Four Corners - Greyhounds
Submitted by timboon on Mon, 2015-02-16 21:12
Have just watched the four corners episode of the live bating during the Grey Hound training...
I guess through naivety I had dismissed the cruelty to the dogs and had never thought much more about it...
If they treat the bait like they do I can only imagine what they do to the dogs that aren't at the top of their game...
I wont place another bet on the dogs after seeing what actually takes place...
Fucking disgusting!!
Speak with your feet fella's....
TB
Leemo
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I missed it. Focused on a few
I missed it.
Focused on a few that are ruining it for the rest. Such is ABC life I guess. Doesn't happen on a regular or common basis......
bludgin' since 94'
D_d_001
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I didn't miss it. watched it
I didn't miss it. watched it in it's entirety.
seriously think you should have as well before making a comment like that.
Swompa
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on news.com.au now
on news.com.au now
timboon
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Such is ABC life? Not happy
Such is ABC life?
Not happy with the reporting of such matters?
As long as you sleep well winning your $5 quinella...
Just stick to watching commercial TV mate and enjoy the next season of "Farmer wants a Leemo"
timboon
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What doesn't happen on a
What doesn't happen on a regular or common basis?
timboon
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D d 001... I only assume
D d 001...
I only assume your in favour of the reporting and disgusted with the behaviour?
D_d_001
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for sure I'm in favour of
for sure I'm in favour of reporting that exposes organised crime.
my main point though was
the program exposes that this is happening on a very regular basis on multiple properties across multiple states and involves many of the highest profile trainers, owners and biggest winners in those states. Racing Victoria's "trainers of the year" presidents of racings associations Etc etc etc....
out wide
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We live we die
Rabbits and pigs as well..how many rabbits are torn apart every night across Australia by foxes and f*cking cats..100s of thousands I might suggest along with all the other wildlife out there.
I just dont like the cheating. No wonder I cant beat the Tab. Haha.
D_d_001
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A pretty good point
A pretty good point here...it's probably quicker than a death than one that involves Calicivirus.
Point of fact though they were also using native wildlife.
Got to go now catch some more livebaits for the snapper !
;)
petermac
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i have a good mate
I have a good mate that is a trainer in WA I know he would never never do that shit as he is an animal lover , when his dogs get retired he dosent send them to Murdock Vet hospital like most trainers he asks his mates to take them on as pets , I actually asked him if he did it and he said "no mate couldn't stomach that shit I would throw up","my dogs win on their own with out that shit"
Having said that the dog that won last years Perth cup was trained and brought over here for the from victoria , he was identified on the show , personaly think he should be stripped of the title and made to hand back the price money and banned from all types of racing (think Fine Cotton ring in)
timboon
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Out wide.... Shame.... I
Out wide.... Shame....
I hope your tied to a tow ball and towed through the street stopping every once in a while so a kid can run up n kick your balls....
you best not squeal, take it like the piglet you are
Leemo
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are we all suddenly
are we all suddenly environmentalists or something, jesus
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meglodon
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Leemo your a dreamer
When the report clearly shows some (a lot) of the biggest names in the grey hound industry carrying out unlawful acts to cheat what faith can you have in the industry as a whole.
In one of the local news paper down here there was a report on one of the prominent trainers being done for giving the dogs a "little something" to perk them up a bit.
When the CEO of grey hounds Australia sits in front of a camera on national tv and spews out such verbal human waste then you know that the industry is rotten from the very top to the bottom.
The next time people think about putting money on the dogs, just stop and think for a minute, is the dog I have put money on "getting a fair crack of the whip".
I think not, and lets not try and soften the issue by saying the same thing is happening in nature and it is quite ok. You only make yourself look like you are only one step away from the cave.
timboon
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Well said Megladon!! Its a
Well said Megladon!!
Its a sad day when anyone can condone this type of actions...
I fish, I hunt but I respect my prey and kill humanely...
scottland
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Humanely or not
Killings killing
i support two teams eagles and whoever is playing the dockers
out wide
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Yeah sure bet you never miss haha
kill humanely LOL. Bet there is plenty of wounded animals out there that you have caused a slow dead too [ slower than the poor buggers in question ] and as a hunter dont tell me this has never happened.
What do you do go out and blow away a few roos and rabbits for fun ? Hypocrisy sure is alive and well around here
timboon
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Keep going mate... What is a
Keep going mate...
What is a slow dead to...
Listening to your crap is killing me slow dead to...
You just worry about your few bucks you spend at the TAB, it sounds as though that's your major concern here...
Those of us that have a spine will choose to not participate for our entertainment if this stuff is happening like it has been reported...
I'm sure anyone that witnessed the program tonight would feel the same way as I do...
channy
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I worked for a greyhound
I worked for a greyhound trainer for 4 years and used to have part ownership in some dogs. I wish four corners showed more of what really happens behind the scenes in the racing industry. It's horrible. Live baiting does happen here. I know of some wa trainers who do it and use substances. A lot of them get caught and get banned for a couple years and fined but there are also the ones that don't get caught. The trainer i worked for got asked if we wanted a rabbit to practice with.. We said yes but only so we could keep it as a pet before other trainers got to it. We never used substances or blood training. We did get dogs sent from over East that were blood trained though
i had part ownership of a greyhound who got sent to Northam to get broken in. There were always rumours of how they mistreated dogs. The trainers who did the breaking in were mean people. If the dogs they owned weren't good enough or didn't learn how to chase, they lined up, shot them and put them in a hole. Or starved them. Or hit them over the head with a shovel. Or poisoned them. Or drowned them. The list goes on. The dog I was getting broken in ended up escaping the breakers. They ended up getting her back and when we picked her up she was really timid. She didn't like people at all. She would just hide and cower away. Shes my pet now. With another greyhound I've adopted. I'm totally against greyhound racing now. Seeing behind the scenes like I have there's no way I could ever be for it. I used to be one of those people that walked the dogs to the boxes before the race, if they fell down and broke a leg I was the one who had to take them into the vet room and watch them get put down. Very very rarely do they get a second chance. It takes 6 months+ for a broken hock to heal which is the most common injury. Most trrainers don't have the time or money to put into those dogs so they just get them put down. Some of them were the sweetest dogs. Even wagging their tail as the needle went in. I've had to carry dogs off the track with broken backs, legs, smashed in faces, you name it. It really is such a sad and disgusting sport.
I foster and re home greyhounds now.
roberta
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Totally agree Channy
My first husband and I lived in Victoria. We went to see a friends grey hound being trained for the track. To my disgust we saw rabbits, chooks and before we came apparently live cats tied to the lure. My god I went crazy, yelling, screaming that I was going to contact the RSCPA, my first husband just about grabbed me kicking and screaming to the car. I saw a mother and daughter both looking over a rabbit that their dog was killing, both saying "go boy thats a good boy." You can image the verbal disgust that came out of my mouth, while being dragged back to the car kicking, screaming and crying. In that same week end it was on the TV news that the RSPCA had found 20 dumped dead grey hounds with their ears cut off, skinned and paws at the local tip. This was 40yrs ago and the image is still in my brain hearing that rabbit scream as it ws being ripped apart.
I'm all for shooting to kill for food, good clean shot that kills the animal instantly, fishing, my late husband would after bringing the fish on board, kill the fish instantly shishemi it, kill instantly, also cut its throat, then take out the hook.
Unfortunatelythe same can be said of the horse racing industry. I could write a lot about the horse racing industry but I won't.
Due we ban dog and horse racing, No, but their needs to be better regulations, officials checking etc Unfortunately that costs money, so the above will continue for the next 40yrs or so. Just look how the authoritieis try to stop dog or cock fights, never truly stamp these cruel practices out as they are mobile.
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channy
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Andrew Wilkie is calling for
Andrew Wilkie is calling for an immediate suspension of greyhound racing nationally. A good start lets see where this goes
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Looking good channy :)
Looking good channy :)
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dano83
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Sorry but, What's the
Sorry but, What's the difference of live baiting a fish and live baiting a rabbit, which is a pest and shouldnt be here in the 1st place.
or using dogs to hunt pigs Same same
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Fish aren't furry and cute.
Fish aren't furry and cute.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
sea-kem
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Your moral compass is
Your moral compass is screwed up gyprock. I can't believe some of the neanderthal comments on here, from some people I thought would know better.
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petermac
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agree with you mate
I agree but I can guarantee you the WA greyhound industry is the most monitored racing in WA , WA racing should take a good hard look at the whipping of horses at the trots
roberta
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Think
you are splitting hairs
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turtl3tim
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the difference being that
the difference being that fish naturally eat other live fish, all we do is act as the middle man, we catch the smaller fish first and return them to the water for bigger fish, so we get to eat...perks of being at the top of the food chain.
95% of dogs now are bred to be domesticated animals, this includes greyhounds, they shouldnt be taunted with live rabbits/pigs/chickens or whatever. fair enough, once in a blue moon a domesticated dog may get a hold of one of these animals, but they arent trained to do it. cattle dogs arent trained to bite cows/sheep. hunting dogs arent trained to eat what they catch.
the big difference here is that the trainers are taking it upon themselves to carry out acts of animal cruelty. NOT ON!
Good things come to those who bait.
carnarvonite
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Common practice
Live baiting greyhounds is a common practice here as well as over east and its no surprise that some greenies have placed cameras at trainers properties to record it.
Ask any trainer what is going to happen to a slow or old dog and you will get a reply that it will be racing at "Angel Park" on Friday night, in other words pushing up flowers in the back yard.
petermac
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your right mate
years back I had a couple of whippets what did I use them for , catching bloody rabbits that we ate . the truth is the wa greyhound racing is so policed I couldn't see it happening over here , the dogs have to be within 100 grams of there last racing weight to start so it is monitored pretty hard , I know my mate down south that is a trainer has had lots of surprise visits from the greyhound racing association and good on them for doing it, went to the whippets after getting sick of digging my ferrets out of rabbit warrens
timboon
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So you don't have a problem
So you don't have a problem with it Gyprock & dodgy?
How you get your name dodgy?
If you watched the program and you don't have a problem with animals being restrained and repeatedly ripped apart until death then I question your mental state.
I hope you don't own any animals.
Carnarvon I don't know why people need to be labelled greenies in light of exposing this?
Praise to their good work.
If bad practise by abattoirs can shut down a live export trade in a country that it means so much then I hope this also goes that far. Fuck It, its only entertainment.
Thanks for telling your story Channy and good on your good deeds.
Auslobster
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Yes...
...only entertainment. But BILLION DOLLAR entertainment. Money talks, everything else walks, and Four Corners, 16 Corners, even 256 Corners ain't gonna change that.
timboon
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Really? Hmmm.... I bet
Really?
Hmmm....
I bet there was a few beef producers in the North that held onto the same hope until it all came crashing down through no fault of their own...
We'll see...
uncle
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When humans are involved
Every possible avenue will be taken to fleece the punters
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As a dog lover
Its disgusting. Not a TAB man but every now and then place a random bet at the pub. Wont be greyhounds again.
As mentioned above its a money game, and if people like Hird et al can dope young footballers, for sure "dodgy" (no pun intended mate) characters will do things to animals cruely to get the edge. Suxs dogs balls (pun intended) IMO.
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While the indifferent
While the indifferent attitudes by the owners/trainers to the obvious cruelty was very worrying to say the least, the real story was the one they only just touched upon. that being the fact that a "couple of greenies" could expose what the appointed racing association could not.
Either the racing association have to admit that they are a bunch of completely ineffectual Muppets who cant do their job and should be sacked.......or the racing association is involved. Wether involvement means "turning a blind eye" or something more sinister, at this point who knows. I know which side I would bet my money !!!
Good on these guys for being active and bring this corruption out ! I'll be watching with great interest on outcomes here.
Auslobster
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Government won't ban...
...alcohol and tobacco, which cause death and destruction among humans, why would they ban gambling, which "only" causes death and destruction among animals?
Look, it's (supposedly) a free country and this greyhound baiting thing is an horrific practice and needs to be pointed out. Good on the TV show for doing that, and good on you, Timboon for rightfully being upset about it. But knowing how people like to spend their money, and knowing how the powers-that-be like to take it from them, I think it's just wishful thinking that anything could possibly be done about it.
D_d_001
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power of the media is pretty
power of the media is pretty big as well.
As Timboon states the same activist pretty well shut down the live export trade.
I agree of course the govt wont step in and shut it down but when a "billion dollar industry" starts loosing profits the industry is in for a big shakeup.
carnarvonite
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Live exports
I am all for shutting down the live export trade, as an ex slaughterman from the seventies when al meat processing was done in Australia and frozen cartons or chilled meat was exported. Then some greedy barsteward found he could make more money by sending the whole live animal overseas for someone else to do the work and not have all the overheads involved with running an abattoir, boning rooms and by products cooker. Thousands of meatworkers were sacked and abattoirs like Wyndham, Derby, Broome, Katherine [NT] shut down.
As for live baiting greyhounds, where in my previous statement does it say that I am all for it? All I said is that it is common practice and any slow dog ends up in a hole in the ground. Of course I don't approve of it but that has nothing to do with it.
Seems strange but no one has been caught live baiting in WA for over 8 years, does that mean no one is doing it or that no one is looking for those that are doing it, the latter I think is more likely.
D_d_001
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Hey buddy ....not sure if
Hey buddy ....not sure if this is at me but honestly didn't mean offence at the "greenies" comment ....my point was just that this small and independent group was able to easily obtain hours and hours of illegal offences across the country and to me that it is very suspicious that the governing body in this industry (w)(c)ould (please insert which letter you feel appropriate)not do this! I think(but could be wrong here) they stated that they had 20 full time officers and stewards in the industry just in one state.
dumper
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You'd have to be pretty
You'd have to be pretty naive to think this kind of stuff didn't happen tho. It's a bit like kony 2012, everybody knows there's bad people doing bad shit all over the place, but are quite content to pretend it doesn't happen. Then somebody films an expose that goes viral on YouTube and suddenly, everybody goes "ERMAGAWD!!! The government must stop this". then six weeks later a new expose pops up on you tube and everybody goes back to betting on the dogs like as if nothing has happened.
Brock O
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Agree dumper
I believe the live export of cattle is alive and well and will never be stopped, nothing wrong it on the new ships now days! this will give the industry a shake up but by no means will ever stop what's happening at different training properties.
Didnt see the report, don't care to much for ferrel rabbits either but this is pretty wrong.....Hard to know which dog to bet on?
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just for clarity here the
just for clarity here the report showed all sorts of animals being used including native possums. (one particular one with a baby in it's pouch.....the baby was removed and the guys (trainers) saying on camera smash it's (baby native possum') head into the sand. this was done, then the native possum (mum) was then literally torn in two by the dogs.
so like I said ...for clarity we are not just talking about a couple of feral rabbits.
barneyboy
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seriously??
its not a new thing and has been going on for eons!!! I first new about it was about 20 years ago when my house mates cat went missing. Fair few days later she found it in the back yard with its front claws removed. Haha, f@#kn cats!! She won't play with those boys again!!
FEEEISH ONNN!!!
sea-kem
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Ohhhhh ok that makes all
Ohhhhh ok that makes all this all right then, gosh how naive we all are.The fuckwits that practice this deserve the same treatment.
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iana
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Wow havn't seen a thread like this for years --- Where's Tony!
But seriously, I used to trap possums in NZ when I was about 8 or 9, used those closing jaw traps. Used to catch them and club them over the head and collect the bounty. One morning before school I checked the traps and there was a possum that had been caught by the nose. It had ripped its nose back to exposed scull, I never trapped possums after that. I used to go deer stalking, we made our own soft nose bullets by cutting back military ammo.
Anyway I was waiting at this feeding spot and sure enough a beautiful deer came on the scene. I shot the deer and blew its neck apart. must have cut a bit too much copper off the bullet. never went deer stalking again.
I really don't know what is right or wrong, cats will torcher there catch for hours. But we are human and with our intelligence should know better, yet we are the worst offenders.
It makes me feel very sorry for us all.
Bodie
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The minister who got on the
The minister who got on the news tonight and said its not happening in WA needs his head read. This has been happening for years. 20 years ago as a kid I saw it happening and I'm dam sure it is worse now.
it will only be a matter of time before WA is bought under the spot light. You would also be very surprised which high profile people who are into dogs / betting knows how these things work. It's a known but kept quiet process here in WA
choc
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Firstly I do not condone
Firstly I do not condone this practice.
Can someone explain clearly how this is different to putting a hook through the back of a fish and sinking it to the depths for a bigger fish to rip apart?
Is it because the bait fish is out of sight and you cant hear it? Is it because that is what every one on here considers normal because they have always done it?
What makes us the decision makers on which animals are ok to use as live baits and which ones are not?
timboon
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I just want to thank blokes
I just want to thank blokes like Sea Kem, Megladon, dd 101 for speaking their minds...
It soon shuts the fuckwits up that come on here because they think they have something informative to say and after they made out to look like the tools that they are they fuck off and some sense come back into the topic...
Bodie, no doubt...
Iana, I've had similar experiences in my life that has shaped me to be who I am and what I stand for now...
Good on you mate, respect!!
TB
barneyboy
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so what are you gunna do??
this grey hound thing is something I think you might be able to help with ..
FEEEISH ONNN!!!
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Whoa
The James Hird loving High Horse Rider has ridden into town. Should we bow?
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sid
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Thought this was a fishing
Thought this was a fishing site,we put a hook, hidden in a bait, sometimes live,then hook a fish,wait till has used all its energy up,then pull it in.keep it out of the water where it cant breathe,take pics etc,then try to revive it.or kill it.WTF.keep on protestin about the poor pigs rabbits etc,and wait for your sport to come under the scope again,Sid
sea-kem
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Missed the point completely
Missed the point completely mate. What we do when we (I) fish is done humanely and swiftly. Not for the gain and greed of these wankers who have no conscience by having animals that cannot fight back and protect themselves mauled by their dogs. You cannot compare fishing with this barbaric behaviour.
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sid
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Aint nuthin humane in letin
Aint nuthin humane in letin your hering whiting etc,snuff it through lack of water in a bucket or on the rocks.or fighting a big fish for a few hours and killin it slowly,or useing livebait with a couple of hooks in it,live and let live,them animal activists with their vids etc were called grasses in my day,and you know what happens to a grass.keep on keepin on geezer,and loose your own sport...Sid
sea-kem
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Aint nuthin humane in letin
Aint nuthin humane in letin your hering whiting etc,snuff it through lack of water in a bucket or on the rocks.or fighting a big fish for a few hours and killin it slowly,or useing livebait with a couple of hooks in
Tell me where I said that above???
I slit their throats and kill em quick and humane. Not let a pack of dogs maul em. What's nuthin btw? new word?
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sid
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Nuthin is nothing without the
Nuthin is nothing without the g and added u instead of o,my accent,i type as i say,same as letin,your obviosly educated as you totaly understood wat i said,im not a comformist.you may slit there throats ,sit on any rockwall and watch the masses...i didnt come here to nit pik...Sid
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sea-kem
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Not really
Not really
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sid
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thought not
timboon
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The Collingwood tosser can't
The Collingwood tosser can't help himself....
Cop that Hirdie...
Pisser....
Horse rider???
Hmmm not sure what that means BIG john, thanks for hijacking a topic that clearly you don't have anything decent to add...
Try again BIG j, and come up with some substance or fuck off and leave it to those that have an opinion that's worth listening to...
big john
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Blah blah blah
You're finally passionate about something and know one else is allowed to have a different opinion? Please, we really need a wanker emoticon.
No I haven't seen the report BUT I dont agree with torturing animals either.
The thing thats piqued my interest is you labelling people who dont agree with you as fuckwits. Poor form timboon.
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timboon
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Sid so you saw 4 corners and
Sid so you saw 4 corners and don't have a problem with the behaviour of the guys/gals in question?
Cmon speak up here publicly, it will tell us a bit about you mate...
sid
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didnt need to see four
didnt need to see four corners i grew up in the 70s london overspill.used to go fishing whenever i could,in the closed season used to,take my Jackrussel rabiting,find a hole bung the jacko down it and it would bring you out a rabit or two or sit in there and eat them for itself,used to have to dig it out then.it was a family dog annd my kids were under three..had ferrits aswell did the same sorty of thing,walked greyhouns for trainers for a few quid if we got the option and chasd and caught RABBITS,government of the time decided there were to many bunnies so poisoned them with mitzi..look it up, made them blind...very humane...dont get suckerd say fuck all and they cant change you... make one rule and wait for the rest to come...ive got six kids three grandies and another on the way............rules make more rules Sid
out wide
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Dear channy
You said..I worked for a greyhound trainer for 4 years and used to have part ownership in some dogs. I wish four corners showed more of what really happens behind the scenes in the racing industry. It's horrible. Live baiting does happen here.
So you being involved for 4 years and knowing what went on.. doesn't that sort of implicate you in what when on.. as you failed to protect the dogs from this unlawful practice makes your post look a little silly. IMO you could have let the powers of the day know what was going on and maybe saved a few greyhounds pigs and rabbits.
Things like this are the tip of the iceberg for tossers like that nobody green pr*ck wilkie who would have us all stop fishing in a flash if he could. A handful of voters got him in and he is always airing his views on that freeloading abc. No one else is interested in what he has to say.
Nobody likes cruelty in any form but it goes on everywhere and yes the greenies and wilkies of this world say fish have feelings to. Don't tell me you don't have just a little pity for the livies you sink the hooks into and the crabs and crays you have thrown in the pot to boil alive..yep nasty shit that and what about those magnifcent fish like old blue groper who follow us around under water trusting us no to kill them... then bang, spear through the back.
Why would some people feel sorry for pest animals being killed by dogs but then ignore what they do as they go about killing things themseles.
The hyrocrisy of those that shoot the shit out of animals and then bitch about a few others that also kill. Oh thats right its done humanely..FFS let go of it before it falls off Haha.
I'm saying before you shoot your mouths off stop and think about what you do out there going about your everyday lives. I for the record hunt and kill animals fish crabs crays like a lot of us but I dont knock others for doing the same.
And here is some food for thought..today same as every day..over 20,000 children under the age of 4 died from starvation also many thousands more from preventable diseases that we could have stopped. Yep every day and you lot are bitching about a few rabbits on a greyhound lure.
channy
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Me saying anything about it
Me saying anything about it would not have stopped a single thing. I would have just lost my job and everything would continue as normal. Also I did what I could for the dogs of the trainer I worked with. She had 40+ dogs and each day of the week I would take a group of them for walks to get them out of their kennels. I also bought them toys and treats with my own money to keep them entertained in their kennels which is were they spend most of their lives. I would stay back and take time to play with them too. And if trainers talked to me saying they were going to get a dog put down i would do my best to find a foster carer or spare kennel where I worked for it stay.
Plus I don't use livies or sink my hook into crabs for bait. I don't catch to kill. I don't even like sea food. I don't use bait full stop.
Also those 20,000 kids that die from starvation a day.. That's just nature. Happens in the wild too when something doesn't get enough to eat or gets sick. The worlds too over populated anyway. The world would be a lot more balanced if there weren't a billion pills and treatments to prolong lives etc. just my 2 cents.
sid
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like what your sayin
like what your sayin ow,obviosly better at puttin a point accross than me ..cheers Sid
timboon
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Bravo OW.... That's the
Bravo OW....
That's the picture most of us had of you before your essay...
Tosser...
BIG John, its actually pretty scary that people can have any other opinion than one of disgust of what went on in last nights program...
You have laid your cards on the table mate...
Disrespect to you!!!
It is kinda funny though how you try and drag other shit into your argument to sit you higher on your soap box, we can all see through it mate...
Those I've labelled a fuckwit I stand by my words, I'd sit through a repeat of the program last night and be fascinated by the reactions of those that are trying to compare it to anything other than the brutality it was...
Perhaps its my nature to barrack for the underdog.
timboon
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Are you pissed Sid? Make
Are you pissed Sid?
Make some sense in your next reply please
timboon
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BIG J, That's about as close
BIG J,
That's about as close as you'll get to a wanker emoticon
http://fishwrecked.com/files/pictures/picture-310.jpg
big john
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Haha
You have lost it.
The only card I laid on the table was that I dont agree with calling people who disagree with me fuckwits.
You're happy to roll that way so good luck with that.
Your beating me with experience so I'll bow down now.
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timboon
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And by the way Sid, I could
And by the way Sid, I could tell by your comments that you hadn't actually seen the program, I'll give you the benefit of doubt before I make a judgement of your character...
Watch the program and come back, I'm guessing the blokes I called a fuckwit earlier perhaps might have looked further into what was shown and now they gone quiet...
Understandably...
big john
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Judgement
What's your judgement on mine Timboon?
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sid
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As i said before,no ididnt
As i said before,no ididnt need to see it,i personaly dont realy give a shit if some pig cat duckbiled playpus is being put on a rail and is being chased mauled played with or slowly put to death,aint none of my my buisness look after your own,mind your own buisness,or rules will be forced upon you...didnt have keyboards spell check in my day,but stillhad the say fu.. all rule,keep on fishin...Sid
sid
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dano83
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Nah I just had my
Nah I just had my opinion.thats all.. and I dont really give two chits what you think or call me any way it's my opinion. Yer its proberebly cruel and horrible, It's been going on for years so does alot of other cruel bad chit.i personally have a lot more important things to worry about like enjoying time with family and friends.
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timboon
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BIG J "You're finally
BIG J
"You're finally passionate about something and know one else is allowed to have a different opinion? Please, we really need a wanker emoticon."
I'm passionate about many topics on here, I value others opinions... It is a forum after all
"No I haven't seen the report BUT I dont agree with torturing animals either."
Watch the fucking program mate before coming on here trying to be funny and shit stirring...
"The James Hird loving High Horse Rider has ridden into town. Should we bow?"
Bow, beat your chest do what ever you choose mate...
My original post was simply sticking up for animals being brutally torured then slaughtered and asking people to instead of having a beer and a flutter vote with their feet and avoid showing support to what was displayed in last nights doco...
If your happy to condone this behaviour well your call, I wont be...
carnarvonite
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Language please
Please cut down on the bad language, there are people of all ages reading this thread and all the others on this wonderful site and the last thing Adam and the sponsors need is to see swear words in nearly each one of you replies, that goes for all of us as well.
Thank you
big john
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LOL
LOL
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petermac
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if any one cares
going out on a squid hunt tomorrow , hope I don't hurt the squid to much when catching them nuff said
Rob H
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I can see the shelf life of
I can see the shelf life of this thread ebbing away.
Timboon, without saying which of the fence I sit on top of, Ive got to say that you'd do better to take a step back, and take a deep breath then reassess how to present your stance.
This is looking more and more like Til's last post here
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
timboon
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Point taken Rob,
Point taken Rob, Carnavon...
Pete pete pete...
out wide
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Watch out choc
you will be called a fuckwit by that james hird loving high horse rider Haha
You are the only fuckwit here timboon as apparently no one eles can have his own opinon. Every forum has one and you have proven your it on this one. lol
timboon
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Cracker OW... Feel free to
Cracker OW...
Feel free to have an educated opinion OW... I'm all for listening to peoples educated opinions, You?? Your yet to show it...
Calling me out on this one means your also calling Seakem, Dd101, Channy etc etc out??
Is that the case, you strongly disagree with others opinions here or you just want me to cop your redneck attitude?
out wide
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Hey Timboon we all get along
on here and we sometimes dont agree with others but shit you go off. All of us except others without giving them a serve. You got to settle mate cause you are looking stupid on this one LOL
You obviously love rabbits and pigs cause most of us don't give a shit if the dogs are having a bit of fun with them. The principles of baiting are fairly low but hey what right have I got to slip into them when I am far from perfect.
Like you mate I somtimes kill things [with a gun that would shoot the arse of your more than likely splatter gun] so who am I to judge.
Must add I never kill anything for no reason oh except for the animals you are passionate about that is foxes cats pigs and rabbits... sorry mate yes I kill rabbits your beloved rabbits. Like the dogs I like eating them Haha
timboon
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OW.... Your trying to turn
OW.... Your trying to turn this into a your penis is bigger than mine comp...
I'm sure you have a massive wang, you just keep touching it ok...
Dogs having a bit of fun? Yeah fair call in a paddock or down a burrow but not a possum/pig or rabbit strapped to a pole with no chance....
Is that sport is it? Is that your sort of thing is it?
I don't care what you hunt, if you do it humanely with purpose I respect that...
I remember going rabbit trapping with my headmaster and class in year 5 back in SA, that's how things were back then... Now, traps are banned, why??
Coz they cruel as F**K, do I trap rabbits now, shit no, cruelas f**k... Do I shoot rabbits, you betcha...
I hunt humanely with purpose...
Have you watched the program yet?
Cmon mate put it back in your pants for ten minutes and get on you tube and check it out...
meglodon
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I'm looking for a word....
Arh yes I have found the word, integrity that's the word I'v been looking for. When people such as sports administrators, trainers, stewards, or umpires are put in positions where the public believe that they will ensure that the sport is carried out within the laid down rules for that sport and the laws of the land.
We have a right to demand and in fact expect the people to have high morals and integrity. When these people act in such blatantly dis honest unlawful ways they all do the community a grave dis service and put a black greasy stain on the record of that particular sport. All those involved with the sport suffer from the acts these people in whom we put our trust have behaved.
It will be very interesting to see just how heavy and how high the axe is wielded to get rid of the criminals.
The excuse of I didn't know what was going on just doesn't cut it, if you where put in the position of ensuring that the sport was conducted within the rules/laws then you are responsible. For if you didn't know then you should have known because it was your job to find out what was going on under your watch.
It is interesting to see that Lance Armstrong is now being sued by various sponsors for 12 odd mil for being a cheat and making false statements, all one can do is hope that those authorities with the power, strip those found guilty of cheating lying and generally behaving like the low down criminals they are of all monies trophies that they have won and confiscate there assets under the proceeds of crime act.
Then ban them for life from being involved in any way in any sport.
For justice to be done it must be seen to be done, none of this behind closed doors or in camera crap.
To finish on a note related to fishing, I ask all those who have raised the question of sticking hooks into fish for live baiting to read up on the studies that have been carried out on the pain receptors of fish as against warm blooded creatures.
Do fish feel pain the results (from what I have read) are inconclusive, however they are most certainly different from warm blooded animals.
choc
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How can you say they are
How can you say they are certainly different from warm blooded animals if (in your own words) the results are inconclusive?
timboon
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Well put Megla, I assumed
Well put Megla,
I assumed that your closing paragraph was obvious to those of us that fish but I see your need to post it here.
Again well said and yep I hope your right those that have been caught here need to be made an example of...
out wide
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I wish timboon
Good luck in your endeavor to stop this unlawful practice but i can tell ya it ain't gunna happen.
Everyone is into it over there the stewards and all.. not so much here. This is why the Eastern State dogs always beat ours.
This industry is to big for it to shut down. Just no chance of that. A few lines of B/S to the media..a few suspensions, go to ground for a while then the power of the $ will be to much to resist.
People will once again look the other way.
Then it will be bring our ya rabbits.. bring out ya rabbits and pigs posums and cats too Haha.
Needs an outside body to [ watch them ] like that usless RSPCA. What a waiste of tax payer dollars they are. Basicly sit on there arses non stop and now and then book someone for under feeding something.
P.s I think you were very rude to our long time friend of all the Fishwrecked member BJ.... I might of asked for some backlash all ok but BJ has never causes shit that I know off..you owe him an apology imo.
Just because he supports Collingwood doesn't give you the right to kick him in the nuts Haha
sea-kem
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Jesus Wayne ya just had to
Jesus Wayne ya just had to bring footy into it :P
Love the West!
barneyboy
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there are lots of unjust things in the world...
IMO if you are really passionate about it, do something about it. It happens every day in the animal kingdom.
If not, get on with it... There are worse things in the world...
Like the way that some humans treat other humans..That is something that we can change>>
FEEEISH ONNN!!!