Drumline Delay .. Threats
What a circus , a couple of commercial fishos have pulled the pin due to personal threats , the cops are investigating a death threat towards the fisho minister . Barnett is now proposing having fisheries do the metro work and one private mob down south is still hanging in there . All fingers are pointed towards a conveniently newly formed formed group that have instigated the intimidation . The established groups therefore can maintain their non violent mantra . The activists have had a win .
Fisheries had prior opportunity to take a few easy pickings under the radar but it didn't happen . Then Barnett announces drumlines with a couple of months notice , I'm half thinking they were creating a media diversion away from other issues and playing silly buggars with all of us .
Personally I don't have issues with drumlines .. sharks big and small are increasingly dominating our coastline and need to be thinned out imo ( not eradicated btw ) otherwise at some point in the future they'll be all we catch . Currently the main recruiting spiel the activists are using is that cute dolphins will be bycatch , never heard of a dolphin taking a hook myself and also the bait will bring more sharks in , I would think only if their in the vicinity .. but the average punters are sucked in by this sort of stuff .
Whatever , we're all not going to agree that's the nature of the beast but the other half of the populations opinion should be respected and others should abide by the umpires decision without fanatical extremism threatening violence . It's a bloody fish , a few less won't be the end of the world , put your time into more worthy causes , there's plenty out there . But I suppose the spotlight isn't focussed there and the donations ( wages ) won't be as substantial for the so called passive conservationist organisations .
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THE GERMAN
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im
with ya mate well said
axey45
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A baby dolphin took my live
A baby dolphin took my live bait, dont know if he got hooked but pull my rod into the water, got rod back, they wouldnt take a bait otherwise, there just media players trying to get there five minutes of fame.
Jason P
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Some of these Greenies are
Some of these Greenies are more like Eco-terrorists. Be very interested to see if the drum lines actually target the correct species and size that they are targeting. Nothing worse than getting a by catch like a whale as the media will have a field day with that.
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petermac
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agree with you chris
totally support the drum lining , but I bet the Barnett government will back down on it , blokes like that peterffy
make a job out of getting involved like this stuff , when he was dragged on that Japanese whaler they should have keelhauled him ( and according to the laws of the sea they could have) I don't agree with whaling but don't agree with his mobs tactics
Buz
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Dolphin caught on Drumline
Here you go Chris. Just one that thankfully was found in time that survived and was rehabilitated. Most arent usually found in time. This is over east though and they use smaller hooks than what was proposed for here in WA.
http://paradisecountry.com.au/sitecore/archive/content/seaworld-old/research-and-rescue/marine-rescues/rehabilitated-drum-line-dolphin.aspx
thesupervisor
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im sure we could get a crew
im sure we could get a crew from fish wrecked to do the drum lines
count me inn
getting the bottom line final answer from a bunch of blokes that use false names and put smiley faces at the end of paragraphs is not the best place in the world to get the information you seek.
clogwog
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Certainly is a circus,
Certainly is a circus, Barnett had to be seen doing something in the wake of numerous attacks, the attacks certainly would not be good for tourism.
i'm not one for senseless killing of animals but have to say that the increase in attacks are showing that there is either an increase in numbers of sharks or more attack due to an increased population in WA but that's one for the scientists.
As usual there are some environmentalist who are taking things to the extreme but personally I believe that making death threats is on the border of terrorism and certainly un australian. Part of the greenies anger may be due to the quick fire decision to kill sharks made from Barnett based on another attack rather then scientific data.
You may ask where I sit on this, I personally believe that there is an imbalance in the Eco system and that it may be necessary to thin out some sharks, not saying slay every shark but just take some out of the equation.
sea-kem
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Personal threats of any kind
Personal threats of any kind are not a nice thing, and I know personally from recent experience. These pricks should have the book thrown at them IMO, wrong or right the decisions been made let's just get on with it and see what the outcome is. And I'm sure the greeny element are reading these threads, you are doing yourselves no favours, fuck ya's you'll never have my vote.
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Rig
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footy
your not still upset about the football season are you seakem?
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Ha ha memory like an
Ha ha memory like an elephant Rig.
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randall df223
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Can I be the devils
Can I be the devils advocate? How does the average joe blow elector know threats have been made? Because the pollys say so.... the same pollys that have an interest in discrediting those who stand against them???
Lets see how the investigation pans out and if anyone is actually charged. If so, are they activists, or someone else stirring the pot. Dont get sucked in by either side.
I know where I stand on this issue. My choice is, I dont want to get attacked by a shark so I stay out of the water. My son is right into free diving, he makes an informed decision when he goes in and he knows the risks.
I dont like the policy, but then again I dont like that ellenbrook doesnt have a railway line, or a fast transit bus system, or the high school extensions have been delayed. Theres a lot I dont like about this government's decisions. And that comes from a life long liberal voter (until the last election)
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Well here's some copy and
Well here's some copy and paste from their facebook ..
Marine Response Unit Good news! MRU activists paid them a visit with camera for Recce and tape measure too measure their doorway
Quest Maritime Services are rumoured to be next in line favourites too complete the hunt. I rang both of their bosses today on 0428945211 and
0499799709 and they would not deny that they did would be involved in the mass slaughter of our marine wildlife.
One of our main objectives is to find out who the final tender applicant is. We need your help.
Please share this status and ask all your contacts to help. We need legitimate contact that leads to the identification of the third applicant. PM me with any leads
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Big Fella
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It works over east not many
It works over east not many attacks reported, and they still catch them fishing for the everyday spieces.
http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/shark-alert-surfers-and-swimmers-warned-of-peril/1094299/
reece
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Let's get the coffin
Let's get the coffin cheaters to run the drum lines?? That'll f@$k em!
Any one free to help me pull my drum lines tomorrow?
mrwinta
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I was thinking the same
I was thinking the same thing!
NEVER PUSH YOUR GRANNY WHEN SHE'S SHAVING
chris raff
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Captain Muppet with some
Captain Muppet with some other muppeteers .. soaking up their 15min of fame . Safety gear looks non existent , To top it off their using my local Woodies ramp as well , they'd want to be familiar with boatramp etiquette .
" We just hit 1000 likes in 3 days of creating our Facebook page! Rian Caccianiga is our 1000th like!
Thanks to everyone who has supported Marine Response Unit since we set up and created our Facebook page. This just goes to show how much support there is out there for direct action if a marine cull goes ahead. "
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Rig
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DOT
looks like DOT could have a field day there, if these guys start harrassing fisheries I am sure they will be getting checked pretty regularly
Swompa
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I hope they didnt blow the
I hope they didnt blow the sticker budget
Lastchance
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Interesting name on the
Interesting name on the 1000th like - Rian Catch-a-what?
crasny1
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LMFAO
Not aloud to say that word anymore, especially in the US.
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Toby Roe
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I wonder what the passenger
I wonder what the passenger capacity is for that boat? 6 people seems like a lot for a boat that size. Maybe the photo should be sent to DOT
uncle
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speaking of culling
all aggressive fish love bigjohnsjigs
crasny1
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Launched at Woodies????
I think its just a normal bunch of Rockingham locals going for a crab!!!!
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Facebook
What is the name of the facebook page, one is in need of a good laugh
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Dont know
But whatever you do - DONT like. I dont even know if there is such a button, but by God I would be pushing it.
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https://www.facebook.com/Mari
https://www.facebook.com/MarineResponseUnit?fref=ts
Enjoy boys! Ridiculously ill informed undergraduates this mob.
Willlo
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Should have saved that one
Should have saved that one for the Friday Funnies Chris.Cant see that mob of idiots causing much drama.Maybe for sea rescue.These greenies shit me to tears they get all the marine parks and sanctuaries they wanted from the govt and now they are arent happy with the govt decision on the sharks,talk about spoilt brats.Just shows you give em an inch and they will take a mile.
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carnarvonite
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Rent a Rabble
Bunch of drug f$%^$d tree huggers who suddenly have woken up that there are things that live in the water that they do their best to avoid because that will mean they won't pong any more, and now want to push their views on everyone and don't give a toss on who they upset on the way.
Anarchy reigns supreme if you can stop the Government wheels from turning in a smooth motion.
I may not be in favour of the cull because they are going to dump whatever they catch. That is the only reason, though if I still had the markets we had before when I was in the game and had the same set up I'd be there in a shot.
petermac
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consequences
wonder what will happen to the greenies when a pro fisherman catches them tampering with his gear, oh yeah I think I know and the greenies wont like it haha
Jason P
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Interesting, Can spot
Interesting, Can spot numerous maritime safety rules broken in that picture. Looks like they may end up as shark bait or just waste Sea rescues time.
DM306
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Why not just open the
Why not just open the fisherie on great whites for a few years catch release only at the moment the sharks have nothing to fear maybe after a few have been caught a couple of times they mite start giving the inshore waters a miss
bradz
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Tampering
What is the penalty for tampering with a professionals fishing equipment?
They have openly said that they would do everything they can (but non-violently - how nice of them) to stop the fishing. Surely it will be easy to prosecute them.
Im not in support, neither against drum lines, but seriously, could a dolphin realistically get a size 40/0 into its gob?
As for Barnett, he is in a pretty good situation now. He has made a decision to implement drum lines. Apparenetly the public has now spoken and it may not go ahead as planned. So, if another attack happens he can simply point to the greenies and say "this is what you wanted, you speak to the mouring family".
Personnally I dont think drum lines are the answer, but in the absence of a better idea, its not a bad one.
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uncle
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fisheries sounds good
they can be backed up by police and the navy, luv to see that!!!!! throw them in the water with their mates,close encounters ha ha
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rabbit22
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social protesting
Not many places in the world where you can have a soy latte then go down and have a nice little protest on the beach.
During the beach protest there was possibly one third against the cull, another third against the government and the rest of the poor buggers trying to enjoy a quiet morning down the beach when the joint gets over-run. Sensationalist crap!
If people are really concerned about saving shark populations they should get off their backsides and stop shark finning in our North. Unfortunately that is too far away, and a bit hot, so it is far easier to jump on facebook or fit the protest into a social day out.
As mentioned these clowns have shown intent that they are willing to break the law, if someone says they're going to assault you action can be taken to make sure the law is not broken. Same with these turkeys, ban them from boat ramps or set an exclusion zone for those that have stated openely they will break the law, or let them break the law and throw the book at them. (can't wait to see one thumb-cuff themselves to a bait)
Every species needs a tune-up and I expect sharks are no different, we have been getting them used to human interaction much the same as we have done with crocs. By trying to make a buck out them we have now gotten them used to boats and chumming up to attract the buggers so we can make some money out of the show has been one of the most irresponsible acts we could perform. Looking at the range a pointer travels in its lifetime it is not unreasonable to assume that some of the sharks that have been "trained" to approach vessels in South Australia would certainly be passing through the region at some stage, personally I don't want myself or someone else dropping over the side at that time. The sooner we stop the practice of making a pointer a tourist attraction the better, if we are serious about conserving the species set an exclusion zone similar to whales where you cannot approach.
Hats off to those that have had some crap shark experiences and have the attitude that we are in "their" ocean, well, yes we are but if we can give the general public confidence to get to the beach so they are not sitting on their arse at home, in the aircon, watching tv and eating icecream then we can probably address some pretty alarming obesity stats.
Personally if I had a noah sucking on my leg I'd be heading staright to my local fish n chip shop and chewing on the biggest bit of flake I could find!
semi-end of rant...
RobertMc
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The bait from the drum lines
The bait from the drum lines won't bring any more sharks in, we already have 10000 cray pots sitting off our coast the sharks are already there...
marrisy
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yep
a valid point.
81macca
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I agree with drum lines
I agree with drum lines getting put in close to protect swimmers, divers and surfers as the amount of shark attacks we have had in recent times is just unnatural. People say there are more people in the water and that there are no natural prey because of over fishing. There is probably less people in the water because of all the bloody attacks! Our fishery in the SW and metro is as good as I have seen it and getting better, due to very tight bag limits a three month ban and cray fisherman no longer tacking scale fish. So plenty of food for the sharks. What really hurts is the plagues of whaler sharks that have destroyed arguably the worlds best jigging destination off Rotto. As well as drum lines to protect our beaches WA also need more pro shark fishermen off shore to protect our scale fish. Not just metro but the entire WA coast is crawling with the bloody things, how many fish north of Shark Bay do you kill in order to get your bag limit? Bag limits are useless in the north because easily 50% of your catch is taken by sharks and dead anyway.
I actually fish.
crasny1
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I just about had enough of green minorities
thinking they can push everything their way. And if they cant because they dont get enough support then they use these extreme tactic.
I certainly would be happy to launch my boat and form a barrier to their little duckie to protect the drum lines. Even though I dont think it is the perfect answer, its an answer.
I do hope that the authorities take a dim view on this type of behaviour. If they get away with it, what stops others from taking the law into their own hands.
I dont believe the 110kph limit in the NW is perfect, but have to stick with it because thats the law. Next time up there might just go 130 and if caught claim Im green and protesting, and my mates got away with this crap in the SW over drum lines -- somehow I think I wont get far.
Then Why should they???
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Dreamtime
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We all know the risk were taking.
Wtf is wrong with you people? Seven people die(all of them knowing that sharks actually do live in the ocean) and everyone starts loosing their shit. How many sharks do we already kill every year again??? And seven of us get taken in 3 years... Woopdy bloody doo. What does everyone think is going to happen with the amount of people in the water these days and of course we are going to spot more of them with choppers in the air which sole purpose is to find sharks not to mention all the boats on the water these days. Wanna feel safe from sharks?? Buy a bloody shark shield or stay at home.
red dawn
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it would be
an interesting exercise to padlock yourself to their boat to prevent them from "going about their business" if you had the time and felt strongly enough about the issue...
damo6230
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Short term memory loss Chris
Democracy working at its best
Oh my is it a coincidence that our mate Rex is now advertising on TV.......
chris raff
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Damo ,Damo, Damo you
Damo ,Damo, Damo you indulged in eatting far too many paint chips as a kid ... But I still luvs ya
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squidder
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No matter
what is done on this matter we will all debate +'s and -'s.
What should be happening is all drum line operators craft should be fitted with live streaming to a Public website so ALL can see what may be caught on these drum lines.
JAT
Howard George
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no need Squidder
The drum lines are only 1 k offshore and the guy from Augusta who got the contract "reportedly" will be in the sights of a lot of camera's from shore. Actually I think you may have met the guy at a meeting you and I attended.
Fish13
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There is a no Wa Shark cull
There is a no Wa Shark cull forum at the Alexander Library. Its being run by briteevents and Seasheperd. I'll be there and sure to cop a hammering. I do hear that a few tackle industry guys will be there too.