Does sound like reasonable assumption, with the transom failing therefore to flooding quickly and allowing the outboard to drop off. Would be interesting to know the actual cause.
Petermac wouldve smashed them tiger sharks if they were there (with the ol' left-right combo), only cos he gave up durries 943 years ago whilst wearin his missing glove.
It was about 500 metres away from us. They first broadcast pan pan. taking water, bilge pumps have failed. another boat called mayday. next minute it was bow up on the water. There was no waves that could have swamped the boat. it must have been a failure, human or structural. All ok which was good news.
It came over the radio that a boat was taking on water fast and the next call was that the boat had gone down and that they were on another boat. The weather for the swim was shocking today! There were swells coming in sets of 3 that were well above the predicted 1-1.5m.
Not much else said on what happened and I haven't seen the news reports yet?
There weren't any waves yesterday that would sink a boat. we were quite close (as in I communicated on the radio to water police about the location of the boat compared to the approaching rescue vessel). and there were certainly no waves that would sink a boat.
No waves that would break over the side but there were certianly waves that could have rolled a boat.
We had a couple of crew onboard that had little experience on boats and a few times they all went to the same side of the boat when changing paddlers and with the periodic sets that were coming through you could come unstuck very fast.
At that time it was probably the calmest it was all day. As the skipper called in they were taking in water. The waves were not enough to roll a stable craft but a boat half full for sure.
Holly shit I seen that boat cruising around in the holding area in the morning of the race
You weren't allowed to put boat in reverse gear the whole time during the race so I dunno how he got water over the back as we're heading into it all day
Funny how many think a self draining deck makes a boat more seaworthy (it does but only to a point). it is a great way for clearing water quickly however once those scuppers go under the waterline the water will come in rather than out and it becomes self sinking - particularly if combined with cockpit hatches that don't seal properly.
Not to say I wouldn't have or go on a boat with a self draining deck
late reply, but Paul i would have to disagree with you here. scuppers are / should only be on boats with decks that are sealed from the hull. that being the case, scuppers can't get below the water line (for more than a brief moment) to allow the water to flow in, as the air is sealed in the hull chamber which keeps the boat afloat and the scuppers above the water line. if carrying excess weight and your boat sitting lower in the water caused the scuppers to be below water line, you would still not sink the boat - your deck would just stay wet as its below the waterline (like barcrushers if you put scuppers in), as there is still plenty of air in the hull chamber keeping it afloat. Its like taking the bung out of a kill tank and leaving it out, it only fills up to the waterline and the boat sits lower the water doesnt continue to flow in. the only time your boat sinks is if water takes the place of the air in the hull, ie if the scuppers let water onto your deck and a hole in your deck let the water into the hull. if there was foam in the hull or large fuel tanks that arent full, the water would still not take the place of that air and you would still stay afloat with enough air. Lots of the Jackman hulls like in pic have two sealed air chambers in the hull divided at the cabin, so one you was opened to the outside water (forgotten bung, hole in deck) it would only fill one chamber and the chamber still sealed would point to the sky but stay afloat. it is the sealed deck, added foam/air chambers, and divided hull components that makes a boat more seaworthy not the scuppers, which are just convenient to get the water off your deck rather than pumping or scooping off the hull.
I suspect they were unaware they were taking on water until too late. There has been some movement either on board or by waves, and the water has shifted in the hull causing it to roll ????
Can I just say. no matter what the cause, the skipper handled it correctly. The first call was a pan pan and then waited for a response. then immediately stated the problem and his location. clear as a bell. no panic. gave the detail that was needed.
There was another call by another boat that said, may day may day there is a boat sinking..... and then said nothing.....
Everyone was picked up by some of the other 364 boats in the immediate vicinity and I believe the boat was eventually towed in.
Yeah, I heard that too, was a bad call, and the bloke calling Mayday was more stressed than the owner. For a short while, I think we all thought it was a second boat going down.
I swamped the back of my baron with a wave had water in the cabin didn't sink but had the bilge pump on for awile if the boat had a sealed hull shouldnt have gone Down so quick unless there was a leak did it have a auto bilge in the sealed hull .
It was VERY Rough for the swimmers and the skippers/boat crew.
Heard the call on #77, we were not in the immediate area so could not assist!
Respect for the Sea rescue crews!
there was almost another possible rig to sink on the day , I was in Ocean reef marina late Saturday arvo as some of the support boats where returning and in came one of my dream boats 24 ft leader tomcat , the guys pulled it up and retrieved it onto their trailer , once up the ramp on the slope they decided to remove the bungs and let the water drain , had a quick chat about how good the boat was and the guy had only bought it three months ago , 45 minutes later the water still pouring out of the two removed bungs , I mentioned that seemed to be a lot of water and the owner thought it may have a flooded catch tank , it was only then we realised that the same amount of water was still coming out of the front of the hull under cabin area even with the boat still on the ramp slope, a further inspection showed the front section of hull had split open along the bottom of the hull , owner not happy with the prospect of a very damaged hull , lucky they got back from Rotto with that amount of water under the floor , after an hour it started to slow , but was still coming out both sections, Might stay with a Haines I think
How does someone not notice the sluggishness and instability that amount of water would cause?
not very tuned into their boat and it's behaviour I would say.
And yes, stick with the Haines. not sure why you would consider changing from a Haines in the first place..... unless it was for a bigger Haines!
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oh dear
oh dear
vinniefisho
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good boat aswell
good boat aswell
Michael Yoni
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. Its not petermac's is it.
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Auslobster
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Doubt it....
...most likely has (had) a compass.
johnno67
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Love it
Love it
triggy
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got to pay that!
got to pay that!
D_d_001
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Iceman in the background? any
Iceman in the background?
any more info on this ?
randall df223
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That was fremantle sea
That was fremantle sea rescue.
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D_d_001
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yeah, didn't realise where it
yeah, didn't realise where it was till I got a link to what happened.
Tim
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Bung?
Could have been all sorts of things but most likely is bungs or the plastic inspection hatches they put on the motor pod
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Dam, looks like the outboard
Dam, looks like the outboard is missing too.
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crasny1
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My thought
Maybe something happened with the transom first causing the flooding!!!
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Jason P
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Does sound like reasonable
Does sound like reasonable assumption, with the transom failing therefore to flooding quickly and allowing the outboard to drop off. Would be interesting to know the actual cause.
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Is this the one on the Rotto
Is this the one on the Rotto swim?
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yep
yep
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-21/swimmers-rescued-during-perth-to-rottnest-event/6174408
checked my bilge last week
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Bugger, yep it is Kirky.
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Poor buggers. That would
rocklobster
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Bugger, that's gotta hurt.
Bugger, that's gotta hurt. Nice rig too
VaSSagO
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Got two bilge pumps
Got two bilge pumps separately wired up. Pumps twice as fast plus redundancy.
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is that a Assassin?
is that a Assassin?
uncle
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Bit more then faulty pumps
There has to be a root cause, poor bugger, hope he's got insurance
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all going well the pump
all going well the pump should not be doing much work at all.
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Definately
Would have to be petermac
scotto
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nup,
Didnt happen 70kms out to sea...
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gold
funny ha ha
Lastchance
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And there doesnt appear to be
And there doesnt appear to be any 20 foot tiger sharks in the area either like off Onslow
scotto
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but
Petermac wouldve smashed them tiger sharks if they were there (with the ol' left-right combo), only cos he gave up durries 943 years ago whilst wearin his missing glove.
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Sounds about right!
Sounds about right!
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yeah right
not me but I can take a joke
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How does a wave swamp a boat like that
9 news report
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It was about 500 metres away
It was about 500 metres away from us. They first broadcast pan pan. taking water, bilge pumps have failed. another boat called mayday. next minute it was bow up on the water. There was no waves that could have swamped the boat. it must have been a failure, human or structural. All ok which was good news.
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Olliej
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backing down against the
backing down against the slop and catching one over the transom?
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Waiting to see the facts come out
Lost for words, how the hell.
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It came over the radio that a
It came over the radio that a boat was taking on water fast and the next call was that the boat had gone down and that they were on another boat. The weather for the swim was shocking today! There were swells coming in sets of 3 that were well above the predicted 1-1.5m.
Not much else said on what happened and I haven't seen the news reports yet?
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There weren't any waves
There weren't any waves yesterday that would sink a boat. we were quite close (as in I communicated on the radio to water police about the location of the boat compared to the approaching rescue vessel). and there were certainly no waves that would sink a boat.
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GGs
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No waves that would break
No waves that would break over the side but there were certianly waves that could have rolled a boat.
We had a couple of crew onboard that had little experience on boats and a few times they all went to the same side of the boat when changing paddlers and with the periodic sets that were coming through you could come unstuck very fast.
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At that time it was probably
At that time it was probably the calmest it was all day. As the skipper called in they were taking in water. The waves were not enough to roll a stable craft but a boat half full for sure.
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lastcast
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sunk boat
read this: “The wake washed up into the back of the boat and we couldn’t power on to clear it,” boat owner Nathan Colgan said."
Well then, what I would have done is put out a sea anchor so that the
Boat is facing into the waves to give me time to get the motor going.
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I believe may have had
I believe may have had swimmers on the back plus around the boat?
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Everyone's just winging it.
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I have seen that boat
I have seen that boat somewhere, and recently-maybe when we were at Rotto end of school holidays maybe?
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
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Holly shit I seen that boat
Holly shit I seen that boat cruising around in the holding area in the morning of the race
You weren't allowed to put boat in reverse gear the whole time during the race so I dunno how he got water over the back as we're heading into it all day
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dropped off the throttle
dropped off the throttle suddenly and copped the wake combined with a swell over the back maybe.
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shows you how easy a boat
shows you how easy a boat without true flotation can sink......
Boston Whaler 235 Conquest......getting the flogging it was built for.
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Was actually wondering that
Was actually wondering that JohnF, air pocket at the front keeping it afloat?
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Funny how many think a self
Funny how many think a self draining deck makes a boat more seaworthy (it does but only to a point). it is a great way for clearing water quickly however once those scuppers go under the waterline the water will come in rather than out and it becomes self sinking - particularly if combined with cockpit hatches that don't seal properly.
Not to say I wouldn't have or go on a boat with a self draining deck
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Much better than totally rely
Much better than totally rely on a Bilge Pump.
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late reply, but Paul i would
late reply, but Paul i would have to disagree with you here. scuppers are / should only be on boats with decks that are sealed from the hull. that being the case, scuppers can't get below the water line (for more than a brief moment) to allow the water to flow in, as the air is sealed in the hull chamber which keeps the boat afloat and the scuppers above the water line. if carrying excess weight and your boat sitting lower in the water caused the scuppers to be below water line, you would still not sink the boat - your deck would just stay wet as its below the waterline (like barcrushers if you put scuppers in), as there is still plenty of air in the hull chamber keeping it afloat. Its like taking the bung out of a kill tank and leaving it out, it only fills up to the waterline and the boat sits lower the water doesnt continue to flow in. the only time your boat sinks is if water takes the place of the air in the hull, ie if the scuppers let water onto your deck and a hole in your deck let the water into the hull. if there was foam in the hull or large fuel tanks that arent full, the water would still not take the place of that air and you would still stay afloat with enough air. Lots of the Jackman hulls like in pic have two sealed air chambers in the hull divided at the cabin, so one you was opened to the outside water (forgotten bung, hole in deck) it would only fill one chamber and the chamber still sealed would point to the sky but stay afloat. it is the sealed deck, added foam/air chambers, and divided hull components that makes a boat more seaworthy not the scuppers, which are just convenient to get the water off your deck rather than pumping or scooping off the hull.
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No bucket for bailing?
No bucket for bailing?
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I suspect they were unaware
I suspect they were unaware they were taking on water until too late. There has been some movement either on board or by waves, and the water has shifted in the hull causing it to roll ????
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Can I just say. no matter
Can I just say. no matter what the cause, the skipper handled it correctly. The first call was a pan pan and then waited for a response. then immediately stated the problem and his location. clear as a bell. no panic. gave the detail that was needed.
There was another call by another boat that said, may day may day there is a boat sinking..... and then said nothing.....
Everyone was picked up by some of the other 364 boats in the immediate vicinity and I believe the boat was eventually towed in.
Fish! HARD!
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Yeah, I heard that too, was
Yeah, I heard that too, was a bad call, and the bloke calling Mayday was more stressed than the owner. For a short while, I think we all thought it was a second boat going down.
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Wow
I swamped the back of my baron with a wave had water in the cabin didn't sink but had the bilge pump on for awile if the boat had a sealed hull shouldnt have gone Down so quick unless there was a leak did it have a auto bilge in the sealed hull .
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It was VERY Rough for the
It was VERY Rough for the swimmers and the skippers/boat crew.
Heard the call on #77, we were not in the immediate area so could not assist!
Respect for the Sea rescue crews!
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If you think that was very
If you think that was very rough, you've lived a sheltered life. hard work, yes. not rough.
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Subaquatic
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Yeah, I kinda thought it was
Yeah, I kinda thought it was OK too. First half was great, ending was a little sloppy, but ok as we got into the Lee of Rotto. Certainly not rough.
I ended up with engine damage from the Bow Sprit of a Proline that was a little dis-courteous, but for the most part, all skippered did pretty well.
Managed to get home at 20Knts, so all in all, not too bad.
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damaged hull
there was almost another possible rig to sink on the day , I was in Ocean reef marina late Saturday arvo as some of the support boats where returning and in came one of my dream boats 24 ft leader tomcat , the guys pulled it up and retrieved it onto their trailer , once up the ramp on the slope they decided to remove the bungs and let the water drain , had a quick chat about how good the boat was and the guy had only bought it three months ago , 45 minutes later the water still pouring out of the two removed bungs , I mentioned that seemed to be a lot of water and the owner thought it may have a flooded catch tank , it was only then we realised that the same amount of water was still coming out of the front of the hull under cabin area even with the boat still on the ramp slope, a further inspection showed the front section of hull had split open along the bottom of the hull , owner not happy with the prospect of a very damaged hull , lucky they got back from Rotto with that amount of water under the floor , after an hour it started to slow , but was still coming out both sections, Might stay with a Haines I think
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How does someone not notice
How does someone not notice the sluggishness and instability that amount of water would cause?
not very tuned into their boat and it's behaviour I would say.
And yes, stick with the Haines. not sure why you would consider changing from a Haines in the first place..... unless it was for a bigger Haines!
Fish! HARD!