game fishing question

just a quick question for the game fisherman out there . . when trolling lures (skirts) do you guys set your drags to strike while they are in the rod holder and activly trolling or do you set them at a lower pressure and push the lever to strike after you have the rod in your hand ? this is  presuming that the drags are set at 1/3 of the lines breaking strain.

any help would be good thanks guys .. i hooked my first marlin today but dropped it pretty soon after so trying to iron out the kinks in the way i deal with hookups :(


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Each to their own

Fri, 2010-05-21 20:33

but yep exactly what you said!

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Game fishing

Fri, 2010-05-21 20:43

When trolling, set your drag to the point that line is not coming off your reel, but would come off with any amount of resistance, it all differs with switch baiting etc, but as a rule this works.

Not many people troll with their drags set in strike!!

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that didnt help sam :) do

Fri, 2010-05-21 20:40

that didnt help sam :)

do you set yours on strike in the rod holder ?

 

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you have hit the nail on the

Fri, 2010-05-21 20:42

you have hit the nail on the head mate ,got the right way of thinking im still losing heeps of fish i still havent got the kinks out either ,but i have about a 25% hook up rate for me , so i lose HEAPS

jeff

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yep we do and just a little

Fri, 2010-05-21 20:43

yep we do and just a little backed off

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woops

Fri, 2010-05-21 20:45

just re-read the Q, and yeh i set it below for the initial hook up then push up to strike when i grab the rod.

If your hooks are sharp enough it shouldn't make a hell of a difference if its 1/2kg or 1kg below strike whether you set hooks or not

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hahaha thanks jeff .. ive

Fri, 2010-05-21 20:46

hahaha thanks jeff .. ive only got a few days trolling left im guessing and id really like to catch one .. ive been trolling oscars and a jr oscar to try avoid the little tuna so im hoping this all payss off :)

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i set mine

Fri, 2010-05-21 20:55

half way between the two for bills.If that makes sense.All i can recommend is sharpen your hooks then when you think you have them sharp do them again.LaughingHave you had any strikes yet?

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ive got the pre riged lures

Fri, 2010-05-21 20:49

ive got the pre riged lures sam and ive touched the hooks up to be sharp as they where pretty blunt before hand .. oh well there is always next time

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how fast are you going ???

Fri, 2010-05-21 20:52

how fast are you going ???

jeff

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between 8 and 10 knots

Fri, 2010-05-21 20:54

between 8 and 10 knots depending on the weather with the little boat ... what speed do you suggest ?

 

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sounds like you are doing it

Fri, 2010-05-21 20:58

well.Where are you trolling?

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last trip out we where on

Fri, 2010-05-21 20:58

last trip out we where on about 9ish ,it took about 2hours before we seen a fish dut once we got 1 we worked the area and afue more pocker there heads up ,watch the tide line and the temperature as you pass them .1 of a deg can make a big bifference

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nice info guys .. today i

Fri, 2010-05-21 21:03

nice info guys .. today i left from bundegi and headed past north west reef to the 70m line then trolled to the islands for a bit of bottom fishing .. im thinking next time i might leave from tanna ramp and head north

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sharp hooks is the key as tony said

Fri, 2010-05-21 21:06

I actually do troll on strike quite often, but when i fished Gamex with an older crew they fished quite light drags then cranked them up and set the hooks hard with the boat going forward all the time. We landed three from four using that technique and really sharp hooks so i guess it is a winner. They literally set the hooks like you do when jigging sambos. I reckon troll speed is a bit dependant on conditions. In rough stuff I reckon 7 is to slow as the lures look lazy, so I tend to sit about 9-10, but on calm days 7-8knots is magic.

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depends

Fri, 2010-05-21 22:49

All depends, we have been trolling between 9-12 knots with oscars and grassys lately and been having a pretty good strike rate.  We vary the length the lures are behind the boat to get the best action, but generally go as fast as we can without the lures skipping whilst still getting a good action.  I set my drags pretty tight (still able to pull of with hand) and just under strike and then move it around depending on what the fish is doing.  As for lures, general rule of thumb is about a 50% hookup/drop rate, so it may not be any kinks in your system, just a bit unlucky. 

The good thing about dropping a few fish before capturing one is that it makes you appreciate that its not easy and increases the satisfaction that much more when you finally land one successfully. (although bloody frustrating in the meantime) You'll know what I mean when you get your next one and your knees are knocking together and your just hoping and praying that the hooks stays connected.

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Being named strike drag

Fri, 2010-05-21 23:15

Being named strike drag you'd think that's what you'd troll at? Though like most things it's mostly personal preference I guess. One disadvantage to fishing light drags happened the other day where we had a marlin take a lure on the 15kg gear and by the time the other 3 lines and teaser it had nearly been spooled (it was biiig). Would have to think that a tighter drag would mean less line out on that case. Also with some fish around structure like trout, more chance of getting them out and also maybe turn their head more? Haven't trolled for trout though.

Though, one tip I've picked up: don't troll strike drag on light outfits if you have plastic rod holders.

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It is named strike drag

Sat, 2010-05-22 06:04

not troll drag.For when you pick up the rod and strike.Laughing

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But when does the fish

Sat, 2010-05-22 06:40

But when does the fish strike the lure? ;)

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strike

Sat, 2010-05-22 18:38

is for when you are ready to strike the fish.Not when the fish strike the lureWink

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We run our drags a fraction

Sat, 2010-05-22 07:38

We run our drags a fraction under strike and all drags checked with scales. too loose and the hook won't set. Razor sharp hooks are a must. Once a fish is hooked and line is running off run the drag at strike. Don't be afraid to go past strike later in the fight.

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Good luck Clint. We ran soft

Sat, 2010-05-22 08:17

Good luck Clint. We ran soft drags and cranked it up to set the hooks when picking the rod up. We hooked 8 fish and only landed 3. Keeping the boat in gear just about right through the fight seemed to help from pulling hooks. It gets a bit frustrating when you drop a good fish but just keep at it, they will come.

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Trolling Drags

Sat, 2010-05-22 09:17

I think it depends on whose school of gamefishing you went to.  Peter Pakula recommends set at 1/3 of breaking strain  and put the rod in the holder.  After hook up and the fish settles go the full (sunset).  Bart Miller (Black Bart lures) or Roddy Hayes (Legend Lures) may well advocate something else.  Light drags are generally used to allow the fish to turn sideways to the boat with minimum drag, once it's sideways increase drag to strike.  Each to there own I guess.

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Hi Clint, I like to run my

Sat, 2010-05-22 10:17

Hi Clint, I like to run my drag just under strike and move it up once the fight begins. Most importantly are the sharp hooks as been mentioned and keeping your boat going forward when you get a hookup. This helps set the hooks and if there are other fish around, you could get a double hook up.

I also troll at not less than 10 knots with these pusher style lures working on the theory most pelagic fish can swim at very high speeds and the faster you are going means the fish has no choice but to strike rather than eyeball the lure. At the higher speeds I still get plenty of strikes.

I actually don't mind if the lure jumps out of the water ocassionally as this just adds extra action to it. 

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nice info guys thanks for

Sat, 2010-05-22 12:14

nice info guys thanks for the input .. BJ im not sure i want a double hookup in the tinnie :)

now to spend the day retouching up the hooks and hope that big marlin is still out there. yesterdays fish will be big enough im thinking .. id guess it was over the 100kg mark by a fair bit

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Hey Feral

Sat, 2010-05-22 18:38

How did it go today?

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i want to get into game fishing

Sun, 2011-10-02 13:46

i want to get into game fishing got the reel for it just need a new rod chasing a wilsons live fibre 15-24 kg 6'6 prefrebly with boat attachment and cap for rod holder

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Lol hahaha

Sun, 2011-10-02 13:55

Lol hahaha