cray increase

 heard on the radio today they have increased the amount of crays that can be caught by the pros by another 136 tonne mainly for local sales. 

does this mean the prices will go down , i dont think so . hope its beneficial for the fishermen 

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 Beneficial for the

Fri, 2019-02-08 20:57

 Beneficial for the fisherman?

 

Russ you can take a Milo tin down to the local and rally up a few dollars for them if you feel like they could use an extra penny.

 

My way of thinking is the fishery is managed well, quota varies for good/bad years however I think the government has been made to look lame by actually trying to do a good deed and make WA Crays more affordable for WA people that can't catch them themselves

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Fri, 2019-02-08 21:14

How were they going to do that Boony, because if the Gov told you but noone else they blew their chance of getting that over the line?

Cos they were never actually able to articulate how the extra quota "on the same basis as existing quota" ($50kg lease) was going to provide $25kg local crays?

Except who the $50 a kg would be going to...

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The " more crays for the people " thing is bullshit

Fri, 2019-02-08 21:22

 This government has decided to grab itself a revenue stream by adding to the TAC, but taking  all the extra  for themselves. The " affordable crays for locals" thing is pure bullshit, dreamed up as a PR exercise to sweeten the grab in the eyes of the public. If you think it's all about that, I've got a bridge to sell you. The extra quota will be put on the market by them, tens of million extra revenue. All fishermen will suffer as the market price will drop due to extra supply. And how will they get the crays to market cheaper? Make it mandatory for the poor bastards who lease those extra pots, sell them into the market at a huge loss? Or will the lease be cheaper, to take that into account? Doubt it.

Anyway, it has been seen for what it is, and looks highly unlikely to go anywhere. They had a meeting today starting midday, haven't heard the result.

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Fri, 2019-02-08 21:32

I just want to be able to buy a few crays without paying kings ransom for the fucking things. Nothing more, nothing less. 

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 If the government isn't

Sat, 2019-02-09 04:32

 If the government isn't trying to get cheaper Crays for WA consumers and is trying to grab an income from an industry that prints money with low inputs I say bravo, it's about fucking time.

 

I'm currently out on Barrow island and there is no better example of an industry that makes bulk coin and this country gets fuck all of it.

 

Before anyone jumps up n down thinking I'm saying it's like the crest industry I'm not I'm just stating we have some of if not the wealthiest natural occurring resources whether that be gold, LNG, lithium, coal, crays, wheat etc etc yet this country seems broke and misses out because the government gets bent over with fear campaigns anytime they attempt to grab some of it. 

Yes no doubt they go about it the wrong way ala the mining tax.

 

Randall if the fellas that currently lease for $50/kg can no longer lease because it's not viable to do so then that's the way the cookie crumbles. $50/kg is only set because those that own the quota know how much additional can be made on top. It's no set fee...

 

 

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Big difference where you are

Sat, 2019-02-09 09:22

Big difference where you are Timboon, is that they build everything overseas and profit goes overseas.

Modules, rigs, pretty much everything is built in Korea or China and shipped in on FOC vessels.

Crayfishermen build their boats houses sheds pots etc here. 

Its certainly a valid point about the natural resources but I’m surprised you think it’s fine for them to mislead you about their motives.

Rather than lease it out at $50kg, they would be more likely to sell it off. Privatisation is the business model across the country for short term gain.

Why would they not go for the big fish, iron ore, gas etc?

How come BHP is allowed to “negotiate” in secret a $300m shortfall when you or I would be chewed up without a 2nd thought by State or Federal agencies for $10k

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Still, above all else I know

Sat, 2019-02-09 09:27

Still, above all else I know it has been a massive wake up call for commercial fishermen.

Most of those who viewed local supply and “social licence” with disdain will no doubt now have a renewed interest in staying in good stead with the public and rec fishos.

It is a good time for all us fishos to realise that we need to stick together, and the enemy is outside, not inside the fishery 

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Crayfisherman, shed a tear for them No WAY

Sat, 2019-02-09 11:35

They have been spoilt for to long, I wont be shedding a tear for them that's for sure.
Was involved in the industry for 15 years.
The resource should be shared by capping the ownership of craypots to a set number for each license holder.
This will allow new people to get a start in this lucrative business not all sewn for the rich end of town.

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 What gets me is people think

Sat, 2019-02-09 13:26

 What gets me is people think they are entitled to pay cheap prices for a luxury item. They seem to forget it's a private industry with huge overheads to run cray boats etc and then turn a profit. If the government are serious about providing cheap crays then buy all the licences out, buy their own boats and run it themselves. This is a capatalist society not fucking socialst Russia. 

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Too true comrade Andy

Sat, 2019-02-09 13:37

Never been able to understand what all the fuss is about , yes they do taste good but I’d rather have a slab of blue bone over a cray any day . 

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People love having crayfish

Sat, 2019-02-09 14:12

Whiting, crabs, prawn, squid, occy all leave the bland, tough sea cockies for dead.

Im convinced people love having crayfish just so they can tell people they have crayfish.

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 And I'm indignant about not

Sat, 2019-02-09 15:10

 And I'm indignant about not being able to afford a ferrari , guess I'll have to live with that 

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 It is interesting that when

Sat, 2019-02-09 14:28

 It is interesting that when crays were $12-$30kg and I was on deck for about 6 or 7 years I dont ever recall being asked to sell crays at the wharf.

Let alone knocked over in the rush to buy 135 tonnes...

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 The extra quota has already

Sat, 2019-02-09 15:53

 The extra quota has already been taken by companies to sell overseas. There is actually no provision in the proposal that says that the crays have to go to the local market. It is just PR bullshit. It is akin to the government going to Rio or BHP and saying "we've just taken 17% of your business". This kind of thing really only happens in communist countries or dictatorships and is horribly damaging for business because it tears down any confidence levels that oerseas investors have in WA.

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 Beautifully put Mulie. 

Sat, 2019-02-09 16:46

 Beautifully put Mulie. 

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 I think there is something

Sat, 2019-02-09 17:49

 I think there is something to be said about a communist society that puts the country first not win a vote today and worry about doing it properly later.

Andy I hope your not calling crayfish a luxury item?

They weren't when the now Cray fisherman had a wetlining lisence with a Cray endorsement.

The price of crayfish is only reflective of what China pays for them full stop.

 

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If you made crays $10/kg and

Sat, 2019-02-09 18:10

If you made crays $10/kg and prawns $50/kg everyone would be going nuts over prawns and spending their nights trying to catch them for Facebook status pics

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 And the price of Chinese

Sat, 2019-02-09 20:33

 And the price of Chinese flat screens is only relative to the market's capacity to devour them. I can just about guarantee that buried somewhere in a Memo of Understanding or trade agreement between our government and the Chinese, that there would be clauses for free supply going to China for highly desired goods if we want to keep selling them our iron ore. London to a brick this is where the government's grab for quota has come from. It has already been exposed that the extra quota will in a vast majority go to China, not Western Australians. I think this is why the Premier fell on his sword and agreed to re-structure the grab.

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 Why dont the guvment let

Mon, 2019-02-11 08:22

 Why dont the guvment let amatuer caught crays with the tail clipped to be sold for local market only?

Seems this would bring cheaper product to the community.

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 You cant be an amateur and a

Mon, 2019-02-11 13:14

 You cant be an amateur and a professional at the same time.
Commercial fishing operations by unsurveyed vessels driven by unlicenced skippers, what could possibly go wrong?
Besides the compliance side of it, all those crays would come from the close in areas within a couple of miles of every ramp and have the greatest effect on our recreational catch.

The cheapest way is just what they are doing now, the crays that would have gone back high grading being sold via a tag system and coming from a long way from where rec's fish.

The pro's have been G'ed up now to get the supply side sorted and that is being done via some websites such as "Lanno Lobster".

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