Crayfish Season 2015/16

 Hi All,

Thought I would start a thread for the 2015/16 crayfish season, I have searched the forum for information on using cray pots but thought I would start thread about where you will be getting your crays this year, when you will start dropping your pots and what depths you will be hunting in. This year will be my first year at having a crack dropping the pots, I have all ways gone diving for my crays all have done well off the scarborough reefs in about 14 metres of water. This year due to living further north I will be setting the pots out from Mindarie in about 10-15 metres of water see how we go we will have 4 pots so it will be a bit trial and error trying to find them. What is everybody elses plans to catch crays this year?


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 Use a soldering iron to burn

Tue, 2015-10-06 10:03

 Use a soldering iron to burn the id into the float.....

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thanks frog.hicks

Tue, 2015-10-06 14:58

 thank you sir

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Quick question - Sea lice are

Wed, 2015-10-07 13:13

Quick question - Sea lice are a bugger and can chew through your bait o/night ! Would putting your bait in a stocking make much of a difference ? Not that I have any spare stockings around of course  

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Sea Lice

Wed, 2015-10-07 14:42

Sea lice hit your bait over the dark of the moon so don't set on sandy bottom for those few days, weed or reefy bottom is best then.
Saves you the job of nicking your missus' pantyhose and getting strange looks from all the blokes at the ramp

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 So to the guys who are gonna

Thu, 2015-10-08 08:09

 So to the guys who are gonna drop there pots on the 15th of October, what sort of ground will you be dropping on? I presume your going for reds yeah? So would the pots need to be on the reef, or as close to it as possible to catch? I'm just trying to decide weather I should start early or if I should just wait for the whites. 

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Will start out deep as the

Thu, 2015-10-08 08:37

Will start out deep as the ones in close wont start walking for awhile yet, try for some jumbo's.

Keep diving in close, you can tell when the whites are about to walk, then bring in the pots and bomb crap out of them.

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 What sort of depth will the

Thu, 2015-10-08 10:21

 What sort of depth will the jumbo's be in Walfootrot?

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Will start looking 30-40m,

Thu, 2015-10-08 12:00

Will start looking 30-40m, but will be a lot of big girls out there too that are a no go.

Have to leave the pots for a few days for the jumbo's

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 What sort of depth will the

Thu, 2015-10-08 10:21

 What sort of depth will the jumbo's be in Walfootrot?

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 Hmm, might wait for the

Thu, 2015-10-08 13:02

 Hmm, might wait for the whites then, much easier to get to in a 16ft runabout when the winds up. 

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cheers for the answers chaps

Thu, 2015-10-08 09:12

cheers for the answers chaps

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 Yeah great thread guys,

Thu, 2015-10-08 13:51

 Yeah great thread guys, everyone being civil. Just don't mention footy :P 

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If anyone's keen to go diving

Thu, 2015-10-08 16:36

If anyone's keen to go diving for them while I sit on the deck and listen to tunes, chuck some lures and drink a beer I'd be willing to get the boat out one morning or two. Got a 5m Seafarer

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 Took delivery of these

Thu, 2015-10-08 16:42

 Took delivery of these today.  Plus a couple of hundred metres of rope.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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 They look sweet mate! Where

Thu, 2015-10-08 18:03

 They look sweet mate! Where did you get them from?

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New rule

Thu, 2015-10-08 16:59

 Will be using this new rule and potting with the bro this year out of hillaries.

 

Also dead keen to free dive for them at rotto but from my understanding this will only be effective when the whites start running?? (Bar the honey holes which I expect no one to give up)

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Very solid looking pots

Thu, 2015-10-08 17:28

Some good looking pots you have got there. They look as solid as the proverbial brick house.

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very happy with them

Thu, 2015-10-08 17:41

 

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randall glad you liked my

Thu, 2015-10-08 21:10

randall glad you liked my ''hezzy '' pots

mate I hope you get stuck into some crays wherever you set them

just make sure you store the pots away & out of the weather when not in use , stick an anode in as well to keep your steelys in good nick

keep me posted on your catches etc

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Hezzy makes a killer pot

Fri, 2015-10-09 11:01

Hezzy makes a killer pot boys, I have used them with great success & longevity

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 Be ready after full moon

Fri, 2015-10-09 16:05

 Be ready after full moon October  reckon the whites could go early with the mild winter and warm spring plus whispers pros have been getting some softies already  .

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 And second hezzys pots they

Fri, 2015-10-09 16:06

 And second hezzys pots they are great .

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thanks guys for the feedback

Sat, 2015-10-10 07:43

thanks guys for the feedback

I just make them the old fashioned way the pros have done for ages , strong frames and well bolted together with as much weight as people can handle to pull up in them

these pots hold bottom down off margs no worries even in a big swell

if anyone wants some , pm me

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 Anyone got any advice for

Sat, 2015-10-10 14:02

 Anyone got any advice for craypotting out hillaries/ocean reef/ Mindarie??

 

How are the pot thieves and was the cray fishing ok??

 

any other advice, not long now and terboz and reel addiction will be back on the water 

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 So i have got my hands on

Sun, 2015-10-11 19:11

 So i have got my hands on about 200m of two year old ex pro rope in 10 fathom lengths  with an eye already sliced in one end. I've marked my fliats and branded them with a soldering iron.  I've rubbed some tuna oil around the bait box lids and fitted the anodes.

 

Scored a short length of mains water pvc pipe and cut longitudinal section out so it fits onto the gunwhale and cut a length of old carpet that is fitted between the gunwhale and the pvc.  That drops down over the side and hopefully will protect from too many dings.

 

Will soak the pots this week under the sprinkler and i think i am ready

 

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 where did you get your

Mon, 2015-10-12 05:46

 where did you get your anodes from randall mate?

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 The chanderly at port

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 The chanderly at port bouvard marina had all different sizes.  I got a pair of dome shaped ones for $18.  Bolted to the ballast plate with galvanised bolts.

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 There's a place in Kelmscott

Mon, 2015-10-12 08:05

 There's a place in Kelmscott call Lawcastings, it's all they do. I've bought them from there for commercial purposes. Very reasonably priced.

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lol nah not quite ready

Sun, 2015-10-11 20:24

lol nah not quite ready randall

possibly one more trick to make life easier as below

I have used a 150 mm wide x 40mm thick piece of timber spanned across my boat , cut the length to fit exactly right across the mid ships , it sits right on top of the gunwale , and I just drill a hole in it , drop a bolt down when pulling pots so it stays in place

pull the pot up , , slide it over the edge & onto the board ,into the boat , the pot will sit like that if your steady , keeps the pot waist height as you both can work on it from either side as well , bait It up , remove your crays , etc ,

then when re setting it slides straight back off in to the drink , keeps your back from being bent over pots on the floor and the awkward lifting etc that can go on when pulling them into the boat and resetting them

this works especialy well if your in an alli dinghy , it can be cut to slide/jam right into the upper channel near a rollock holder from side to side midships ,

it stows away when not in use and can be kept low on the floor flat out of the way to one side when fishing

give it ago if you have not already

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Bubbler Caves

Wed, 2015-10-14 13:08

I was told the other day that getting when diving, getting crays out of plastic and wooden "caves" is not illegal.
I looked at the legislation the an couldn't find anything regarding this. Can somebody help clarify this so I can prove them wrong?

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it certainly is illegal

Wed, 2015-10-14 13:16

 If you are talking about pots licenced to someone else. It is theft.

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found it.

Wed, 2015-10-14 13:35

I didn't think of that, looks like its covered in the criminal code. Well played.

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are in confinement and while they are being actually pursued
after escaping from confinement, but not at any other time.

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 just interfering (touching)

Thu, 2015-10-15 15:46

 just interfering (touching) a pot identified as someone elses is an offence even if its your mate and he isnt with you.

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Caught with your hand in the pot

Thu, 2015-10-15 22:25

Is a bit like being caught with your hand in the till, the results can be bad for your health.

I forgot to add, with the new regulations you can pull a pot if, the pot is licenced in two names ie: you both have licences for the same pots and the floats are marked with both licence holders identification number/s.

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 I know coditions aren't

Thu, 2015-10-15 15:08

 I know conditions aren't perfect but has anybody popped their cray cherry for 2015 today?

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 Went ou this morning south

Thu, 2015-10-15 15:24

 Went ou this morning south of Dawesville an picked up our limit diving. Good size but quite a few hairy ladies went back. Was rough and dirty.

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 Nice one dhuiediver do you

Fri, 2015-10-16 06:02

 Nice one dhuiediver do you mind if I ask what depth you are diving in?

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6 to 10m. Got our limit again

Fri, 2015-10-16 13:47

6 to 10m. Got our limit again this morning. Crays well back in the ledges with the surge pretty strong.

 

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 Final job before dropping

Sat, 2015-10-17 14:17

 Final job before dropping the pots tomorrow.

 

Hows this hezzy?

 

 

 

 

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 You could put a geared

Mon, 2015-10-19 02:47

 You could put a geared spindel or pulley at the end of that timber that would hold timber and assist, guide or groove pvc end, Good job sorry i just look at things n get carried away

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Awse

Sat, 2015-10-17 14:21

 That looks the goods Randall..but good luck tomorrow it supposed to blow its rrrs off??

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Two bits of timber would be better

Sat, 2015-10-17 15:19

 Can get rough and slippery out there

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 Dont plan on letting go at

Sat, 2015-10-17 16:05

 Dont plan on letting go at any stage :)

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Hey Randall, what size and

Sat, 2015-10-17 16:30

Hey Randall,
what size and where did you get the PVC if you don't mind me asking.

set my pots today, :)

last year I just had 80mm pvc over the rails which worked pretty good but not quite optimal.

My only (constructive) critism of your set up would be the PVC needs to be longer...preferably the length of the whole gunwale. you will find the rope slips sidways easily off the PVC

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 Found a large building site

Sat, 2015-10-17 17:33

 Found a large building site and saw they had off cutts of water mains pvc.  Asked the site manger and he said to help myself.  That was the longest off cut i could find.  It is temporary.  Until i get a pot tipper.

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Thats good

Sat, 2015-10-17 16:33

 A pot with 24 crays in it and a big wooblygong ha ha

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 .....  sorry should say my

Sat, 2015-10-17 17:31

 .....  sorry should say my deckie wont be letting go..... 

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Weight

Sat, 2015-10-17 18:12

With 3/4 size pots with steel bases, do you guys still add extra weight to deter the arse hats from pulling them?

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that will work randall ,

Sat, 2015-10-17 19:31

that will work randall ,

but I use the black polly pipe and yeh it covers more of my gunwale , how wide is that timber ?? looks about 75 mm max it could be wider , about 100-150mm is better , but if you keep your pot on the outside edge of the boat it will be stable enough at slow speed ,to rebait & reset & again mate it will work till you get your tipper then change up as your go along

swell has been up a bit down south , so no pots in yet for me either

might be next weekend

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 90 x 35. :)

Sat, 2015-10-17 20:18

 90 x 35. :)

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 I've definately put the

Sun, 2015-10-18 06:14

 I've definately put the effort into your prep Randall hope you get some good results. 

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 Looking on Facebook seems

Sun, 2015-10-18 06:15

 Looking on Facebook seems like some guys seem to be finding them already.

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anything in pots yet?

Sun, 2015-10-18 08:11

 Silence is deafening.

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 Look like a few guys on

Sun, 2015-10-18 08:32

 Look like a few guys on Facebook are getting some in pots straight away. Some getting a few, some getting the limit. They all look really dark shell's still 

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 Got four pots in this

Sun, 2015-10-18 11:34

 Got four pots in this morning.  Another two going in on tuesday when the licensee is back from  site.   Not many at the ramp this morning.  New floating jetties at ocean reef are an improvement.

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 What depth are you going in

Sun, 2015-10-18 12:21

 What depth are you going in at Randall?

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 10 m.  On the outside edge

Mon, 2015-10-19 09:44

 10 m.  On the outside edge of some lumps that come up to about six metres.

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 How did you go yesterday

Wed, 2015-10-21 10:27

 How did you go yesterday Randall any luck yet?

I'm flying home on Thursday hopefully I can battle out there Friday moring to get my pots out.

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 First freedive at Rotto was

Mon, 2015-10-19 16:30

 First freedive at Rotto was very slow, only managed 4 crays. 

 

Trying FFB tomorrow 

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first pots pull Tuesday morning.

Wed, 2015-10-21 10:33

four crays.....one keeper. (3 undersize)

mind you didn't have time to paint with tuna oil or soak under sprinkler this year ...just chucked them in.

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 Bagged out today - freedive

Wed, 2015-10-21 15:13

 Bagged out today - freedive looping in 12m on FFB off Rocko. 

none in close on my usual spots, no whites. 

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Good work Notorious, we have

Wed, 2015-10-21 15:40

Good work Notorious, we have pulled the pots twice from 8-10m for 7 tar spot females. Will take your advice and put them out deeper now, thanks for the info!

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 I have found loads of

Thu, 2015-10-22 09:25

 I have found loads of Tarspot females around Rotto right now - not one on the FFB, strange. 

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 Broken the duck.   Got our

Thu, 2015-10-22 06:58

 Broken the duck.   Got our first (but only) cray this morning.

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Still fitting up the pulling gear

Thu, 2015-10-22 10:04

 Got my tipper from mattdee on this forum, looks the goods, and Matt was very helpful and intuitive working wiith just phone pics I had sent of rail and gunwhale measurements. Very different mounting to older glass boats than ali's with flat gunwhales. Tipper is mounted, now finishing off the winch mount. probably worth a thread in the boating section, as I reckon I have come up with a way to cover all bases with a fully removable mount for the winter when we are not potting and it would get in the way of fishing on that side. Crays up here are pretty well zero, as is normal for this time of year, and weather is crap as well, which is also normal. If you have to have a demersal ban, this time of the year is perfect for us 

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 As my earlier post said we

Thu, 2015-10-22 18:25

 As my earlier post said we got our first cray this morning.  One of the other boy's pots had had been raided by either an occy or shark.  It looked like the bait box lid had been pulled out and all the bait gone.  Luckily the wire ties saved the lid.

 

The vis was much better this morning and we got the pots a lit closer to the edge of the reef so hoping for more numbers on sunday.  The boys ate also going to dive on one of their pots which is still well and truly stuck.

 

Anyway, we're on the board and it came out of one of my new "hezzy" pots 

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 Found a pot with fresh bait,

Thu, 2015-10-22 21:39

 Found a pot with fresh bait, no ballast and no rope near an inshore reef behind Garden Island......it was left at the reef as taking pots (that are clearly littering the reef and are no ones anymore is illegal unfortunately) 

Weight your pots adequatley and secure the weight to pot and dont be in such a rush to blame pot thieves if your pots go missing   ;) 

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  I have a laugh at people

Fri, 2015-10-23 05:34

 

 

I have a laugh at people claiming their pots have been pulled and moved 40 m.

 

With the northerly current running at the moment i am struggling to get my pots back anywhere that close to where i had them.  And thats trying, i doubt a pot puller would really care!  I dont think these people understand that light pots 'walk' in any sort of swell.

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Fri, 2015-10-23 08:39

 Get back to us after you've done a full season.

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 BJ, i have been on the water

Fri, 2015-10-23 12:38

 BJ, i have been on the water since the early 70's and worked in a profession that has educated me well in the thinking that goes on in tbe head of a thief.  I dont need to have a full season of crayfishing to know that its extremely unlikely that a thief would take the time to try and put a pot back in tbe spot that he took it from.  He will pull it, raid it at drop it.  Reducing the risk of being caught in possession of it.   I have seen people claim their pots have been moved 40m....  a boat drifts a lot further that 40m in the time it takes to pull and emtpy its contents.  Probably more a case that they have 20 m of rope on the pot and the current or wind has changed direction, and tbe reason they haven't got any crays is (like me) their pots arent in tbe right spot.  I believe people are far too quick to cry pot pullers rather than admit theyre shit crayfishermen.  I dont deny it happens.  But doubt it happens in tbe circumstances being claimed.

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 BJ, i have been on the water

Fri, 2015-10-23 12:38

 BJ, i have been on the water since the early 70's and worked in a profession that has educated me well in the thinking that goes on in tbe head of a thief.  I dont need to have a full season of crayfishing to know that its extremely unlikely that a thief would take the time to try and put a pot back in tbe spot that he took it from.  He will pull it, raid it at drop it.  Reducing the risk of being caught in possession of it.   I have seen people claim their pots have been moved 40m....  a boat drifts a lot further that 40m in the time it takes to pull and emtpy its contents.  Probably more a case that they have 20 m of rope on the pot and the current or wind has changed direction, and tbe reason they haven't got any crays is (like me) their pots arent in tbe right spot.  I believe people are far too quick to cry pot pullers rather than admit theyre shit crayfishermen.  I dont deny it happens.  But doubt it happens in tbe circumstances being claimed.

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Fri, 2015-10-23 17:16

Ok, I'm bored so I'll play along. So with your one week, one cray, one stuck pot crayfishing experience you reckon a pot wont be pulled and moved 40 metres?

Uncle and I had two pulled last year in shallow, one was 20 metres off the mark and the other was about 50 metres. Both empty and in the middle of a sand patch, all other pots still in position and full of crays.

What do you think the modus operandi of a cray thief might be?

a) Pull it usually at the crack of dawn (just able to see), zoom away, plunder it and dump it.

b) Pull it like they own it (crack of dawn), not zoom off, plunder it and then dump it.

I reckon b because it wouldn't draw attention to themselves.

How long do you reckon it would take to empty a pot? I reckon 30 secs if you were really going because lets face it your not rebaiting, your also not going to size your illegal crays either right there and then. How far would a boat drift in the calm weather window of the early morning in 30 secs? Not far IMO.

Sure guys lose gear through long ropes on the surface, too lightly weighted etc but believe you me, pot pullers are out there. I hope we don't suffer it again this year but as you would know through your line of work, the world is full of pricks.

 

 

 

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 I dont doubt it happens.  I

Fri, 2015-10-23 17:31

 I dont doubt it happens.  I just think there are many who are too quick to jump to conclusions.  One of our pots came up the other day with no crays and the bait lid bowed off (still wire tied either end) and the bait gone.  Had it been pulled?  I dont think so.  I reckon an occy has got to it though.  The fact that it had no crays reflects more on us as novice cray fisherman rather than anything else.

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To quote

Fri, 2015-10-23 17:41

"I have a laugh at people claiming their pots have been pulled and moved 40m".

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 I know what i wrote 

Fri, 2015-10-23 18:25

 I know what i wrote 

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Weight

Fri, 2015-10-23 07:57

So what do you guys call "light"? I have steel based 3/4 pots this year and hadnt thought about adding extra weight, but, based on many of the commencts here perhaps I should.

How many of those railway plates (?) should you add to the pot and how do you secure them properly? Cable ties?

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pot ballast - where to get some Rockingham area

Fri, 2015-10-23 08:31

G'Day

I'm after some more weight for the pots. I have one of those rail plates in each pot but I'm after more to really weight them down. Does anyone lnow of a place in Rokko where I could get some?
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 Complete angler and camping

Fri, 2015-10-23 08:56

 Complete angler and camping dixson rd, tell em Pete sent ya

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thanks Pete

Fri, 2015-10-23 09:50

I'll head in this arvo, they get half my pay anyway so a little bit more won't hurt.

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 There is shit loads of pot

Fri, 2015-10-23 18:35

 There is shit loads of pot pullers. Happens every morning in most places. How about the time fisheries set up a sting set two pots just out from the Sisters. Filmed them and got plenty of pricks helping themselves to them in ONE weekend. At the time crays were hard to find but you cant excuse them for that. 

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 While we're on the subject

Fri, 2015-10-23 19:27

 While we're on the subject of pot pullers, we're all aware that it happens and as much as it does suck when your pretty sure your pot has been tampered with, I'd much rather have the odd pot raided then some prick steal them completely. To me it's just all part of the game. But if you get out there at the crack of dawn, and make your pots heavy as hell then you can minimise the risk a little bit. I've also considered putting on 3 floats to my pots to give them a "pro pot" look to try deter the pot pullen pricks. Also I usually pot with a mate, so between us we have 4 pots, if 1 has been pulled it is a bit disappointing but when the whites are running we can usually get our limit from the other 3 pots anyway. I'm in no way saying that pot pulling should go on tho, I think they should be skinned alived, just trying to shed some light on the subject 

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Extra ballast for cray pots

Fri, 2015-10-23 19:33

Di Candillo steel on Guildford road have a bin of steel plate off cuts that you can go through.

excellent pot ballast, just tack weld to the bottom of your pot or drill a couple of holes in them and wire to wooden slat bottom pots

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 Thank fark I don't fish for

Fri, 2015-10-23 19:56

 Thank fark I don't fish for them metro, though it does happen up our way. It's happened to me , as the wankers had the balls to rebait ours and they dropped them back on the same lump. . So that leads me to believe a local who can keep an eye on proceedings out there full time. 

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interesting read guys

Fri, 2015-10-23 20:15

Fact - pots get pulled
How to resolve -
Like a few of you suggest and yes add more weight than just steel base. so their little cracker head arms cant lift them.
Put them out further and get up earlier. Also have fun

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Our pots go untouched

Sat, 2015-10-24 08:19

Our pots go untouched generally, they have appropriate ballast & not in a high traffic area. However school holidays arrive, pots do move around 50m & have broken batons on top with crays raided. We either get to them early for the crays but still doesn't stop broken batons.... once a kind thief decided to add a new ballast plate with new SS fixings to my pot. Amazing how this does not happen outside of holiday makers frequenting the area.

Or the sting operation during said period when fisheries on the hill observed boats launching from canal's & pulling a string of pots on the 20m ledge off yallingup. 

Yes wandering pots without enough ballast or fishing wrong ground results in accusations of pullers but those that know their cray fishing also know when they have been done over & it happens. Scum dog phucks that deserve a good old fashioned carpark flogging with vessel modifications, fines are no deterrent

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 Marine saftey officers

Sat, 2015-10-24 09:31

 Marine saftey officers active at both ocean reef and mindarie this morning.  Saftey and license checks and checking for stol property.

 

Good to see.

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launch

Sat, 2015-10-24 11:49

 be careful not to launch a pot ralph hehe!!!

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Dunno what u mean...

Sat, 2015-10-24 12:04

  I never actually landed one ON the flybridge, did I...proably safe with just a capstan