300 ea fitted
macca81 I'll take that challenge with ya chev and ya muddies come up two rocks bet ya dig holes everywhere I'll go everywhere with my all terrains on my cruiser don't know what ya sands like in America can't be same as here though !!!!!!!!!!
born to fish forced to work !
81macca
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Your still talking about
Your still talking about things that happened in the 60's Carnarvonite. M/T's are designed for soft loose surfaces to throw the terrain out and keep forward momentum going. A/T's are still a good tyre im not saying they are shit but they are designed for harder slippery surfaces hence the sipping in there tread witch bites into hard rock and gravel surfaces. One big thing you do need for muddies to work is wheel speed first low wont do you any favours with any tyre in the sand. Once you are stopped/bogged a M/T will probably bury you quicker than an A/T but the M/T will progress further before you get to this stage.
Wafisho I wouldn't brag about your Cruiser I have a 100s and they are a great vehicle on the road and tow well but are a big heavy piece of shit in the sand. I never said I have a Chev or live in the US learn to read you peanut.
I actually fish.
carnarvonite
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60s
Don't think for one minute that I am living in the sixties, I may be over 60 but that doesn't mean stuff all. I still head off up the beach to go fishing out bush to knock over some goats, there wouldn't be a week goes past that the hubs are not pit in.
Practices don't change and in many years of off road driving I can honestly say there would not be more than 5-6 times where I have had to be towed out.
As stated before, when muddies first came out we got a set to try and all the salmon teams we were connected to gave them a run and all said they were shit, loaded or empty , it made no difference, you still dug holes and went down.
black gen
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When they first came out to
When they first came out to now they are not the same tyre
as stated before, they are now designed and well suited to soft loose surfaces ie sand
mine are excellent in the sand on my prado, perform well and chew threw anything
id buy em again for sure
bfg MT that is
caughtup
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coopers
im running discoverer maxx's on my navara theyr a great tyre 50% rd %50 mud
bit pricey tho
Snags
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Bob Jane's are doing the
Bob Jane's are doing the Bridgestone 697 A/T for a very good price.
I paid about ~$250 a corner for 265/75/17.
They have been great on the road and have done well on the sand. I cant really compare though as these are my first set of decent tyres on a car i havent had for long.
Busted Arse
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I dont think they do
I dont think they do 265/75/17 ? Are they Light Truck construction?
dodgy
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Just don't go near Dunlop
Just don't go near Dunlop at20's. Have a tendency to go out of balance and throw the belts off. Lost virtually the whole front end of my prado when one let got. 15k of damage. Tyre shop said he sees it quite often.
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DTrain
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The main reason people would
The main reason people would buy a mud terrain instead of an all terrian is because mud terrains work well in mud and still go decently on sand. All terrains are good on sand but not that good in mud. They can't clear the mud fast enough and turn into slicks.
Also mud terrains look cooler...
Busted Arse
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I tried the Coopers ATR's in
I tried the Coopers ATR's in light truck construction on my D40 Navara and they were perfectly fine down south but got destroyed when i moved north. The edges chipped pretty badly. I got 70'000kms out of them with heaps of tread left so it wasnt all bad but i think their warranty is a load of wank. These got replaced with BFG ATR's and apart from the price have been a good Tyre.Done over 40,000kms and they are still in good nick and reckon i can easily get another 20k. Having said that I reckon there are cheaper tyres that perform as well and even better in some cases with newer technology in design. Will replace these with either Maxxi 980's(cost) or the goodyear duratrac(performance).
My cruiser were running D694's passenger construction and had a massive blow out travelling 60km/h. Agonized over replacements and went the D697's. Reason, no mark up from the bridgestone dealership in karratha, in the size i wanted, common with no lengthy waits, pretty sure cost of US imports will be affeced by the strengthening us dollar, overall cost especially seeing as the cruiser has a 6 tyre rotation. Will be interested to see how the d697 LT's compare to the coopers and bfg's. Only time will tell.
Im running bfg mud terrains on my xj jeep. Wicked tyres. i think ill try the maxxi bighorns next purely to save some $$ TBH i found the BFG ATR's performed better on the beach rather then the BFG muddies with the way i prefer to drive.
i think most tyres would be fine as long as theyre rotated and balanced regularly and that the right pressures are used for specific purposes.
edit - if youre looking for cheap have a gander at hercules tyres terra tracs. a mate of ine swears by them
troy fuller
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Haha good one, go flat out
Haha good one, go flat out spin your tyres dig the crap out of the track and dig trences for everyone else
yeah you may get through okay, but you said you need to be moving with speed, guess you won't be stopping for a fish then
that's why most of these popular beach/fishing spots are stuffed
Busted Arse
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I never said i like to drive
I never said i like to drive with speed in soft sand??? In fact im the total opposite i move really slow. I would like to see someone go flat out on one of the tight tracks on the south coast on the way to places like bluff creek, bornholm beach poson creek etc etc If u dont end up nuts in guts of the bush you will probably collide with someone coming the opposite way coming around a blind bend. flat out might be ok in a open beach but like you say it stuffs the beach up. Wittecarra creek is a classic.