Deep Water Soft Plastics
Submitted by seansurfy on Sun, 2008-05-11 17:53
Has anyone out there had any experience using large soft plastics on heavier tackle(PE2 - PE8) in deeper water (40 - 150m)? I'm looking at techniques, tackle, rigs and lures for trophy fish like XOS snapper, coral trout, emperors, sambos, tuna, etc...
hlokk
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At that depth I would
At that depth I would suspect you might need a glow or scented SP? Not much light at 150m. That and a big jighead if theres any current. Other than that, no clue.
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yes
yes... put one on the usual rig instead of occy or squid and bang..... first drop... big red..... try it... you will not be dissapointed....
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big cod
Can be a real pain when doing this - unfortunately they like such presentations and are quick to nab them - and bringing them up from depth isnt good for them or you.
But if you are in an area where they arent present in big numbers it will work for other species.....
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100 m plus
Still plenty of light out in 100m plus water, I have some 6 oz lumo jigs on 8/0 and 10/0 hooks and some big 8 and 10 inch paddle tails , some nice fish come up on them but only ever used them north of the 26th parallel, and only in water to 60 m deep.
Chucked them off Steep point too and got some average snapper on them ( 4 to 6 kilo) and hooked a god size YTK but you hardly ever land the kings up there because they are all horses of 20 kg plus.
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hlokk
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If theres plenty of light at
If theres plenty of light at 100m then why use lumo
Light of course still gets down much deeper than 100m in clear water, but then how often is it clear? Point was, in 100m+ of water, you're relying more on smell and artificial light (e.g. lumo) than sunlight illuminating your bait. From what I understand this is true, but happy to be proven wrong.
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Light still gets down
Light still gets down but at 150m+ theres not going to be heaps of light. I probably didnt explain myself very well though :p. Hopefully I can clarify:
At that depth, theres not a lot of light (there is still some though). A fish 10m away wont see the plastic and come rushing over to it if its a dark shape with no smell (which it might do if it was near the surface in clear water). A fish close by however would be able to make out an outline. However, if theres a scent trail to follow or a glowing light, it will attract fish from a wider range, and therefore have a better hookup rate.
Soft plastics in comparitively shallow water work mostly by visual action and I just dont see how they could work as effectively very deep down without scent or some light attractant (wouldnt nessicarily have to be on the SP itself though). If you had a paddletail SP it would also give off vibrations the fish could pick up, but I dont know the range.
edit: from the second link: "...making a glowing bait enhancer important for increasing the strike zone"
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Of course the fish dont
Of course the fish dont glow, if they did they would all be eaten! lol. Not being eaten is a great thing if you are a fish, but not if you're my bait. Also, how many fish do you know that dont smell or dont move :p Scenting your SP's or something in the vicinity is going to help.
Maverick, when are you going to take me out deep and teach me a few things first hand
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The light intensity will
The light intensity will diminish with depth, but most colour is lost after 70 odd meters.
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I have seen underwater
I have seen underwater footage out the back of rotto in 100 meters plus and there is plenty of light you would be suprised just how light it is
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funny how when we fished out
funny how when we fished out around the 100m mark, I was using Glow stick and the are quite bright. While I had those on caught nothing. But as soon as I removed them started catching Pink snapper and Red snapper.
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Strobe
I have had some good catches with the strobe lights during the day out on the Derwent , well that was untill a B I G bitey decided to eat the fish and rig I had on at the time , sad way to lose $10 worth of rig .
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Most fish are colorblind, fish can see color shadings, reflected light, shapes and movement!
Up to 200m there's light, when you go over that edge the light penetration really drops off. Sean, im using big 5-8inch grubs & snapbacks (pinks/glows/whites etc) with Gamakatsu extra wide G-lock hooks on my patternoster rigs. If the current/drift allows i'll use the H/D TT jig heads by themselves with the same SP's!
Technique, eratic small jig-n-twicth technique and always work it up a bit further than expected and if no hits drop it back to the strike zone. With the patternoster rigs i use the rod to make the SP rise/create action, not the same but works in deeper water & currents etc.....mix it up!
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