Garratt Rd Bridge - 20/01/13 - Bitter tastes
Thought I would waste yesterday arvo flicking around at Garratt Rd bridge, managed to continually haul in undersized bream but punched out a couple of decent 30cm models. Unfortunately no pictures as I was with the missus and she was more keen on reading her book than taking pictures of fish for me!!
Only downside was watching a family haul out about half a dozen flat head which would have been lucky to be 15cm at best and keeping the lot. When I mentioned to them that they would get in a lot of strife if fisheries pinged them with that sort of catch, not to mention the whole moral issue with taking undersized fish all i was met with was "we are allowed to take them because we are indigenous" which i found a bit funny to say the least, but as there were about 12 of them i wasnt going to force the issue, simply made a call to fisheries who fed me the whole "we dont have anyone in the area but we will see what we can do"
Rather irritating to say the least, then when they saw me return the bream i kept catching they asked if next time they could have them instead of me throwing them back...you can imagine how well that went down!
Didnt bother with SP's or lures, was just casting very lightly weighted prawns into the structure. Was a great little session, nice and relaxing! Just how it should be!!
Jarryd
chris raff
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Contentious but their right
Contentious but their right apparently...traditional fishing rights , also don't think they require a license...
Western Australia955. Fisheries Generally. In 1979 s 56 of the Fisheries Act 1905 (WA) was repealed and a new section substituted which, subject to certain restrictions, allows ‘a person of Aboriginal descent’ to take ‘in any waters and by any means sufficient fish for food for himself and his family, but not for sale’. The Governor may however suspend or restrict this right if he is satisfied that:
(a) the power to take fish conferred by ... this section is being abused; or
(b) the population of any species of fish which is being taken under the power to take fish conferred by ... of this section is becoming or is likely to become excessively depleted ...[1712]
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Sean66
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At least you tried. Well done
At least you tried. Well done to you.
I'm here for a good time, not a long time. Lets go fishing!
Hortzy
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fuk em i say!!
fuk em i say!!
Andy_b
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pharlap
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"We can take them cause we're
"We can take them cause we're Indigenous"
If that's not racist I don't know what is.
breamslayer
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They can at least use
They can at least use traditional gear then, no point if they use any shop bought gear... that isn't traditional fishing...
fishmad69
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I agree with Hortzy well put
I agree with Hortzy well put
keg
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that used to be the case
unless the rules have changed.it was a big issue years ago in the N.T. they would come down to the creeks and throw a cast net in and get baby barra and were allowed to keep them.definately not right but no one in authority wants to tackle the subject.
carnarvonite
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Traditional means
Had a conversation with a fisheries inspector not long back on the subject of traditionl means of fishing. The reason it came about was that I had spotted to chaps using a set net inside closed waters and given him a ring.
He asked what colour were they, aboriginal. He said to forget it because if he booked them it would get thrown out of court as had one of his cases in Hedland years before, the traditional fishing bit mainly comes down to include areas and not methods, ie using a net.
SABRE
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rules
Well said phar lap totaly agree. 2 sets of rules ??
If fishing is a sport I,m an elite athlete
Iceman
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Indigenous Friend
Does that mean that if i take an Indigenous friend out on my boat we can take what ever we like as he does not need a licence and has no catch limit.
Should be one rule for all
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TheJettyRat
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One rule for all.
One rule for all.
dodgy
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It's actually listed in the
It's actually listed in the fisheries rules that they don't have to use traditional methods.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
Faulkner Family
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im not racist but that realy
im not racist but that realy sucks when most try to do the right thing.
thats the govt for you, certainly not right in my books
RUSS and SANDY. A family that fishes together stays together
Outrageous
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Totally wrong.
I respect the right they have certain traditions, but they should have to use there traditional ways.
Can someone tell me how you kill turtles and dugong’s in a power boat with a rifle is traditional.
If they did it in a canoe with a spear – it’s all good and would require a lot of skill.
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Pilbra Dave
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I'm with you Outrageous
Let them take what they want but make them do it the way they did before this Country was Settled
Or maybe I can make a new friend and take what ever I want!!!
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dodgy
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The arguement is that
The arguement is that fishing has evolved over the years by TO's and Whiteys. You can't tell them they can't use modern methods as you hop online and order the latest 3d imaging sounder.
The counter arguement is that if you want the latest tools you can obey the latest rules.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
sea-kem
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I hear you Outrageous. But
I hear you Outrageous. But I'd rather them hunt in the metro area with a handline than be allowed to use a spear if you get my drift...
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Browndog
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Not sure about this one
I've got mixed feelings on this one.
If they were genuinely taking them to feed the family and needed them for sustenance (unlikely) then I have no issue, and I'm not too concerned with how they caught them. (If I needed to feed my family I'd use whatever method I could)
On the other hand, just because they CAN keep undersized fish, doesn't mean they SHOULD. Regardless of the rules they have a moral/ethical obligation, although I'm not sure how well that sits with certain groups?
One other point: Don't forget that we all pinged their ancestors' secret fishing/hunting spots back in 1788, and we know how upset people get with pingers!
BD.
sarcasm0
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are you 225+ years old are you?
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Browndog
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40ish
Hi Sarcasm0, nah, although sometimes I feel it! Relatively new Aussie, only 2nd generation. I think you get my point though. Although I'm not directly responsible for what has happened in the past, I do feel responsible to try and improve things.
BD.
breamslayer
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Mmmmmm, I want some Dugong
Mmmmmm, I want some Dugong for dinner tonight, I better give my aboriginal friend a call and see if we can arrange a time to take the harpoon out
out wide
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Depleted fish stocks
have nothing to do with the Aborigines its us whitey's that have cause this issue.
Just stop and have a think about it. You cant tell me one reason why they should not be able to fish as they do.
Justo82
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This isn't about aborigines
This isn't about aborigines taking all the fish or vice versa. This is about a system put in place to eliminate racism, but all it does is encourage it by having 2 sets of rules for 2 "groups" of people. The same as abstudy and aboriginal welfare. The only way to eliminate racism is to treat everybody equally.
Fishing rules should be the same, no matter what your skin colour. The end of the day we are all a part of the same race, the human race.
WSHN4FSHN
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Fish Stocks??
I don't think anyone is complaining about the traditional rights allowed depleting fish stocks. More about the fact that in this case they were taking grossly undersized fish and appeared as though they couldn't care less about it!! Regardless of the rights that have been given to them, right or not, all fishermen should fish for the future and respect our fishery and each other. Wouldn't you agree?
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Subaquatic
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One good reason
I can tell you one very good reason, and it applys to all other races and people that dont consider themselves Australian...
1. We came, we conquered, we rule this land. Its one land, with one government, and one set of rules.
If you dont like it, take up arms, have a go, and see if you can take it off us.
That aint racism, thats just history.
Daniel Y
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I personally have no problem
I personally have no problem with 'locals' taking as much fish as they want to eat, as long as they use traditional methods.
If they use a rod, line, metal hook, or anything else that 'white man' has brought to the country, then they should have to stick to the same fishing rulse as everyone else.
If they want to carve some spears out of some branches and go spear a few flathead under garret road bridge, they can go for it as far as im concerend.
dbandy16
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obviously these guys take
obviously these guys take their privilages too far.. being aboriginal myself i can honestly say they are the minority of us all..
i have a licence and most my indigenous friends do too. as with everything in life there will always be a few that break the rules
Subaquatic
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onya
Mate, glad to see ya doing the right thing, more blokes like you would make everyone happy!