Am I being unreasonable ?

Hi all,

First time poster on this forum but have been reading on here since returning to WA from Sunny north QLD a few months back for work reasons.

I had a small 4m Stessco tinny in Cairns and used it a little bit before realising it wasn't the right boat for what I needed. No real problem, cheap boat and on sold no problems.

When we got here I started hunting for a new boat for me and the family to use, with Cockburn sound and FFB being the areas we would frequent the most. A nice 475 bayhunter came up on gumtree (2 actually, one 4.5 and one 4.75) but I missed being able to view/purchase these due to work commitments and they sold really quickly. Enter another vessel for sale that with the pod comes in at 4.85m. All appeared reasonably well with this vessel ( few minor areas of bubbling paint but nothing too serious. The boat has spent some time moored in the water with a hull mounted anode that appears to have been working as it should. After spending a fair amount of time inspecting I left to contemplate my offer although the vessel is cheapish, it is still a large capital to lay down.

I made an offer to the seller with some conditions, The conditions were that I wanted to conduct a compression test (I have all the gear), a leg oil check, inspect under the floor and a quick sea trial just to make sure all is well when on the water. The seller seemed happy with the cash offer, however; feels that allowing me to do a compression test and lifting the floor is too risky for fear of damage to his boat. I understand to a degree his concerns (The motor has no kill switch, but a remote starter switch with the ignition off would negate his fears of blowing a coil). I would be happy to replace all leg oil after inspection (As I would have done this prior to using anyway)and a floor inspection is a must on an ally boat in my opinion. There is some white build up and a spot of oil around the head on the outboard. I know that the white build up is relatively normal as this is the area that is unpainted (Head and block where they meet the gasket) but am unsure of where the oil weep was coming from and figured at a minimum the compression test should be done. He hasn't owned the vessel all that long and due to personal circumstances needs to move it on. I don't believe that he is hiding any problems on purpose and seems to be a genuinely nice guy.

Am I being to over the top in my inspections for an older vessel ??

Cheers
Dane

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 Nup, You're the one who's

Sun, 2015-03-01 10:04

 Nup, You're the one who's going to be outlaying the dough. If he won't let you ispect reasonable aspects of the boat then I'd move on.

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pre purchase inspection

Sun, 2015-03-01 10:04

if you were to get a prepurchase inspection any reputable mechanic would do a compression test, inspect the leg oil (not drain completely), pulling the floor up on a bayhunter is a pretty straight forward process its just marine ply screwed down so cant really go wrong there either and a sea trial goes without saying

so if that is a problem then either he has something to hide or is very untrusting of yourself

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 I understand he is concerned

Sun, 2015-03-01 11:58

 I understand he is concerned that his vessel may be damaged in the hands of a hack doing the inspecting. I am a tradesman in the marine industry (diesels not outboards) and was going to let him watch every step of the way. Had cash ready in my hand as well... ahhh well something else will come up

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 Regarding the oil leak is

Sun, 2015-03-01 14:30

 Regarding the oil leak is the motor 2 or 4 stroke

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2 stroke, hence the

Sun, 2015-03-01 15:03

2 stroke, hence the concern....

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 If he doesn't know you from

Sun, 2015-03-01 15:28

 If he doesn't know you from Adam and outboards are not your business then he is entitled to not let you tinker with his outboard. If you were happy to pay for an inspection by a recognised and qualified outboard mechanic and he didn't want to then I would see that as a red flag.

When I bought my boat just recently, I broke all my own rules regarding having inspections etc as it was the right price and was what I wanted. After a quick sea trial we sealed a deal. I did however get to talk to the mechanic that serviced it in the previous 12 months so that was something.

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Its reasonable to ask , but I

Sun, 2015-03-01 16:22

Its reasonable to ask , but I wouldn't let youift up my floor or pull shit apart on my boat either. Id wait for the next guy to come along. Each to their own I suppose.

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 Might be a good idea for the

Sun, 2015-03-01 16:58

 Might be a good idea for the buyer, but the seller doesn't know you from a bar of soap. I've had old blokes try to pull up my floor when I've said it doesn't come up (unless you unscrew it), people shaking the wheels on my trailer etc and it really pi$$es me off when people tamper with my things.

More than happy for the buyer to get a qualified mechanic to have a look and then do a sea test, but I'd want a deposit first to make sure hes fair dinkum and not just looking for a joy ride. However in the 12 boats I've had, I've never been on a sea test or done a sea test for a potential buyer!

Probably wouldn't let you pull up the floor of my boat when there's no guarantee you'd buy it, and then i'd have to spend my own time to put it back for the next bloke to look at. A good check on the motor is reasonable though 

 

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 Hmm yeah I agree Bruce,

Sun, 2015-03-01 17:02

 Hmm yeah I agree Bruce, should edit my post to say it should be done by a qualified inspection business. 

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I'm happy to pay someone to

Sun, 2015-03-01 17:28

I'm happy to pay someone to do it if that was what he wanted, but really.... A compression test is a simple no brainer procedure. This was never offered as a solution by the seller either.

The floor, yeah I get that someone not really interested would cause heartache lifting it if they just up and left without refitting it. But I had cash ready to pay... Had the engine been serviced by a mechanic recently I would have taken his word for it (The mechanic's not his) that all was honky dory. He claims the guy he bought it from told him all was good.... That doesn't mean anything to me at all.

There are plenty of other vessels for sale.... All is not lost :)

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 Yeah its a tough one, id

Sun, 2015-03-01 18:36

 Yeah its a tough one, id want to look at those things also though lifting a sealed floor is a sticky one.

My last 2 boats have private sales, sight unseen.

A leap of faith but at the right price...

I wouldnt let anyone muck around with my engine etc without my direct supervision and a solid deposit contingent on specific items such as compression inside manufacturers specs.

If its ok then you dont want it lose deposit, especially if buyer is a ditherer

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Would there be an easier way

Sun, 2015-03-01 18:47

Would there be an easier way to inspect under the floor ? Other than removing it ?? maybe using compressor or such to blow anything that is under there out ?? My only reason for wanting a look under there is to make sure there are no sinkers etc there.

Might try him again and see if he is open to me having someone come do an inspection on the outboard. Anyone know anyone that does this in the Mandurah area ??

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Pressed ali hull?

Sun, 2015-03-01 19:42

 if it is a pressed hull with ply floor, shouldn't be hard to get it up. It may mean he had never had it up himself(not good) or has something he wants to hide. IMO, deck on a boat like that should be up once a year, if only to check some t**t hasn't dropped a sinker or swivel down there. My boat has just gone up for  for sale , I'd happliy pull up the floor for a serious buyer. Letting some oil out of the leg is certainly no big deal, either. Compression test? I'd prefer to have that done by someone I trust as competent.

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Letting oil out of the leg

Sun, 2015-03-01 20:44

Letting oil out of the leg might be a bit daunting for someone who's knowledge of their outboard is limited. They turn the key, flush it and might change the spark plugs but that's all they know about it!  

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Is it a sealed deck or non

Sun, 2015-03-01 19:51

Is it a sealed deck or non sealed? If it's not a sealed deck then perhaps there is just a small section of floor you could remove? In the front of my Quintrex coast runner (I think similar to a bay hunter?!) there is just a small floor panel up the front that you stand on while driving. Maybe you could just ask to lift that one panel, that won't tell you if there are any sinkers in the hull or not but could give you an idea of how much crap could be in the rest of the hull.

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 My mates been looking at

Sun, 2015-03-01 20:10

 My mates been looking at boats. Hes seen afew 6mtr+ quinny hes liked. 

I told him to look under the floor as most are non sealed. Reason being these things are prone the cracking as there just a glorified tinnies. Im sure if a deposit was put down subject to passing inspection it wouldnt be a problem. There only screwed down.

Now if it was a sealed deck thats a different  story. Ive pulled up my cover in my deck and removed fuel tank afew times and its a 3 hour job. 

 

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Another thing.

Mon, 2015-03-02 07:07

 If its a pressed hull Id put the bungs in and put a few hundred litres of water in it to make sure theres no cracks in the keel or leaks .  They are really hard to see and a nightmare to fix properly.   A good sea trial in choppy conditions should show up any other crack problems.  Moving floor, creaking noises etc.   Personally I wouldnt buy an aluminium boat without inspecting under the floor first.  

 

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No offense mate, but if you

Mon, 2015-03-02 07:42

No offense mate, but if you were looking to buy a boat I was selling I'd tell you to get back in your car and take a walk... If there wasn't cracks before the 'few hundred litres' there would be after!!

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 Gotta be jokin. Three guys

Mon, 2015-03-02 07:51

 Gotta be jokin. Three guys and an esky full of shit weighs 300kgs .  If you cant take the floor up water finds cracks and holes from osmosis even ad some food colouring.. Leave your boat out in the rain with the bungs in can end up with a ton of water your trailer will break before the boat ever does.

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I agree that the weight isn't

Mon, 2015-03-02 08:05

I agree that the weight isn't the issue... It's the outward pressure of the water that can pop things...

i don't think a sea trial or even lifting the floor on a small tinny is asking too much though, I did both when buying my bayhunter 

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 I'm not a huge fan of

Mon, 2015-03-02 08:50

 I'm not a huge fan of filling a hull with water unnecessarily. All the stresses would be on the spots the boat contacts the trailer. How long did it take you to lift the floor on the bayhunter you bought ? My guesstimate would be about an hour ?

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10-15 min tops.... Mine is a

Mon, 2015-03-02 09:49

10-15 min tops.... Mine is a 97 though with the pedestal seats that just slot into the floor... So it's as easy as removing seats, undoing screws, and lifting...