yeah thats actually really cool, thanks for answering....

I knew its something to do with how they spooled it....

Doesnt matter now I guess, the fricken thing is nearly all gone... all thats left is about 15 metres of braid and however much the length of the mono backing they put on under it.... maybe another 50m?

Next time I think ill do that, ill pull it all out and rewind it back onto the reel and see how it looks... trim it back heh.

Its just that and a host of other things that dont go your way really sometimes get you down and discouraged about trying at all.

Ask them to put less mono backing on so you spool isn't as full. Wally is on the money, seen many a tackle store do it and frustrates the hell out of me too.

yeah, cheers for the advice... hopefully, next time I decide to stand out in the howling wind and rain in my little spot which got invaded by surfers, ill get a few hours in before they clog the spot up without dysfunction from my gear.

Funny you bring that up Rickets. As a grommit surfing at City Beach and Floreat I used to hate the fisho's casting their lines over us. We used to bite through the mono with our teeth when they went slack. Used to get some pretty aggro fisho's, but seeing as most of them were solos or just with a mate we were able to dominate. How things have changed, now I'm a fisho getting into the surfers, but still understand where theyre coming from. 

yeah seeing as though I was solo and the way that the grommit populous is more aggro these days, i wasnt going to provoke them getting drilled by the trebles on my roosta and have them gang up on me.. considering I too used to surf at the same place, I know how violent they can be lol

Good info from Wally, we always fill the spool to the "under lip postion" but many tackle stores fill to the lip (wrong)

Cheers



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Hi Ya,

Have been around here for some time but not posted before.

While comments about the spool being too full may be correct, my experience is that most braids I use  do not like the automatic return of the bail arm.  I have Fireline in 10lb, 20lb, 30lb, Finns Spectra in 20lb and Tufline XP in 20lb on a variety of reel manufacturers and they all do it.  In every size mentioned (all on spinning reels) when I rely on the auto return of the bail arm, the first turn of the handle regularly causes the line to lays across the top of the spool. Hence the knots on next cast.

I now (nearly) always return the bail arm manually.  Even when I'm in a boat and not casting.  When I manually return the bail arm, I never, never have the knot problem.  Recently in Hamelim Bay, however, I got too excited catching salmon and forgot once or twice and, hey presto, got knots almost immediately.

I'm convinced that returning the bail arm manually has a lot to do with it.  And all my spools are filled to the tippy top to maximise cast distance.

Cheers.

I have the same problem when i try to get some extra distance in casting and whip the rod back in motion! As soon as the line looses alittle tension i get wind knots. And they are a pain in the arse but not other problems usally.
P.S. Wally your spot on with the spool.........i never exeed the lip even though it looks like you could get a far bit more on, i just causes you problems.

Keep it tight, reeeeeeel tight!

well... one of my habits is I always return the bail arm manually with my hand, I never rely on it auto returning... so I guess that doesnt really apply to me... however good to know..

I respooled my reel with 200m of 10lb fireline. Went out in the windy conditions today and did some inner marina fishing for bream using SP's and it never tangled on me once...

Wierd, oh well, I just need to watch it.

Hi Ya,

Spess, I'm not trying to tell you how to cast a rod, you probably know more about it than I do.

But one thing I will say, and this is based on a conversation I had with a guy at a dry casters day at Inglewood and he is/was a state record holder, is that casting for distance isn't all about 'whip[ing] the rod back in motion'.

It was facinating to watch the guys casting.  And apparently the secret isn't so much with the speed of motion, but with the length of line from tip of rod to weight.  Admittedly this guy was using a 16' rod.  But from what he told me, the greatest advantage from using a longer rod was the extra length of line he could get from rod tip to weight.  When he had the rod standing verticly, the weight was almost at the reel.  In other words, he had about 13' of line out.  And while rod tip speed obviously has an impact on the cast speed of the weight, the length of line form rod tip to weight has an even greater impact and it is weight speed that determines the cast distance. (taking into account all the wind resistence factors of bait etc).

The one thing he did stress was not to move the rod back and forward in one motion (least I think that's what you are saying).  He indicated that, after swinging the rod back over your shoulder, it was good idea to wait a second or 3 before commencing the forward motion for the very reasons you mentioned.  In fact, he laid the line out along the ground behind him so the weight was actually stationery at the time he commenced the cast.  I can't remember the weight he was casting now, but he was casting near 180m.

In Hamelin Bay recently, using an elcheapo Jarvis Walker rod, a Banax Poseidon 5600 spooled with Finns Spectra, I was casting a 90gm metal lure 80m plus without to much effort.  But I did have about 6' of line between rod tip and lure which ensured me a high weight speed.

If you haven't been to a dry casters day, I'd strongly recommend it.  I learned a hell of a lot just watching.  And the opportunity to talk to the guys was priceless.  If you take your own gear, they are even very happy to teach you how to et most out of it.
 
You can check them out at their web site at http://www.surfcasters.iinet.net.au/  Just look for the dry casting link.

Cheers.

thats mad, ill have to remember that one when I fang out the line on my 10'...

DEFENCE DEFENCE




come and get it fishy fishy fishy !!!!!!

Ok I dont feel too bad anymore lol

Although, I did have a horrendous fall at the Ocean Reef Marina once, completely pwned my legs up... was pissing out with blood.... lost my mate's rod and reel.... his other rod and reel ended up submerged in the water - cactus... same as one of mine and to top it off... lost my whole entire tackle box, it floated for about 20 seconds, then sunk to the bottom........

my mate just laughed his ass off at me hanging by my fingers off this rock, about halfway up the wall where a drop off was and about 1.6 metres down to a rocky water hole rofl

"Shut up and help me you asshole!"

"I knew that rock looked questionable to stand on"

Yeah i can do alright mate. Knocking coke cans off a fence post from 20feet away tells me i can cast alittle!lol. Baitcaster only though and 1 out of 30 isnt to bad.LOL> hehehehee No offence taken mate im pretty cruzy.Whipping the rod back during the cast? I do this to get the lure to carry over the next breaker if fishing from the beach! This can hold the lure up in the air for the extra bit of time needed to make it land were you want it, you only need a window of 1/2 a second to get it there. It deffently works but i should of explained alittle more that im not really trying to get extra distance just hold it up long enough to get the "MONEY SHOT" cast which can make all the difference in catching fish as im sure everyone knows.

Cheers for the info though ody it was worth the read and i have seen them guys....awsome indeed.. And yeah a little bit of practice anyone can hit a coke can off a post.LOL.

Keep it tight, reeeeeeel tight!

its your starlo stix that casts good for you spess lolCHEERS SHAG

Na thats just my toy rod! Thats what sherbs thinks anyway!lol. Calcutta 200 and loomis rod...accurate as hell when you know how to use it right.

Keep it tight, reeeeeeel tight!

how long is your loomis?
hahah dont worry.

Ummmmmmmmmmmm should i anwser that? hehehehe 6 foot 6...... 4 to 6kg

Keep it tight, reeeeeeel tight!

haha...