Fishing rod holders
Submitted by Dale on Mon, 2013-03-11 17:39
Heard a story on local ABC radio today where the police in the mid west have been cracking down on vehicles with non approved rod racks. They were giving yellow stickers for them and saying the law was changed against them a year ago. First time I've heard about that. Don't quite know what type of rod racks they are alluding to either.
cheers
Dale
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jono.s
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Yeah i got pulled over about
Yeah i got pulled over about a year ago in dongara for having the bullbar type rod holders gave me a fine , they said that if i hit someone it would cause injury or sumthing and that you can only use them offroad, bit shit imo if i hit someone in a 2.5 tonne 4x4 The rod holders wont make much of a difference. Upgraded to the lockable roof rack ones after that.
WSHN4FSHN
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It's confusing isn't it.
It's confusing isn't it. I have heard so many things about what's right and what's wrong. I heard Johnson Kitto (lawyer) on 720 ABC last year say that it is only illegal if there is a rod in it and even more so with a squid jig on the rod!! On another occasion with the same program Karl O'Callaghan (police commisioner) was giving his take on it and said it was only illegal if it protruded past the front edge of the vehicle (bullbar, numberplate, winch etc). Both of these views are nowhere to be seen when it comes to the local coppers on the road and their interpretation which seems to be if it's on there you're getting booked!! A quick google and you get 10 different stories of what is right and wrong.
Burley it and they will come.
carnarvonite
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Chatted
I got chatted by a copper mate about mine and he said to stick them on the car side of the roobar and don't carry the rods in them on the way to the beach etc, problem solvered.
till
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Seems a small price to pay
Seems a small price to pay when it could make a difference to someone's safety, but then some people only really give a shit about themselves too.
WSHN4FSHN
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I wonder what the stats say
I wonder what the stats say about injuries to pedestrians with rod holders Till? I reckon it would be next to nothing so Im happy to prioritize my convenience over the people who aren't getting injured!!
Burley it and they will come.
till
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No one ever explained to you
No one ever explained to you running with scissors?
Its just common sense to reduce risks where possible, but sadly common sense is less common than you might expect.
WSHN4FSHN
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Comparing apples and apples
Comparing apples and apples would be good. The risks aren't similar at all and like I said the calculateable risk is minimal and far more relevant than the perceived risk. I agree some common sense should be used but as you pointed out and give a good example of, it's not that common!!
Burley it and they will come.
sea-kem
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It's all about mitigating
It's all about mitigating risk mate. Get bumped with the bar Maybe some major bruising. Or get punctured by those things.
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flangies
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You don't want a head on
You don't want a head on collision with a fourbie. A rod rack won't make a difference.
jono.s
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Exactly rod holders or not
Exactly rod holders or not your going to get seriously hurt if you get hit by a 4wd, doesnt mean they dont give a shit about other people , its a stupid rule
red dawn
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I'm not sure about that
I've not been hit by a car, but I reckon at slower speeds the front of the car or the bullbar wil bounce you off, which will certainly hurt and likely break some bones, but either the top or bottom of the rod holders are likely to catch you and cut you pretty badly?
crasny1
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And then you get impaled
by the butt ends of your rods sticking out off the roof rack. This arguement is without merit either way.
I worked in A&E in RPH, Kalgoorlie etc, and I can tell you that being hit by a 4x4 is not going to be good, what ever else is strapped, bolted etc to the vehicle is not going to change the outcome. If you are dead with a scratch from the rod holder, it is not that that caused the damage.
Also if you have a 4wd without a bullbar, but decide to put on spotties, they protrude away from the front of the vehicle. Are they illegal?
It is one silly rule in the nanny state where we blame everyone else for our misfortune. We should look at ourselves and take personal responsibility.
A mate is sueing another mate because he was pissed at a BBQ, decided to jump from the roof into his mates pool. Jumped in with straight legs and hit the bottom off the pool and broke his leg. Now he is suing saying there was no signs showing the depth of the water, otherwise he wouldnt have jumped in the shallow end!!!!!! He got pissed, he climbed the roof, and he jumped. How possibly can that be his mates fault. Nanny nanny nanny!!!!
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till
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Why is everyone assuming the
Why is everyone assuming the accident is going to happen at high-speed?
I've been involved in a few low-speed collisions in over 30years of cycling, all caused by inattentive drivers, all could have been much worse with protrusions on the vehicle.
Its only a stupid rule because stupid and or lazy people can't assess the risk themselves.
Pretty sure anything that protrudes forward of the bullbar is illegal.
crasny1
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Not talking high speed at all
Its purely after Mr Isaac Newton, you know the weight and velocity thing he described
. Ek = 0.5Mx V2 ( Kinetic energy is half mass x velocity squared) Momentum force (Ek) form a 4WD will hurt you even at low speed.
I have been ( and still would be if I lived in Perth) an investigator of Rally Crashes to see what can be done to improve safety. Looking at what failed and forces involved and how to dissipate these if it should happen again. And some off the incident that killed and injured drivers/co-drivers have not been at the extreme speed we imagine.
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till
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I know you're a physician,
I know you're a physician, not a physicist, but you brought up momentum. Did you find any crashes were improved by having sharp objects involved?
I thought as a crash inspector it would be pretty obvious.
crasny1
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There is nobody else involved in a closed rally
But the cars do liaise on open routes between stages. We didnt have many night stages in Rally Oz apart from Langley Park, but when there are the carry "brutal" spotties that certainly protrude way infront of the car. Fortunately only inspected Rally crashes which usually involved tress, and No, the trees did as bad with or without sharp objects.
If you can find an incar footage on google of Francios Delecour's Crash in Rally Aus I think 2001 - 2002 you will see the strenght of the safety capsule. He crashed in both years poor sod.
Till I dont use them at all, strap on roof or in the car. Just pointing out some rules are just plain dumb and overall in the scheme of things make very little difference.
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Leemo
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I think you will find that
I think you will find that the drivers were not actually inattentive - It was just the fact that you were a cyclist on the road.........
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Clown Fish
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Funny as! You had the balls
Funny as! You had the balls to say it Leemo.
till
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Least I can ride a bike.
Least I can ride a bike.
Clown Fish
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Jeez you're watching this
Jeez you're watching this one closely bro. get off the keyboard and go fishing mate.
Leemo
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Thought I recognised you last week Till
Thought I recognised you last week Till
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^ haha fukn gold ^
^ haha fukn gold ^
Buz
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They have been illegal for
They have been illegal for along long time. IIRC its because they come under any sharp protruding edges out from the vehicle is illegal. Apparently they could cause more damage to someone than if you just hit them with your bullbar?
I first got warned about them in 1998 and my mate got fined in 2001. So as Carnarvonite said i turned them around the other way and had them on the inside side of my Roo Bar for a couple of years. Then i realised the folly of travelling with rods in them. Not only do they ruin the shit out of the reel mount leg,(even if you do strap them they still move slightly) they also get caught up in scrub if going on a very narrow bushy track and you still have to secure the tips somehow, and if there are heaps of bugs around you get plenty of dead ones all over your reel.
I now just put my rod and reel combos on the roof racks(butt facing forward) with a couple of velcro straps if i am being lazy or only moving a short distance up the beach or so. But with most my LB rods now being 2 or 3 piece i just seperate them and pop them in the car. No chance of damage, or of a fine and lessen the chance or theft of them being on the outside of your vehicle if you have to duck into a servo or shops on the way fishing.
Happy Hooker
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Was fined about 8 years ago just north of Gero
Was driving back from Kalbarri with rod holders on roo bar and told that nothing was to protrude past the front of the bull bar (and that included aerial mounts etc) $100 from memory, not a yellow sticker at that time.
Was loaded up with rods on roof rack, back full with eskies ,bags and car covered in dust.
Explained I was on my way home and that I dont drive around with them on normally (which I dont, only use them when on week long plus beach trips between spots and not on road) as had pretty much forgotten to take them in the morning rush to pack gear , car and kids.
Bad luck. Here is your fine as someone could walk past the car when refuelling at a roadhouse on way home and injure themselves.
No point arguing , just copped it on the chin and made up their stats for the day........
kknlk
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The law is that nothing must
The law is that nothing must protrude beyond the bumper. The fact that our rod racks may not injure anyone is not the point as no one can control what you put on your vehicle. The law is and can only be written in a general manner and does not seek to cover or allow specific situations. No point bitching about it. If you think it's wrong then approach your MP and get him to get the law changed.
Browndog
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Agree
Yes the law is written that way to cover all possible situations, and it is up to each individual police officer to use their own discretion in how to apply this. Pretty sure they have stopped teaching "discretion" at the police academy some years back.
Mate of mine has a weekender at Lancelin, and keeps an old Landcruiser up there for beach launches, fishing trips etc. His Mrs was driving down to the jetty to pick up the kids who were fishing and while waiting in the jetty carpark coppers came and issued her with a fine. No problems, the law is the law, take it on the chin. I doubt the old cruiser would get out of third gear between the jetty and their place, and as has been mentioned previously, rod holder or no rod holder, if the cruiser hits you, it's gonna hurt. Also pointed out to the friendly (not) constables that there was a whole heap more shit hanging off their car than there was on hers (roo bar, 3 large aerials, lights, light bars on the roof, spotlights and a dirty great aerial hanging off the rear, protruding way past the bumper.
Stiff, here's your fine Ma'am.
Maybe next time tell the kids to go break into houses and steal stuff, less chance of a fine than going fishing.
BD.
Muppet
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Two words
WING NUTS !
Take em off and on when you need to.
Some coppers will accept having the holders on the inside of the barwork. But you may get stopped further down the track by a different copper and he will fine you.
Its no different to spotties. Some numpties have them protruding out past the bar work. Cant do it...............
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PJAY
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hmmmm.....doesnt your tow bar
hmmmm.....doesnt your tow bar protrude past the back of your car as well?? dont hit anyone when reversing? sometimes the law is an ass.......no point in whinging and trying to win points with who has the best argument here boys.........as mentioned before....the law wont change unless you lobby to have it changed.........if you dont then why bitch about it?? just sayin.... :)
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scotto
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just everyone hang on a minute,
I think we are missing the one of the most important things that has ever come to light on fishwrecked...
Till is a cyclist ! !
carnarvonite
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Cyclist???
They are not called cyclists, they are mobile speed humps and you get bonus points if you manage to clip one.
till
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Not sure why anyone would be
Not sure why anyone would be surprised that someone that has the perspicacity to identify the potential hazards of having a rod holder fitted to a bullbar also has the sense to ride a bike when you don't need to drive a car.
Leemo
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And if anyone has the
And if anyone has the sensibility to ride a bicycle instead of driving should also have the sensibility to NOT wear Lycra. Ever.
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dumper
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Too cool for Lycra
Too cool for Lycra
till
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I think you mean; Spandex,
I think you mean; Spandex, it's a privilege, not a right. It certainly isn't for everyone.
Super peg
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I'm all for a bloke getting
I'm all for a bloke getting out and riding his pushy, keeping fit and all that but don't wear Lycra !
sure it may shave some seconds, but wouldn't wearing normal clothes create more drag and be harder
therefore give you more of a work out? Then, when it came down to your time trial or what ever you
cyclists do, wearing Lycra would shave seconds when it matters? Saves you all looking like a bunch of tools
and becoming a target for angry road rage rod holder on bull bar cruiser drivers
just sayin
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while freezing, sweating, swatting and swearing.
till
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No one that rides gives a
No one that rides gives a toss what a bunch of neanderthal car drivers think.
People ride in lycra because it doesn't have seams in the wrong places for saddles and it doesn't chafe.
Buz
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"No one that rides gives a
"No one that rides gives a toss what a bunch of neanderthal car drivers think."
And Cyclists wonder why Drivers have so much contempt for them. Which is funny though as i am sure Cyclists drive also. :P
till
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Cyclists often turn into car
Cyclists often turn into car drivers, but not neanderthal ones.
Super peg
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Could just harden up...
Could just harden up...
The art of fishing consists of casting, winding, trolling and jigging
while freezing, sweating, swatting and swearing.
dumper
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Because Lycra feels good on
Because Lycra feels good on ya balls instead of sweat soaked, shit stained reg gundys
quadfisher
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nanny state alright
surely even till must accept this as the new cyclist and pedestrian scooper
designed to gently sweep you off the road and on to footpath where they belong
haha
quadfisher
squidder
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Bull bars
verses rod holders verses fork lift "driving on the road" verses tail gate of a tilt tray, even seen a council tractor with tyne spikes uncovered, frontend loaders, where does it end.
crasny1
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Now there is my point exactly
What differece is a rod holder going to to do compared to that "scoop the driver under the car snow plow bar" that dude has. Oops sorry - could be a redneck gal.
PS: Why is the other one illegal. All I can presume is noise from the hotted up engine.
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quadfisher
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Bonnet scoop I believe
I think any scoops attached to engines, there not hot on , interferes with vision they say
yet trucks, 4wds can have those bug deflectors and massive bully bars , and its ok?
Me personally have no probs with the b and s utes , cause they mainly drive in the scrub and they add to the aussie
landscape, and our country cousins identity.
How many people australia wide were killed as a DIRECT result of a bullbar / and or rod holder? last year,
probally none, or every so called , self appointed road safety expert would be shouting it from
the roof tops.
quadfisher
Dale
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Just reading a few posts on
Just reading a few posts on here, don't carry your rods in rod racks with the reels still attached. The constant vibrating and stuff can snap them off at the stem, and it also makes them easy to pinch if someone's chasing a reel.
cheers
Dale
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