Federal Government considers banning bullbars
Bullbars could be banned under changes to the national road safety rules currently being considered by the Federal Government.
The Government has invited public comment on proposed changes to the design rules for cars.
Aimed at improving safety for pedestrians, the changes include the mandatory redesign of cars from 2012-13 and could see bullbars being outlawed.
The executive director of the Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association says there have been similar changes to road rules in Europe.
Stuart Charity says the changes will effectively eliminate bullbars on the grounds they are a danger to pedestrians.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/01/25/3120821.htm
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No Bullbars - Where will
No Bullbars - Where will Sherbs put his Mackeral Head?
saltatrix
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Where are the fishing rod
Where are the fishing rod holders going to be mounted?
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Illegal
Thats already illegal, local cops up here pull you up for it. (not enforced strictly though)
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MattMiller
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I was pulled
up for that down here a couple of years ago during leavers (metro hero copper) and pleaded ignorant that i didn't know they were illegal. The cop asked me if I could remove them there and then, I politely did so and was on my way with a caution. Just put them back on the next time I went fishing And they've stayed there ever since
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I sovled that problem by
I sovled that problem by putting the rod holders on the inside of my roo bar. So they 'do not protrude out from the front of the bar'. Actually had a Police Officer at a leavers roadside checkpoint comment on them and said as long as there is no sharp edges protruding out they are fine.
MattMiller
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Yeah, well aware
of that loophole Buz but it's a little hard on mine. My Hilux has a ARB bullbar which sits about 2inches from the bonnet.
Buz
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Hmmm yes can see it being a
Hmmm yes can see it being a problem with the ARB bullbars. Slight advantage of a roo bar i guess. Mind you roo bar probably wouldn't hold up as good against skip at 100km/h as a bull bar would!
nightfish
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no bullbars
I guess the two tonne of vehicle behind the bullbar will bounce off the pedestrian?
tommytomato
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that sucks, what nextTT (
that sucks, what next
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Happy Hooker
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Bullbars are only dangerous to pedestrians
If the pedestrian walks infront of my 4WD .
Maybe the govt should pass legislation that all pedestrians wear bicycle helmets........
crasny1
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Its bloody Pew group again
Now they want to look after the welfare of cows and roos, instead of the welfare of the occupants of the vehicles.
Bloody greenies.
Neels
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synthos
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comparing us to europe?
I cant believe they compare OZ to europe. the most dangerous animal crossing the road there is the Hugest breastius swedish tourist, no roos etc. Yes bullbars are not safe for pedestrians and hooker & nightfish said it well.
Oh and what about our exisitng bars?
Our babysitting government is a joke.
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Maybe the govt should pass
Maybe the govt should pass legislation that all pedestrians wear bicycle helmets..
Yes, if you are in the UBD business district then it should be compulsary to wear a bike helmet. Lets face it, falling off your bike is nothing compared to being hit by a city bus.
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till
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Umm dude, this has been going
Umm dude, this has been going on since 2001;
http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/Topic/267/Push_to_Ban_Bull_bars_is_on_again.aspx
Tony Halliday
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well mines not a bullbar,it's
well mines not a bullbar,
it's a roo-defection-kinetic-potential-energy device
And who is going to tell all those truckies to remove their bars???? and the mine vehicles and the farmers etc...????
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There is no phuckin' way that
There is no phuckin' way that I would be without my bullbar being in a rural area, the amount of roos I already 'safely' dodge at night coming home from work is ridiculous as it is. What about the guys up north with some cattle thrown into the mix? Article in the local rag a couple of weeks back has the local govt thinking of giving property owners here more flexibility in culling of roo's as there have been a shit load of accidents with increased numbers. That should get the cow humping roo tuggers all fired up! Bullbar replaced with a 303 hehehe
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Nah waste of Powder! 223 is
Nah waste of Powder! 223 is fine!
fishintruckie
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They will have to have an
They will have to have an exemption clause in the legislation for heavy vehicles and people living in regional areas or people who can prove a genuine need for a bullbar.
carnarvonite
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Glee
Barnett will be rubbing his hands with glee at the thought of a new revenue stream for the licencing of roo bar users. Though I have to agree that a lot of the vehicles in the metro area never see a country road let alone a roo shouldn't have one unlike up here where they are literally right on our doorstep.
7739ian
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No common sense
sorry, but 90% of the 4WD's, trucks and other vehicles that have them don't need them as they rarely go where kangaroos are an issue. Those of us who live in the country and those who travel to the country regulary DO. I have cleaned up half a dozen roos around the SW in the last few years, with varying results - up to $6000 worth of repairs to a Ford Ranger last year - even with a roo bar on.
Tony Halliday
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yip I agree with you. knocked
yip I agree with you. knocked over my fair share of skips too on my mine trips.
My Jeep has abar on it, as we go north with it and inland, my Ford Ranger does local driving and maybe a trip south now and again, so it does not have one or need one.
too many Urban cowboys out there with tricked up utes and trucks that never see a bit of dirt in their lives or the chance of a roo strike!
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Amazingly though most of
Amazingly though most of these Urban 4wds i see, you know the mahoosive 4x4 with blinged up mags and paint that wouldnt know the meaning of a scratch, dont actually seem to put bull or roo bars on their 4x4's.
I drop my partner off at the primary school she works at sometimes, and most the prado brigade (what we call the mums that drop their kids off in 4x4's, which are usually prado's) actualy dont have any form of front protection. Get the odd parent that does have front protection but alot of the time you can see that it has done some offraod work, in the form or racing scratches up the sides or some aerodynamic dents!
This is just the usual cycle of the 'lets ban bullbars to save pedestrians'. I remeber when they tried to do it last time they proved that statistiacally more pedestians are killed by being hit by vehicles that dont have front protection. If they were really serious about peotecting pedestrians on the road, they would just ban any moving vehicles, even bikes!
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It looks like the federal
It looks like the federal government has thrown a smoke bomb to detract from all the other goings on.
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Or given the monkey a banana
Or given the monkey a banana to keep it occupied for a while
Vander72
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good luck with that
i read an article in our local paper here in bris. and people who have bullbars were all called urban mick dundees and we all had beer guts.... according to the article anyway...... i look nothing like mick dundee and def. dont have a beer gut.... yes can see my old fella and me toes.......i think the articles author should get out and see just who owns a 4wd or vehicle with a bull bar and then re-phrase the name calling.......cause i take offence to it.........and have written him an e-mail letting him know to get out from behind the desk and get into the real world
i think also most vehicles that have a bull bar would be in excess off 2 tonne so good luck to pedestrians or animals that get hit by that vehicle without a bullbar.......still gonna f@#$ em and they will stay hit regardless
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Hahah Urban Mich Dundee, did
Hahah Urban Mich Dundee, did they say yous carry a big knife also!
Agree on the if you get hit by something 2 tonne you are going to be fairly messed up anyhow. But their argument is that with a bull bar there is no softening to the blow (like the crumpling of the front bonet of a car, very softening i'm sure), but also that most bull/roo bars are designed to push the animal (pedestrian) under the vehicle instead of smashing them over the bonnet then roof. Can undertsnad that idea but i'm sure going over the roof would still hurt.
Personnally if they were really serious they would get every pedestrian to wear a hi vis vest if they are going to walk streetside.
From memory dont remember Mick Dundee having a beer gut!
If they are serious about 4wd's, introduce a different class of license where if the vehicle is over a certain weight you have to do it, like a truck LR or MR licence. Because seriously the amount of d#*ks on the road that you see driving big 4x4's, and/or towing boats, trailers and carvans that drive them like they are a little hatchbacks are phenominal.
Sorry little pet peeve of mine.
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Show us the statistics that
Show us the statistics that allows these dickheads to come up with these ideas. Anytime they want to get off their pushbike and come to the real world I will be glad to show them why we have bullbars.
nackers
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fat chance
if the govnment wants mine x2 they can buy them off me and wont b cheap either while they are at it they should stop importing cigarettes and lose all the revenue raised by them kills more than a few bullbars here here mr speaker f%#$en puppets thats jmo
Buz
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Online Survey
Got this link to an Online Survey from ARB.
http://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/317270/Bull-Bars-Under-Threat
spanishmackeral
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what are they gonna do
what are they gonna do next?
maybe they should just be like switzerland and make it illegal to make any additions to your car after bought from a dealer!
Buz
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Man that would suck if you
Man that would suck if you didn't get cupholders stock standard! Many a burnt crotch i would imagine
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"maybe they should just be
"maybe they should just be like switzerland and make it illegal to make any additions to your car after bought from a dealer!"
The thing about that Spanish Mackerel is with the new VSC vehicle stability control fitted to any vehicle will mean that virtually no changes will be able to be made to the vehicle as it will bugger up the computer settings for braking etc.
The world is getting all a bit Nazi SS for my liking..
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bullbars.....
In the split nanosecond before I slammed into the side of a subaru (the P-plate driver failed to stop at a stop sign) on my mountain bike I thought I hope I don't go over the roof......
Although I smashed my jaw/teeth up at least I didn't break arms, legs etc from going over the roof.
The front end suspension saved me there....... but my second thought was I hope I don't get run over on the road as I bounced back off the subaru and landed in the middle of the daul lane road........ (the ambo's almost got cleaned up though as they assisted me......)
And far more people get killed fishing so are we next to be banned
Yep thay can buy mine back off our two 4X4 cause here in the Kimberley you need them.
And fat chance I'll pay a tax considering I'm already paying for BS taxes that support coffers that statisically kill more people.
Reminds me of all the law suits in Las Vegas cause all the dumbarse gringos stepped back onto LV Boulavard and got smaked by cars when trying to take photographs of the 'bright lights".......
Gully
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Yeah it seems this one pops
Yeah it seems this one pops up every few years,
Hopefully it falls on deaf ears again and they use a bit of common sense
Simo_
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stupid idea, bunch of Clowns
stupid idea, bunch of Clowns
Bring on April
drew_ward
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but if i hit a pedestrian im
but if i hit a pedestrian im goin to damage my car:0..I dont see the logic:P
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dimersal net
I,m gonna get a dimersal net put on mine then, hopefully they,ll ban them too,
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if they ban the bull bars ,
if they ban the bull bars , where are they going to mout the spotties that we need to spot the roos far enough away so we dont need them .
bloody rediculous idea
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Absolutley crap, I work shift
Absolutley crap, I work shift work and i drive home at all times of the day/night passing heaps of roos every day on the way home to Serpentine !!!
My bull bar has saved my car at least a half a dozen times there is no way i will ever take that bad boy off !!!
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So does that mean that a cars front end is softer
on impact than with a bullbar. I can see the logic though. Imagine that extra 50cm of stopping distance that would be gained. The advantages are boundless. It would also help the council reduce spending by letting the roos do roadside mowing instead of them. I think we need a reconsider here people.
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i have a short wheel based
i have a short wheel based landcruiser (BJ70) with a bull bar so my car wouldnt be over 2 tonne but if i hit you without a bull bar fitted, bugger me if you will go over the roof, you go strait under, understandable about banning sedans or wagons with bullbars as you probably will just roll over the top if hit but thats my opinion, my bullbar is stayin thats for sure
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common sense
Pedestrian Safety and Bull Bars
The Parliamentary Secretary for Infrastructure and Transport, Catherine King, restated again that the Government will not be banning bull bars.
"Over recent weeks I have received strong feedback through the consultation process associated with the Regulation Impact Statement (RIS) proposing the adoption of an international standard on pedestrian safety," Ms King said.
"Following careful consideration of the views and concerns put by individuals and stakeholders, I have decided that the proposal is not suitable for Australian conditions and I have directed the Department to withdraw the Regulation Impact Statement," Ms King said.
"While the Government is committed to improving the safety of pedestrians, we also recognise that bull bars play a positive role in the safety of vehicle occupants.
"In no circumstances will the Government consider banning bull bars or contemplate any lessening of the protection they provide. We are committed to ensuring that people remain fully protected in animal strikes and other hazardous situations where bull bars play a key role," Ms King said.
Ms King has now asked Department to consult with interested parties on the options for improving pedestrian safety.
Tony Halliday
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at last some sanity!Some one
at last some sanity!
Some one give that lady a drink on us!
I have been putting off putting a new bull bar on my new ute I got in ausgust, due to the fact I use it to drive into the city most days of the week, and I was worried they would outlaw bullbars from inner city roads etc, and make them only legal on country roads.
Well now I can relax and get one on soon.
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WOW common sense finaly a
WOW common sense finaly a refreshing change. She should meet with mr barnett!