Floreat through to Trigg ?

 Hi Guys, new to the site , and relatively new to fishing. ( got the bug about 12 months ago )

Has anyone had any luck fishing beaches from floreat to trigg lately?  I have picked up a couple of smallish mulloway  50 to 60 cm, and 1 tailor.

Also got busted off once , i assume by a shark or ray. I fish these spots purely because I dont have to travel far. 

However I hear that to travel down Mandurah way or north to Mindarie/ Two Rocks will be far more productive.

I fish generally a 13 ft beach rod, ganged mulie , and sinker to suit conditions, and try to pick a channel or gutter where possible.

I will often cast a lure while the mulie sits out.  Any tips to find more success at these areas ?or is it simply a case of having to travel much further ?

Any feedback will be much appreciated. 


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couple of mullas

Tue, 2012-09-25 13:19

sounds like your doing ok , fillet of mullet or a slab of tailor is good after dark. just keep at it.

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Beach

Tue, 2012-09-25 14:14

 Those beaches fish well, keeping your eyes peeled for good gutters during the day for evening raids ensures you are always in with a chance

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What about sharks...

Tue, 2012-09-25 14:42

 Thanks for the encouragement and feedback guys, when do the sharks start to move in more ?

I assume it will be when the weather warms up ?  And talking bait, if I were to catch say  a herring or something,

would a fresh fillet ganged be a better option than the mulie , or perhaps a snelled hooks setup with it on live ?

Or would I limit my catch options by sending out the whole fish ?

And while I am at it, any other baiting up suggestions, as in stuff that I can buy from the local tackle shop ?

Geez......so many questions.

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Summer

Tue, 2012-09-25 16:09

 They seem to come in closer around summer, i don't target them generally but usually get plenty on mulloway baits/rigs.

If you only want to target sharks snell some hooks with 49 strand wire Then attach that to either more wire or some heavy mono around 150lb+ if your casting. Ballooning and swimming big baits out is more successful on the bigger ones as you can use a large OH reel. I recon a cut piece of fish is better than whole due to more stink factor and use heaps of burly.  Might be a good idea to fish less popular swimming beaches if you are going to burly heavily

As for bait herring tailor mullet and tuna are all pretty good Look forward to seeing some reports
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good old but

Tue, 2012-09-25 18:57

 you can always butterfly your baits... makes for awesome presentation and a very nice scent.

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Good Ideas...

Tue, 2012-09-25 20:00

 Thanks Rig / Dreamtime, I would probably end up with a shark as you say, as a result of baiting up for tailor/mulla. 

However if I were to target them specifically I would probably rig up as you described, using wire, after dark, maybe on a separate rod.

I am not yet advanced enough to even contemplate balooning, but with the summer easterlies to carry it out, I should probably start researching the

technique and trying it , to get it down pat. Whats the best burley method ? Just lots of cubed mulies ? Dont tell me I should swim them out too !

What about I build a catapault to launch a frozen block out to sea!

As for butterflying the fresh bait, thats a good idea . Quite obvious really as you say looks tasty and smells even tastier.  Err....if youre a fish.

Can any of you recommend a good resource or link where I can start researching the balooning ?

Thanks again.

Squid.

 

 

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Search

Wed, 2012-09-26 05:58

 Plenty of info on hear re ballooning just use the search function.

With your berly just start the trail at your feet as you want to lure the fish to you

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 head down to brighton rd

Wed, 2012-09-26 08:36

 head down to brighton rd have done well down ther with sharks in the gutters

 

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Floreat to Trigg

Wed, 2012-09-26 21:43

Hey there,

That stretch is my local too and where I have spent a fair bit of time over the last year.  I usually go down with a couple of guys from work of weekday evening when its quieter- less crowds/swimmers.  

If you hit the gutters you are in with a very high chance of catching and don't be scared to shift around, if i havent had a bite within an hour of darkness I will shift swims, amazing how 50m worth of a move will be the difference between catching and not.  

I have caught some nice little sharks from there (tend to find they come in after Nov but water temp is key), plenty of rays, tailor up to high 60's - in winter I tend to stick to bait (mulies on gang or scalies on snells) for tailor as the fish are fewer but larger whereas summer a 20/30g twisty will get hammered by tailor anywhere and also offers the chance of anything else taking a look, snook, flathead, herring etc....that said I caught a 55cm flatty the other day from trigg on a full mulie first cast?!  

If i catch a good herring - I tend to fillet and use as bait, or drop it on as livie, one good method is to perhaps use a second rod with smaller rigs on for catching potential bait fish...herring, whiting, snook etc..obviously as long as they are of size. 1/0 or smaller long shank with prawn, ox heart, mulie tails even.

Funny you mention mulloway, I have seen a fair few this year - all of a similar size to those you seem to be getting. Useless fish at that size but always a nice and interesting change.

Rig wise I find bite detection is better with star sinkers on a running lead but if there is a heavy current through a gutter then try a gripper lead to hug the bottom better.

Its a great little stretch of beach and really productive all year round, have a go at heading north also you will pick thinkgs up from meeting people and fishing different areas.

 

 

 

 

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Gday G.H

Thu, 2012-09-27 13:38

 Yeah Im certainly not giving up on the area by any means, some of the guys down at Bluewater rate the Brighton area fairly highly, and as you say I need to pick the right spot and be prepared to move around if need be.

When you mention "gripper lead" to hold the bottom are you referring to a type of sinker ? And running star sinker down to swivel and then leader or running right down to gangs?  I have been primarily using gangs off a shortish (20cm) dropper loop and about 50cm down to a star sinker.

I have used a running star sinker down to a swivel , and then the leader to gangs ,but felt that it was less likely to keep the bait up off the bottom.

I would be interested to hear other beach rig suggestions. By the way, that was a nice flattie, I have just read an article on them in Fishing WA mag.

How far sth of trigg island were you? Trigg is still costing me lots in rigs as I learn the best methods to fish it.Went down a couple of days ago for a flick around the blue hole for skippy, and came home a little lighter in the tackle box!  Next fish will be Sunday night down Brighton. 

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I use a cork to keep my gangs

Thu, 2012-09-27 13:48

I use a cork to keep my gangs off the bottom.

My trusty LB rig is running star to a swivel, leader to hooks.  Cork sits just above the gangs.  

 

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Cork...

Thu, 2012-09-27 15:13

 Mmm yeah ok, Cork. Thats a new one to try. Cheers.   .....now off to try find a cork.

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restaurants, hotels, pubs

Thu, 2012-09-27 16:18

restaurants, hotels, pubs etc! 

 

Otherwise, anything else that floats would probably work.. polystyrene, thongs, etc

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ebay

Thu, 2012-09-27 16:23

you can buy corks on ebay, not too many wines are in cork these days.......... and a cask is too hard to cast

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Done.

Thu, 2012-09-27 18:36

 Ok , already rigged up for Sunday night ( any excuse to head down to the garage and play )

and I found a wine cork, rigged up above the gangs.

A cask might not be a complete waste of time.....once its finished , send it out as a baloon ?

But seriously, would the cork present any negatives in terms of bait presentation ? Either way I have rig B and rig C ready to go just in case.

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tape

Fri, 2012-09-28 08:24

use white or red tape on your cork.  I have only recently started using them myself but can vouch I have seen 100's of fish including mulloway caught on rigs with the cork by some of the memebrs of my LB angling club

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Corking Grippers

Fri, 2012-09-28 21:25

Yeah it took me a while to have the patience to get the corks on the go, i do tend to run a longer mono trace - 50-60cm sometimes so that i know the bait is up and off the bottom. Whereas i may only run with about 30-40cm down to the gang if im dead on the bottom.

As for gripper leads - if you drop into bluewater at scarb, they have a good selection of grippers, grapnels and breakaways.  Typically the same thing and you will find plenty of info on google or from the search function. A gripper/grapnel lead is a teardrop shaped lead with a steel splines (typically 4) which acts as anchor forks and grip the sand.   The breakaway element comes in when you loop a hook of your baited rig around a 'catch' above the lead and launch the lead and bait as one.  On impactint the water surface or bottom the rigs flex and part so presentinmg a nice bait......plus the big bonus is that as you are casting both 'projectiles' together they reduce the drag and its an easy way to pick up and extra 10-20m or more in casting distance.  

The rig i would recommend would be running your normal leader through to a 3 way swivel, tying the leader onto the top of the T, then a lower strength (lower but not light) leader going vertically down to the lead on a snaplink (lower strength as it can then breakaway if snagged and the snap link is there in case you want to switch weights) then perpendicular and on the last remaining swivel end you run the trace off at 90 deg....at whatever length you want.

The issue is that if the gripper is well and truly dug in then some fickle bites are hard to detect amongst the chop or the odd bit of weed but maybe thats just me!!?

When fishing up neer the reefs (such as trigg) this rig can work with non gripper leads so that only the lead is lost when snagging up.

As for the flattie it was nearer the scarb end of the stretch between trigg and scarb....just found a gutter and set up with a mate, caught 4 tailor - biggest 61 and the flatty - all in about an hour and half and then went dead but we are going back a couple of weeks now the weed has been a pain in the a$$ of late.

 

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Beach Rigs..

Sat, 2012-09-29 17:01

 OK cheers for the details. All ready to go for tomorrow night, and the cork is now painted red

Anyone else going fishing tomrrow night ? The conditions are looking pretty sweet. All except the moon , if youre into the whole moon thing.

Otherwise, all looks good , ESE winds, swells down , rising tide. will report on here any catches worth reporting.

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Up around trigg island & the

Sat, 2012-09-29 17:23

Up around trigg island & the blue hole you might like to go lighter to save on losing so many rigs. That may sound weird but trust me it's the way to go. Leave the heavy beach gear at home if you know your only fishing the hole or reef & take the bream gear instead, better yet a rod around 8ft & 3-7kg matched with a 3000 size reel & 6-10lb line. Use a small marble size ball sinker running down to a swivel & then a 40cm trace down to your hooks. The lighter line will provide less resistance against the current & allow you to use the lighter sinker which in turn doesn't get lodged in the reef as easy as the heavy gear does. Me & a mate have fished the area 100m either side of trigg island extensively (up to 4 times a week every week for the last 6 months) & the light gear is the only way to go if you want to fish bottom. We've tried the heavy gear but for whatever reason we end up with almost a snag a cast. On the light gear you will still lose rigs but you should only lose 2 or 3 on an average full night of fishing. Leave the heavy gear for further down the beach where it's clear & your more likely to encounter fish like mulloway that you actually need the extra stopping power for.

There's a pretty decent chance I'll be down around trigg island tommorow night but don't know for sure yet, gotta see what my fishing buddy wants to do. If we do go down there we probably won't be down there until late though, 9pm is an early start for us. Don't discount the full moon, in fact it's my favourite time to fish ever since I landed 5 greenbacks ranging from 65cm to 79cm in 2 hours this winter just gone. Sorry, I'm not telling where.

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 Berleying works well from

Sat, 2012-09-29 17:18

 Berleying works well from the beach but it must be done in a way that will not take the berley and fish up the beach away from you. Staking a bag of frames works, as does stomping some fish bits into the sand at yuor feet or a little upcurrent from your spot. 

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Gutters

Thu, 2012-10-11 14:03

 I have read about gutters on here and in the mags. I have stood up on the walkways/paths looking down but for the life of me cant pick them. Apart from my failing eyesight causing this are there any tell tale signs? I look mostly at Floreat-North Beach, Thanks 

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its a little complicated

Thu, 2012-10-11 17:17

In winter the storms cause the sand to get stirred up and create an outer bank so the gutter is usually in close and out either side of the rips(called a channel). At that time of the year they are not that deep.

In summer the easterlies flatten out the banks and it's usually not shallow. There may not be any outer bank for the main duration of summer (hale road area especially)

Scarbs to Triggs does still hold an outer bank in summer and often a big dumper(wave wise) but the gutter is right next to the shore. Go for a swim and when you walk in you wont miss it.

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Yep burley

Thu, 2012-10-11 15:17

I used to throw a berley bucket near my line when i fished LB.Works wonders.Sometimes it stays there sometimes it dosent just bring heaps of rope.Wilbinga might be a best bet for you if you have a 4x4

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It'll be a good time to set a balloon bait out

Thu, 2012-10-11 15:18

Might nail a spanny mack like sherbie did last year.

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uglystick, gutters run

Sun, 2012-10-14 07:35

uglystick, gutters run parallel to the beach and are slightly darker in color than the surrounding water with a rip sometimes at both ends or one end depending on formation

rips run straight out from the shoreline generally, a means for all that water being pushed up to the shoreline to escape

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Thanks for that 499 and tot

Mon, 2012-10-22 23:17

 Cheers for that info, makes more sense than Ive read before in books for sure. Just need to crack the visual part without having to wade in to find them :-)

On another note for that area I read tonight in the Post newspaper (page 10, can be read online), that Cambridge Council want to make the beach safer and ban fishing from the City Beach groyne permanently, not just for a period of time during the day. Floreat groyne will be closed from 6 am-7pm, 1 Nov-30 Apr. The council are seeking comments in writing to Town of Cambridge Administration, 1 Bold Park Drive, Floreat 6014 WA  before 31 Oct 12. 

 

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 Awesome resources there

Tue, 2012-10-23 09:10

 

Awesome resources there sonoftherock