fisheries cray quandry
OR maybe just me.
Came in after checking the pots recently to have a fisheries officer check us at the ramp (every eski opened, every storage compartment on the boat opened and rifled through, went through the cuddy. on the boat for ages ....we just wanted to get going)
We only had 15 or so crays with 3 licences on board and she insisted on seeing 3 licences. (which I thought strange cos we only had 2ppl bag.
She asked how many pots the crays came out of and we told her we "share". She then went on to lecture us about pot sharing and was adamant that only two can share.
Tell me if I'm wrong.
I thought : I have 2 pots friend A has his gear ID with my gear ID on one. Friend B has his gear ID with My gear ID on the other. So I have 2 pots and 2 friends have 1 pot each.
Fisheries officer was adamant I can Not do this and can only share with only 1 other person.
IE. both have gear ID between only 2 people and the third cant share even though no one has gear ID on more than 2 pots.
hope I've explained this right. any comments welcomed
Tom M
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I think sometimes we offer
I think sometimes we offer up too much information to fisheries inspectors all that should have been said is we have 3 licensed fishers on board and 15 crayfish, please check. Then say nothing.
As for their interpretation of the rules, it does not state that it has to be shared with the same person, it does ay that 2 licensed fishers are able to share a pot.
Tom M
Bryce Day
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Tell them nothing. They
Tell them nothing. They want to size the crays they get them out of the esky.
Rob H
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Bryce is right.While you
Bryce is right.
While you cant, as far as I know have more than 2 ID on a pot, it is also foolish to be too "helpful, or matey"
This is a consequence of their stupid interpretation of the rules and is what shits and concerns me the most.
That I need to tell both Fisheries and my kids that they do not have my permission to speak to my children lest they "reintrerpret" what they say.
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
uncle
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Yep
Thats the way to do it
all aggressive fish love bigjohnsjigs
Mike17
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I agree
I agree.
Don't tell them a story just give them access to your vessel and show them your licences.
I might be wrong but i didn't think we had to tell them how we caught them.
As long as we're not over the limit and they are size i just keep my mouth shut. The devil is in the details.
Use The Force
D_d_001
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Date Joined: 09/03/13
its a shame it has gotten to
its a shame it has gotten to that for a great many, but have to agree with all comments above. I've always tried to be friendly and accommodating to officers and been checked many times. usually had a friendly response (mainly coral bay and Exmouth) this time I cant say I was treated back in a friendly way (although the officer was of course not rude or anything like that. Maybe just having a bad day as it can happen)
I've always answered questions etc. and I always stick to the rules but with the whole "Carter" thing would hate to get "done" on some ridiculous technicality.
So for me from now its "STFU" or "I don't recall"
nightfish
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It’s getting out of hand
as long as you came back with the correct number of crays that were legal then is it really that much of a concern?
as above say nothing you don’t have too, which is sad but a reality these days
rtomkyns78
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Date Joined: 13/09/13
I haven't had alot to do with
I haven't had alot to do with fisheries but it seems they could of checked another 3 boats in the time they spent on you guys, wouldn't that be a better use of thier time. I always assumed that common sense would prevail in any situation but if they are going to be so anal then the rules need to be written in such a way that their is no "grey area". I thought their job was to protect the fishery from people doing the wrong thing once they saw two licences and sized the crays get on to the next boat cause there are know shortage of boats coming in with crays at the moment. As I said I haven't had a bad run in with them but if something like this happened I'd be pretty disappointed.
duncan61
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tolerance
I have no tolerance for rude pushy officials and will clam up if they get heavy.The rules are there to support and maintain fish stocks not for individuals to go power hungry and will accuse them of being jackbooted nazis if it gets out of control.keep it real fisheries
just do it.
Jackfrost80
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Sounds like the safety
Sounds like the safety inspector that insisted on seeing my EPIRB before he'd let me push off at a busy Hillarys ramp when I said I was fishing around Little Island.
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
ranmar850
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Date Joined: 12/08/12
She is correct.
It is quite clear, pot sharing may only be done between two persons. The gear can only be pulled once a day. Both must be licenced RL, Both gear ids must appear on floats. There is another thread on this, where we are speculating this may mean you can actually bring in 3 peersons quota of 24 with only four pots in the water, IF all three licence holders are on board. Recfish were going to check on it, haven't looked to see if there is a response. They might be concentrating on the sharing thing, as there could be confusion and they want to get everyone on the same page.
quadfisher
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Cray fish pfffft.
I just re read the sharing rules , and I can not see any where the poster has broken any rules , he is only sharing a pot between one other guy at a time ( in that cray phamplet it says pot , not pots)
, and he has his id on no more than 2 pots but hey thats where we are atm with this sort of thing isnt it?, after reading those rules , I would do excactly what he did believing Im in the right.
We read the rules , follow what we read , but then can be pulled up on individual interpretations and more twists and turns than a federal politications citizenship.
www.fish.wa.gov.au/Documents/recreational_fishing/licences/rec_licence_rock_lobster.pdf
quadfisher
Septimus
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AGREE
For what it's worth - I agree with your interpretation of the rules AND your sentiments!!
Crayfishing with my young bloke this season - we share two pots, he works 8/6 FIFO.
It's our interpretation that if the two pots produce 16 legal crays and we are both onboard, we are entitled to keep them all, even though only two pots were used to take them.
I have run this past two different fisheries officers on two separate occasions - frustratingly, I got two DIFFERENT answers???!!!
My reading of the rules is that the critical element is the number of fishers, not the number of pots.
D_d_001
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very seldom would I disagree
very seldom would I disagree with you Ranmar when it comes to Crays :) but in my above hypothetical the pots are only shared between two people, my gear is only pulled once per day and both ids appear on floats of each pot.
Surely the rules are made to LIMIT the amount of Rec crays taken ......the three of us are allowed to have 6 pots and in above scenario we CHOOSE to have 3. (none of us care too much about taking heaps of crays, it's good fun, some for xmas and family and we pull the pots out.)
If Im breaking the law by my crew having LESS pots in the water than we are allowed then the law seems pretty ridiculous.
Saulty2
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the new adage
presume guilty- interogate and hope you incriminate urself on technicality ,IMO presure to deliver quota ,egos plays a part as well ,few years back got checked 18- 20 times in the end we were on first name basis , last time was at the ramp asked weather they wanted to check they said no you can go and told me he was being transfered up north
anypuddle
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Fuckeries
Dont get me started. Always had the highest respect for them until i started dealing with them
Try cast netting legally and see how you get treated. Rude bullies.
Anywhere anytime
Marineboy
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Fisheries officers
seems to be a lot of people on f/w complaining about the bad attitudes and manners of fisheries officers, personally I have never had issues always polite to them and have received the same treatment back, has anyone who is dissatisfied with treatment by fisheries taken the officers ID and emailed a report to dept of fisheries or is it just easier to whinge about it on here. If the problem is as widespread as it appears to be I’m sure they would like to know about it !
My spots are so secret even the fish don't know about them !
Fatty
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Well said Marineboy
Well said Marineboy
Saulty2
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reporting would be
red rag to a bull ,under pressure from the top so as to justify existance , having said that they have never been overly rude to me , they ask leading questions and see if you inadvertantly trip yourself ,its only after you re think questions they have asked and responded to that you think { mongrel!!} most have their own boat and on lookout this particular day at the ramp he was complaining that he hadnt caught any crays, so i offered him some , he respectfully declined.
barracuda
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Fishieries Are
PainFUL!
the end
OOH YEH
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Jetski fishing
never been stop to see what’s on board or license ...... fishing rods in full view ..... good to see they are on the job
Moking
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Opposite for me Jetski
Opposite for me Jetski Fishing- Checked at Safety Bay ramp last week, both Fisheries Officers polite(as I was also).
- Checked at Palm Beach Ramp two weeks ago,also Dept of Transport bloke there was checking rego's epirb,jacket/flares etc.
- stopped by Water Police out on water,between Garden Island and Point Peron,licence check/rego.
My Dad taught me how to Fish-Thanks Dad.(RIP)
Bodie
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Yep spot on by most, dont
Yep spot on by most, dont tell them anything. Its like they try to trick you into saying something thats not quite the way the rules are stipulated.
Easy, we have licenses (officer checks) do you have pot = yes, howmany crays from each port = not more than 4 officer. Thanks bye.
JohnF
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We have been checked a few
We have been checked a few times, we found the officers to be polite and repectful.
Boston Whaler 235 Conquest......getting the flogging it was built for.
Jackfrost80
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I’ve found 99% of them to be
I’ve found 99% of them to be friendly and polite but I’ve only come across one rude officer at Mandurah drop netting off a jetty at Furnisdale with my 4y old. Had a chat to him and said I hadn’t caught any size crabs and next minute I grab my beer to turn around and see him going through all of my stuff (fishing bag, esky, bucket, backpack) without so much as a warning he was going to do so. Couldn’t help myself and quipped that if he wanted a beer he could have just asked for one and he stormed off in a huff.
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
PBS
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Date Joined: 06/10/13
I had just retrieved by boat
I had just retrieved by boat on Lancelin beach and they asked to inspect my catch.
At that point someone else was in more trouble than the early settlers with his boat sideways and the car bogged.
I said we were going to help but they could go aboard and there were 3 tuna in the madfish catch bag.
Came back and found him going through my misses' handbag , just asked him if all was in order, no other conversation.
There a bunch of wannabes and something else starting with w
timboon
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Why the fuck does it matter
Why the fuck does it matter how many people share a pot.....
Surely all that matters is that those on board all hold a lisence and ID for said pots pulled and haven't exceeded the daily limit.....
Such a waste of time all this wank for them to A write the legislation and B try and enforce it.....
Surely with supposedly limited budgets and officers on the ground they have better ways to spend tax payers coin than chasing fellas having a bit of ocean going fun and catching a feed.....
It doesn't suprise me though.....
ranmar850
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I've had another hypothetical raised with me today.
Say you are working FIFO, the crays start running, and you want your pots out so there is something in them when you get home. Where, in those "Guidelines", does it state that someone else cannot drop your pots in the water with you not there. No way they can pull them obviuosly, but just drop them in. Baited? Unbaited? Or is it just having them on the boat, with you not present, even if they have your permission and are obviously bone dry and rusty? And if you are sharing two pots, do BOTH licence holders need to be on board to drop them? Can you add the second float with the different licence on shared pots, if the person who has the current numbers' not on board. Obviously again, you can't pull them, but if you just grab the floats to lassoo the second set on, without actually lifting the pot off the bottom, is this legal? I'm thinking not, but so many questions.
D-d-01, you are obviously complying with the spirit of the law, but maybe not the letter of it? I'm starting to ring every regional Fisheries office tomorrow morning with a prepared list of questions.And not stop until I have answers. Then I'm going to keep ringing until I have several sets of answers to all this list, and see if they all give me the same answers.
Biggest worry in all this is that the document we are reading is a "guideline only"--we need the actual legislation, ie, the Act and the Regulations. That is what they prosecute on, after all. Should be easily obtainable from the State Publishers.
dodgy
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I know a few fifo guys that
I know a few fifo guys that share pots as they are on back to back shifts. I take it they have been dropped by one of the parties only.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
eziliving
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I just go out in my dingy and
I just go out in my dingy and tie my floats onto my mates when I’m home. I have dropped theirs pots out as they have been at work as well. I also go out and remove my floats when I head back up north so another mate can chuck their floats on if need be.
Get busy living, or get busy dying!
sea-kem
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We were boarded on Saturday
We were boarded on Saturday and counted our bag 19 with 3 licences on board and all he asked was how many pots (4) and if they were shared. Thank you very much see ya later boys. I was very impressed with his highly engineered almost needle point measuring guage. You wouldn't want any a bit iffies on board lol.
Love the West!
ranmar850
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Well, that answers one question.
You should be able to land 24 from two pots, if two are shared by two licenced fishermen. So, by extrapolation, if it is legal for 3 licenced fishers to share two pots, you can bring in 24 from two. This goes back to D-d-01's original question, and re-reading the Guidelines, it does state that two licenced fishers may share 1 pot. Unquote. So what is to stop one licenced fisherman sharing one each of his pots with two different licenced fishermen? And each licenced fishermn is allowed 8 crays. Copy and paste of relevant sections from guidelines to save anyone looking it up.
Sharing pots
Two licensed fishers are now permitted to share a rock lobster pot. Each licensed fisher must attach a separate float with only their own gear identification (ID) number on it, to the pot. No more than two floats, each with only one gear ID number, must be attached. Each licence holder may use no more than two pots to fish for lobster, even when sharing pots, and may not have their gear ID number on more than two pots, including when sharing pots. Fishers are not permitted to bring home lobsters on behalf of the person who shares their pot and may only take and land their own bag limit.
Boat limit
This means the maximum number of rock lobsters you may carry on a boat at any one time. If there is only one licensed fisher on board, the maximum is one day’s bag limit (8), including no more than 4 tropical rock lobsters. If there are two licensed fishers on 6 Recreational fishing rules board, it is two days’ bag limit (16), including no more than 8 tropical rock lobsters. If three or more licensed fishers are on board, it is three days’ bag limit (24), including no more than 12 tropical rock lobsters.
I'm still going to ask them the list of questions i have prepared.
meglodon
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What was the gauge made of
Just wondering what their gauge was made of.
sea-kem
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I reckon stainless
I reckon stainless
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petermac
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hey sea_kem
how was fisheries boat handeling skills ? my first encounter with them after i moved from the north west was to have them bash into my boat with their boat when i was siting on the pick behind GI , i was left with a dent in my hull and paint of i wasnt happy to say the least
sea-kem
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They were fine mate, huge
They were fine mate, huge Naiad with side fender rollers.
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paulbazza
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same thing
I had the same thing a few years ago behind GI, fisheries pulled up along side us, with the waves/swell, my boat went up, theirs went down, hitting my boat with a great thud.
Sent my mum ass up onto the deck, with some bruises to show for it.
Not even a "sorry" from the Fisheries Skipper.
Incident was reported with pics, nothing ever heard.
DTrain
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The relevant legislation is
The relevant legislation is the Fish Resources Management Act 1994
https://www.slp.wa.gov.au/legislation/statutes.nsf/main_mrtitle_345_homepage.html
But that mosly just has what the Fisheries department and minister are and aren't allowed to do.
The actual regulations are in the Fish Resources Management Regulations 1995
https://www.slp.wa.gov.au/legislation/statutes.nsf/main_mrtitle_1458_homepage.html
I had a skim through the regulations and it says that you can only have 2 pots in the water per person:
31) - 2) A person must not fish for rock lobster other than —
(b) by means of using or submerging at any one time not more than 2 rock lobster pots which —
(i) are attached to a surface float which conforms to the requirements of regulation 32; and
(ii) are pulled from the water personally by the person.
It also says you can only have 2 different gear identification floats per pot:
32) (1A) A person must not use a rock lobster pot to fish for rock lobster if there are more than 2 gear identification floats attached to the pot. Penalty for this subregulation: a fine of $5 000.
(1B) A person does not commit an offence under subregulation (1A) if, at the time the person attached the person’s gear identification float to the rock lobster pot, no more than one other gear identification float was attached to the pot.
As far as I could see it doesn't say anything about who the 'other' gear identification float belongs to. It just says that you can have two different ones on a pot.
I can't see why you couldn't share pot 1 with person A and then pot 2 with person B.
I think fisheries are making up their own interpretation of the rules.
Tom M
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I am interested as well in
I am interested as well in the fisheries boarding other boats, especially if unsafe to do so. Could you imagine the outcome if as above someone is injured through this action I think you as the skipper have the right to prevent them from boarding if YOU believe it is unsafe.
Tom M
sea-kem
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They do ask if they can come
They do ask if they can come aboard, I'm curious to know if you refused. You certainly site safety concerns if it was a rough sea.
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Rob H
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You most certainly can
You most certainly can refuse as master and they will request you to proceed to a safer place.
Naturally if you don't have a good reason you will be raising suspicions.
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
walloped
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The Gap between Bernier and
The Gap between Bernier and Dorre Islands is an ordinary stretch of water. I was drifting through with some spearos when Fisheries appeared and asked to board. I declined and said after picking the divers up they were welcome to board in the quiet waters inside the Islands. Fisheries were quite happy with that response.
stricko
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I was diving off a boat at
I was diving off a boat at the abrols when fisheries pulled up and asked one of the divers in the water if they could board the person replied no he couldn't allow it as he wasn't the skipper of the boat they replied bad luck and proceed to try to drop a officer off the bow of their cray boat onto the deck the bloke lost his footing and nearly face planted on the first attempt we didn't realize to latter he managed to break a piece of trim off our boat in the process he made it on the second attempt checked our catch all was good but then informed us we hadn't log our trip with them 400 $ from memory this was a few years ago and you could only log in via mail or in person at head office so not possible at short notice back then we had all been to the abrols numerous times and not one of us had heard of this rule no warning just straight up fine and a damaged boat bunch of wankers in my books and should be treated as such
ranmar850
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Ok, just off the phone to Fisheries Geraldton
Two licenced fishermen may bring in 16 crays in one day from two pots, sharing or not, as long as they are compliant in respect to gearmarking, etc
3 licenced fishermen on one boat can bring in 24 from four pots if two are sharing, but each angler , of course cannot catch more than 8 each.
3 licenced fishermen may share in two pots. Person A, person B , and person C. One pot's floats will be marked with gear numbers for A and B. The second pot will be marked with gear numbers for A and C. They can then bring in a theoretical maximum of 24 crays if all three are on board. They can, of course catch no more than eight each. This particular question had the officer stumped, had never struck it. He rang back after checking with the compliance manager, and confirmed that this was indeed correct.
You cannot place another persons pots in the water for them, they must be present. So no chucking some in for FIFO mates before they get home.
If you wish to start sharing pots with someone, with those pots already in the water, both parties must be on board to change the floats.
If you find a chopped off pot, there are really two scenarios. if you've pulled yours already, or could have a reasonable belief that it is not actually your pot, pulling it is classed as gear tampering. If you are missing a pot in that location, and you could have a reasonable belief that it was your pot, ie, rope looks the same, you can pull it. But, if you see that it is not yours, drop it like a hot potato. Do not bring them in. You are meant to inform Fisheries with the location. I asked if you could tie a milk bottle, something with no markings on it, without pulling it. This may allow someone who has maybe lost that pot to spot it, then pulling it will be all at his own risk. He agreed it was OK, but didn't sound enthusiastic.
So D-d-01, you were correct, and that patrol officer was wrong.
Pembo
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Chooped Off Pot
We came across a chopped off pot at Two Rocks on the weekend. We thought the only resonable thing to do was attach a marker to the rope and write "Found" and the date on it.
Additionally, the person has an extra benefit of having their pot ID'd (reconnected) with a fender that we found floating in the water a few days earlier.
PJim
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Ranmar, in regards to this
Ranmar,
in regards to this point
"If you wish to start sharing pots with someone, with those pots already in the water, both parties must be on board to change the floats."
I was told by a Fisheries Compliance officer you could put another persons float on your pot while he wasn't there but could not remove his float if he wasn't present
Seems you cant get the same answer from 2 officers
little johnny
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Date Joined: 04/12/11
It's seems everyone gets
Different answers . Best bet ask a senior officer. When wallfootrot was going . While he was on board . Took his floats off his pots . ( he took his limit) rest went in drink .and put a guy I work with floats on( who was in boat) at the time. He never came in with any Crays that day at all. Best way to do it . Safe if your unsure . I've struggled a little understanding this share myself. Got my head around it now .
sea-kem
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Lol jesus it's almost like
Lol jesus it's almost like inputting the nuclear arming codes for an atom bomb.
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little johnny
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Pmsl ,it's hard to
Understand , different answers from different officers .some new people must think wtf. Roll on the 16 th ( Dhue time). 1 st day of my holidays . Just worked out that way :):). Pots will be out for sure. Only out there ATM for guys I work with ,no boats . Once they have there Xmas crays out they come. Got bored other day sat down ramp , man unreal , fights. Yelling, 2 boats dropped of trailers . Gold .10 times worse than pink run .
ranmar850
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I'd never been near a metro ramp at this time of year.
We were at the CPBC, 10am, so the rush was probably over. Still plenty of activity, I've never seen so many boats in one area as the run between Woodman Point and the north end of GI.
Spoilt up here, we are--I stress if I have to wait for one boat to launch in front of me, just used to turning up and backing down.
ranmar850
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Not wrong there
And this is the problem. I told the patrol officer I was speaking to , that someone had been told by a patrol officer in the Metro area that they were not allowed to do the 2 pot/3 people sharing thing, which is where this all started. He admitted he had never come across it--his opinion, after some thought, was that it would be legal. He asked another officer, they thought about, said the same. Went to see his Compliance Manager, they said the same. So there is a patrol officer in the Metro area who needs an update on at least one aspect of the legislation they are meant to be enforcing.
He was quite definite there could be no changing of floats for sharing purposes without both parties present, so maybe he was wrong, too
little johnny
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100 per
Agree. Both people have to be there. On share pots
Belly Fish
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What about the chopped off floats/ropes
We had a set tangled in our pots today. 2 floats and about 10m of rope floating. Navigation hazard, but I imagine the Fisheries rules would be to untangle it (Tampering???) then throw it back in the water to get the next unsuspecting prop.
ranmar850
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Didn't ask that question
Didn't think to. Logically, a set of floats and a rope, not attached to a pot, do not constitute a pot. Can't imagine that would be an issue. But logic doesn't always seem to come into it.
paulbazza
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email to fisheries
my email : i have a question regarding collecting stray/ lost cray floats from the beach.
Am i breaking any regulation if i collect stray/ lost cray floats from an island beach (Garden Island) , and return them to shore in my boat?
the reply : Hi Paul,
If you come across Rock Lobster floats that appear to be lost, please record the gear ID and call your local Fisheries Office and report them so that we can arrange to have them collected and returned to the owner.
If you have any further questions on this matter please feel free to contact myself on 9*** ****.
little johnny
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Found chopped one other day
Shortened rope ( didn't lift up). Tied coke bottle to it. More safety aspect. May save someone a gear box
Sulo
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Have to have both people on
Have to have both people on board when changing floats?? What a crock! What does it matter if they are there or not, I usually drop 4 pots in at the start of the season solo as it is just easier.
Have also had a situation at the ramp where I was dropping off my old boy to drive his boat to Rotto for a week, other pot owner / licence holder was catching the ferry over. We got stopped by fisheries who wanted to see my license (which I did even though I was not going out in the boat) They did actually pick up that my license numbers were not the ones on the second pots. At this stage I then let them know I was not going out on the boat.
Both officers then had a discussion after explaining the situation, not sure if they decided it was too hard or if it was legal but the old man took all four pots to Rotto and set them solo as described to the officers...
Interpretation of the person on the day seems to be a big one here..
little johnny
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Date Joined: 04/12/11
Each to there
Own. interiptation of rules. And officers different interpretation of rules makes it hard.whats right and what's wrong. Maybe all fisheries officers should have team meeting. So there interipration of rules are same. Honestly got me stuffed.just goes to show rules can be twisted or interpreted in different ways.( not having dig at fisheries or comments from members on site). But it's crap. Everyone being told different things is b--l c--p . I Give anyone a challenge. Phone all different branches( metro) and record your question ,and there answer.dont make simple question on bag limits. I bet you get many different answers. Road rules plain and simple.why can't buzz words be taken out . Make it simple. For the common people to understand ,like me. Try it . Never get same answer i bet.
Sulo
Posts: 256
Date Joined: 13/08/11
Haha yes indeed, but while
Haha yes indeed, but while fisheries spend a small fortune all because they struggle with an interpretation of take we just have to live with it and hope that you get a fisheries officer prepared to work to the intent of the law rather than the letter of the law.
BarraSlayer
Posts: 287
Date Joined: 14/04/14
Thanks
Got my rope wrapped around my prop with a howling easterly. Facing backwards into short sharp swells. Had to jump in and unwrap it.. didnt realise it cut my rope as until the next time I came out. More worried about losing the boat. Someone tied 2 diet coke bottles with silver duct tape to my pot next to 3 mile at ocean reef earlier this week. Thanks, it made my day.
Cheers
BarraSlayer
Dale
Posts: 7930
Date Joined: 13/09/05
What about if 2 or 3 people go out in a boat and they all have a cray license, can the one or 2 people still dive and get their quota plus a few for the guy who just stays on the boat?
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Mr Wolf
Sea goat
Posts: 941
Date Joined: 26/03/17
got another one for
got another one for you....
just bought a pot form bluewater tackle and it has a slat of pine running across the top of the entrance. think supposed to help stop seals etc, however in rule bok it says the neck must be unobstructed? reckon best to cut it out?
Sea goat
Posts: 941
Date Joined: 26/03/17
i.e, single thin lenght of
i.e, single thin lenght of pine running thorugh the middle of the neck, on the top.
meglodon
Posts: 5981
Date Joined: 17/06/10
I'd cut it out
It's obstructing the neck, not permitted the way I read the guide.
Sea goat
Posts: 941
Date Joined: 26/03/17
yeah thats what i thought,
yeah thats what i thought, think will get rid of it ...... have no intention on breaking any rules on my first drop lol!
derek
Posts: 94
Date Joined: 14/10/12
sled's
In certain areas a SLED must be fitted, it can be a slat across the top of the entrance or a spike for the want of a better word comming from the bottom of the pot into the neck, its to stop seal's getting in (SLED--sea lion exclussion device), we have to use them in Jurien Bay
Sea goat
Posts: 941
Date Joined: 26/03/17
cheers derek, i figured thats
cheers derek, i figured thats what it was for, just seems to contradict what is written in the rules about the neck not being obstructed.... (in the case of the slat)...ended up cutting it out just to be sure :/ guess i can get a spike things sorted if ever need to.