im hearing your pain mate. i so understand where your coming fro as i posted sometign very simmilar ealry  this year about the same sort of stuf only the guy came from no where pinged the back of my boat the side of my boat and then went and found my anchor and pinged that too. he copped a size 12 weight at his boat. there is ethics. how did you go anyways

Was rude and uncalled for.
Caught some good skippy, black ass and a harli.

www.rockyreefmarine.com.au

To all the virgins..............Thanks for nothing!

on the way in we decided to do a bit of squiding on the southern flats after about 30 mins i noticed that a big 50 or 60 ft boat was getting closer and closer (actualy it was us drifting to him) when he was 10 meters away he shouted "how much water you got there" I told him about a metre and a half when asked where he wanted to go he said "under the bridge" I pointed out the cardinal marker 100 meters away and the fact he needed to go back around that! then he told me "we cant were stuck"!! who the hell can be in charge of a big luxury vessel like that and not be able to read a gps/plotter or even a paper chart he eventualy found deeper water after cutting a trench in the sand for about 50 metres, then when he got under the bridge he headed toward the reef at johns ledge (point peron)
he then noticed the error of his ways and turned to follow the markers out. it looks like this boat was registered in Macau......dear oh dear

To all the virgins..............Thanks for nothing!

Tend to ping other people at anchor ! but always pass at 50-60m and put direction as name ie: 50mS !then when I go back I will sound around at that distance and direction from the mark. Have been drifting before hooked a nice queen snapper and had some old bugger race over and start his drift about where I hooked up! Plenty of ocean ! wanted to do the same line again but just moved on! 

ALWAYS TIME FOR FISHIN' 

Pinged a pearler the other day, tiny little lump in the 30's  that produced,  nothing better than finding your own spots.

Cheers, Al. 

I dont agree with pinging other peoples spots. I personaly think its a bit rude and dont appreciate people doing it to me so wouldnt do it to anyone else.

I went for a quick fish at Hillarys this morning. Got there before dawn and trudghed out to my normal early morning spot. There were 3 guys already there, which wasn't so bad as I had another spot I wanted to try nearby. I had been there about half an hour soaking a whole squid when this guy turns up and decided he wanted to fish in between myself and the other 3 guys. Now this area is probably 20 metres across at most, so there wasn't much room for this guy and his two rods. Anyway, as I said, I had my big rod out with a whole squid on and was just starting to get some interest in my bait when this guy decides to cast his line, weighed down by what looked like a snapper sinker straight across the top of my line. Which he subsequently tangled with his line. Goodbye fish. The worst part was he saw that I was getting a decent bite and where my line was ans till proceeded to cast right across me. I mean, Hillarys is a big marina and there is hundreds of metres of places to fish from, I just couldn;t work out why this guy had to come right into a reasonably crowded spot and just cast his line willy, nilly over the top of everyone.
'(Colin 1 - Co-founding member of the prestigious Colin Club)

then you wouldn't ping cray pots and alike ! When you've only had a boat for a short period of time you take every op to get spots when you can! Especially when your missus is telling you it's a waste of time when you come home with nothing!Like I said I wouldn't go close to the vessel just keep it at a certain distance not to upset them.JUST PASSING BY!!!

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u will find one dumb ass is drifting around then u will see a hole row of boats on that line .waste of time , why dont u turn ur sounder on and find some lumps.most lumps are the size of a car and have sand all around them.u have to look for them if u want fish dont worry about the crowds

cant really see a problem with it either Staaly, not with your method anyway.

Driving around a boat and pinging the anchor is a bit ordinary though, and driving all over the joint around you when your fishing would piss anyone off.

Cheers, Al. 

Just like to say hello to the tosser in the cat red bottom half of hull white top half who decided to drop anchor between me and Rodrat fishing on the 5 fathom off the north end of garden island today, we where only 40 metres apart. Now I will be the first to say we dont own the ocean but to anchor so close to someone else is down right rude if you had been 50 or 60 metres away fine but as it was the fact there was two boats fishing and rodrat had one on was enough to make you think you could just barge in. if your a member here then you know who you are....have a bit of respect for other peoples fishing space

seen this boat up at two rocks the other day getting harassed by the fisheries due to no rego numbers on the side of the boat

This one did have a rego number...dont know how recent though it also had "Johnson outboards" on the side

To all the virgins..............Thanks for nothing!

It sucks when this happens, it also sucks when someone else is fishing near the GPS marks you think you own.......It's a hard one when the ocean is spose to be free.....some people don't believe in common courtsey anymore.

I actualy dont mind people pinging spots I'm on so long as they bugger off as the chances of fish being there on another day is slim but to actualy drop anchor next to you is bollocks!

To all the virgins..............Thanks for nothing!

Cray pots are a bit different!!!. I use cray pots as a guideline as to where the reef is and search around and mark lumps in the area. Where both fishing for different things so theres no conflicked there. Its not like Im dropping cray pots on top of theres. Part of fishing is learning how to find your own spots. Your not the only one who has to start from scratch and fend for them selves.. As for the missus mate they all winge when you dont bring home fish so your no different from every other person on this sight . thats just fishing. It just frustrates me that I spent years and years searching and finding spots for someone to race over ping my spot then probably come back later and clean it out. As I said its not only rude its unethical.

hope to ping a couple of yours LOL

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Had a perfect example of peoples nervousness the other day out from two rocks , two boats  at   the ramp ,our deckie knew the other person and waved , later on we decided to move to our chosen are and the other boat was fishing within a few hundred metres yet both skippers had pride and both never motored over to the other to have a chat in fear the other would think that he was pinging his spots. People pinging spots is very low , well thats my opinion if you want ground do what evryone else has mainly done and spend the time out there and look for it , check out the cray pots , depth contours and reef systems , check published wreck sites but dont be stupid and ping other people . When i am cruising to another mark on my gps and there is a boat anchored or drifting in the way i give it a wide berth around it and keep going dont come up to it and ping the mark as you go past . I think it just comes under common courtesy , in the past I have received and given quite a few good marks to fellow members so they can get their bearings when the south comp was on , thats the end of my rant for today . cheers feral

Have been told a few good areas to work ! up there I don't think I'd need your spots! Metro area a different story ! Every bit of imfo HELPS ! Half the boats are on bugger all anyway ! now have 80 dhuie producing spots anyway

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Great, but if your 80 dhu spots were any good you wouldn't be getting hassled by your missus for coming home fishless. Unless of course the 80 spots are ones you pinged off others and are fished by more boats than just your own.

Plenty of fish up here for you STAALLOVER, I think your all going to do very well.

Regards John

I head a little FURTHER NORTH each year,
Leave the cities behind, out of sight of mind,
.......

but when my nephew bought his boat it had 80 dhuie spots on its gps ! everyone visited so far has done well. But only had that imformation this summer (blowy as it was) and have had my boat for two years. so for the first year my tally was very bleak. Looking forward to getting to most when its not so blowy and I'm not working on the good days!!! So don't need to ping boats anymore it was when I had nothing to go on that I did. And as for the maps tell me how many of your spots are on a contour line !!!

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Some are around contour lines, others are in the middle of no where on supposedly flat ground STAAL LOVER. These are the ones I wouldn't want pinged as there is a good chance not many other guys are fishing them.

Regards John

I head a little FURTHER NORTH each year,
Leave the cities behind, out of sight of mind,
.......

  you need to have a few crappy fish for bait in the box then show them saying how great a spot it is, hehehe.

Pity to see so many people having a complete disregard of other peoples spots or space :( Luckily its not the case with any of the members i've met here

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Always interested in someone to go fishing with

have done many hours driving and drifting and have got some great spots from it. but if a vessel is anchored then why wouldn't I ping it to have a look at a later date!As I've said I would NEVER go so close as to annoy any fisho and certainly wouldn't bother pinging anybody on the drift. When you first get out there it's like looking for a needle in a hay stack, as you all well know, and I just use everything at my disposal to find spots(gps,pots etc). I have given out a few good spots to fishos that have "asked" because I know what its like to have not even a target to work on especially when the pots aren't there!!

Fishing in Bunbury the nephew and I were getting told the only place to fish was the Nat. reef 60 kms out. but we decided to go out to the 30's and try our luck there. We got out and threw our gear out and just drifted. About 2kms into the drift we hit some fish in a patch and came home with more than most. So I definately don't mind doing the time.Being on the ocean is relaxing. Especially when the phone is out of range.

Now a quote from fishy fingers "WE DON'T OWN THE OCEAN"and thats about right ! And if you don't want to get YOUR spot pinged move!!!It may be a little bit of a hassle but if you want to protect that spot so badly you put up with it!!!!

ALWAYS TIME FOR FISHIN' 

Ain't got my back up but like to make sure people get what I'm saying. Typing imfo is no where near as easy as holding the  conversation face to face. When you get your first boat you do what you can to get a feed. I bet half of you have done in the past what you now don't like!!

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Not to mention you can tell the tone a lot easier in person, plus it allows ask for more clarification and discussion of your point.

STAAL, sounds like you arent barging in right next to someone or sneaking a gps oboard someone elses boat or anything rude/sneaky like that

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Always interested in someone to go fishing with

can say ive never pinged anybodys spot and wont ever, have been given spots when out with other fishos but wont ever do the dirty i8ts just lazy and low

Well I can see both sides I guess, it's a bit of a hairy one I spose.

I'm in the market for a decent tub to get me out on a more regular basis and am faced with the newbie syndrome as far as GPS marks go, it's a huge ocean with a lot of barren ground between spots from what I've learnt over here.

Wouldnt mind a few marks with some decent ground in between to try out so I can get started, but pretty sure I'll be doing ok after a short time without them.

Cheers, Allan. 

Technology can be your friend Hobie Bloke. GPS chart plotters with electronic maps and a good quality colour sounder will fast track your search.

John

I head a little FURTHER NORTH each year,
Leave the cities behind, out of sight of mind,
.......

Got a great sounder GPS combo and a top of the range Garmin hand held GPS with Blue chart on it, sounder combo is a H'bird 787c2i with Navionics Gold (updating it to platinum soon)

So I reckon with the real good gear I got and a decent amount of knowledge on how to use it, I'll be marking my own spots that produce anyway.

Looking forward to it all actually.

Cheers, Allan. 

we have spent 400  engine hours or more fishing out from rockingham a lot of those searching for ground .after three and 1/2 years we now have a few reasonable spots thanks to gps and sounder but always looking for more .its verry frustrating at times when you see other boats come in with loads of good fish ,we will get there one day but we go out and keep trying. but enjoy the time out on the water either way."just got to have fun" 

RUSS

"A family that fishes together stays together"

You dont have to geep other peoples spots.

Craypots are your friends. Just mark them and come back when they are gone. They dont put pots on shit ground.

Sound arround the pots and see what they are sitting on.

.
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No Orange Hats Allowed

V8 twin turbo diesel....Ohh what a feeling!

dog act i,ve got my ground took me 13yrs to find some of my spots, almost to the point where u have to go out middle week,long weekends or holidays r out for close in spots,luckily when u get out 20nm u don,t see many pple....... and yup there r fish out there.. put the time in read the maps ,look for the high patches and work it.. i,ve had guys pull up 20 metres away and throw the sea anchor,so we throw sinkers.. have had some mouthy convos ,, cheeky pple don,t give a rat.. i just move now as soon as i see a boat coming.

Dog act or not I thought a forum like this was for helping like minded people out, maybe some of you guys need to lighten up a bit.

Nobody wants your secret spots and perhaps wouldnt try and ping you if you were a little more forth coming with some general info, no one wants your secret spots or anything like that, but what's the big argy bargy bout keeping all a big secret, and so bloody cranky bout it too.

The thing is your fellow forum members could be the ones your treating like crap out there, this to me says there is a certain "purple circle" within this forum and I for one think that really sucks.

Lets see how we go here.

I am just about to buy a new (second hand) boat around 20ft long and havnt lived here very long, where's a few good starting points out off Rocko or Warnbro? these will be my local ramps as I'm moving down there this w/end.

Those I know realise I have a lot to offer any fisho who walks in and says g'day, perhaps a lot more than anyone realises unless they give a little lee way first, it's a vicious circle hey.

Cheers, Al. 

dont get me wrong I'm just saying it how I see it, I thought a while before submitting the post trying not to offend.

I call a spade a spade, been well known for it all my life. 

Name a day! I'll pay fuel and supply ya bait and some grog for afterwards, you'll see what sorta bloke I am OFF the forum

Oh yeah I'll leave my hand held at home, not interested in poaching spots, more interested in just having fun.

Al. 

We got the chill pills out, sweet.

Personally, I won't fish my best spots (with line) this time of year due to it being way to populated with people going past. I made the mistake early in the tourist season with two guys pinging me, I won't go back to this spot and a couple of the others nearby until town clears out again.  It has unquantifiable amounts of fish that I would hate to see get hammered.

There's gotta be a limit on where the information stops. Finding your own fish is half the fun IMO.

Look fellas I'm not after charity at all, I've lived in more different places than I care to remember and have always learnt to adapt without the internet and local knowledge, it never took long before people started asking me where I "caught that" been a 10% all my life.

I join forums to have fun, and talk about the sh!t I enjoy most, seen a quote the other day on here about someone who "eats, breaths n sh!ts fish" well that's me down to a tee.

Marks arent important to me, but you guys could help me save some fuel money by giving "general areas" but I kinda dont need em now cuz STAALRUTAR just pm'd me about 20 of his Dhuie marks to get me going, he's met me and knows I'm fair dinkum bout it all.

Al. 

Nice work ya c#^t HAHAHAHA 

Al. 

The last 6 months has been a blast for me and my mates that I take out. No PINGING has been done since I got a few spots and very little of them came from pinging other vessels, maybe two which happened to have pots on them when the crays returned. And would never even slow to look around just a ping from a distance(checked my gps and the closest was 150m)and wouldn't return even that day. So it really only gave me a general area anyway. They could have been on a pinnacle and the chances of finding that was very slim. My Lowrance black and white wasn't helping to much so as I said any help would do. As for passing on gps spots I have no problem even with my best as noone I know would hammer it anyway and is very handy to know from one week to another whats on it! Building quite a good idea of where and when the fish move because I'm not having to get there to know.

So once again SORRY if I offended anybody AGAIN!!!!

And hope I'm not going to get hammered by you lot when I get to Onslow (cause I'm up there for fun just as you are). Let me know now and I can make the missus happy I'm down here looking for a job!

And have sourced some knoledge on the areas to fish Onslow so if we run into each other I'M NOT PINGING YOU!!!LOL

ALWAYS TIME FOR FISHIN' 

If you dont go up north and wanna fish, lemme know!! good laughs, good yarns, fish were a bonus.

Had a look at a boat today, nice rig in my price range and having a test fish on sunday morning, might be a bit drier than yours on those windy days.

If the donk is good it's mine.

Al. 

Jeez, why all the upset folks. People will have different views that can be expressed and exchanged in postive, constructive and calm way. Let's leave the personal attacks and abuse out of it.

My spin on the issue?

1) Agree with NOHA, when I was in Perth, I'd waypoint around found cray pot spots, then go back off season.

2) I'm more than happy to share general information on areas to scout around, but I won't share hard won (found) spots. Happy to give the general area. The other issue here is sustainablity of a spot. We don't constantly go back to a spot, preferring to cycle them with other spots. Besides, it's good to investigate and find new spots and try them out. Some guys I know will find (be given) a spot and hammer it to death.

3) Personally, I wouldn't ping other people's spots and don't go boat fishing around peak times down here for the same reason Adam mentioned. Besides, the main Albany ramp (Emu Point) is chaos LOL.

4) When bottom fishing, I won't fish 'on top' of anyone else and don't like it when someone does it to me - it's a big ocean out there. Unless I'm budying up with another boat, I like to be out there with peace and solitude. Palegic fishing can be different, if casting into a feeding school, it can be an advantage to have another boat around for various reasons. Providing they don't WOT through the school.

Colin Molloy

(Colin 2 - Co-founding member of the prestigious Colin Club)

He was out fishing one of his spots by himself,and this boat full of young lads pulled up and siad what r you doing fishing our spot and got quite abusive,he asked them to wait a momement as he removed his double barrel shotgun from the cabin and said do you want it in the hull or in the head,they all went quite as the throttle hit flat stick and half of them nearly fell out the back. still laugh about this story as this topic made me laugh again.

Ps: Now i carry my own ping ping in the cabin good for 300 mtrs in the head or the hull.LoL!!

(1) I agree FF, not ethical at all and ppl just cant help themselves these days and that sh!ts me.....go do your own homework FFSake!

(2) Coming "close" or "diverting" to a boat that's fishing and pinging them isn't ethical at all and when ppl do that i think they have no morals and often if that was reversed they'd go off.....contradicting!

(3) On anchor works well but your a sitting duck and that's why i do bugger all of that......i did it once recently and yeh got pinged straight away but lucky it was a crap spot that we were testing only...haha!

(4) When i drift which is my prefered i always look around and have my crew do the same, as soon as i/we hear or see i'm out of there and then i play mind games and put them on sand and they learn how to blow bait & time......i've got plenty of time to waist on ppl that do that sh!t!

(5) Basically ppl cant help themselves and yes it's a big ocean but they'd rather share it with you/spoon feed!

* Oceanside- Advice, Knowledge, Experience....that's our difference *

Owner/Operator "Oceanside Tackle & Marine"
364 South Street, O'Connor, Perth Ph# 9337 5682

Not having a boat, its a little hard to have a fully formed opinion on all this (all I know is drifting in really close is not on). What are peoples opinions of marking off on gps as they go roughly near a boat without swinging past to get the exact spot? I.e. you're a couple of hundred meters off say and just mark the area to have a look around later? Is it the same as pinging the exact spot?

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Always interested in someone to go fishing with

Being a new boat owner myself i know the frustration of trying to find good ground. Like noha said, cray pots are your friends. They are on good ground and are worth trying later when the pots are gone. Other than that it is just a matter of using your sounder and looking. It can be hard and i have had many days of catching bugger all. Recently i have found a couple of spots and they produce fairly well. But i am still looking every time im out there.

www.rockyreefmarine.com.au

I fish alot and on more than one occation we have traveled 20km out to a spot only to find someone is already there (within 50m)! then you start getting looks and carry on that you are stealing THEIR spot, even though you have fished that spot plenty of times.

Just maybe some of these people that come within sinker range (or shotgun haha) are just going to a spot they already have on them.

Perhaps even the person who anchored so close to fishy fingers had a plan and was heading to a spot he wanted to go!

What happens if you are heading to YOUR spot only to find someone on THEIR spot? do you not fish there? change what you had in mind so you dont upset some one else or appear asthou you are some sort or scurvy Pirate!

What about every year when countless herds of boats in search or (breading schools of snapper)head to places like the D9 or Harding rock and throw in the anchor 20m from another boat?

Im not saying this is what happened fishy fingers its just a thought

rant over

Major

i've got no problem with that as it's not an exact ping and you have to then work at finding the spot to a certain degree. The fact that its not shoved in front of your face that makes it ok imo!

* Oceanside- Advice, Knowledge, Experience....that's our difference *

Owner/Operator "Oceanside Tackle & Marine"
364 South Street, O'Connor, Perth Ph# 9337 5682

More like a story

some good points but.

That happened to us during a comp the other boat was about 200mtrs away when we pulled up to our fishing spot, did not think much of it untill over the radio this club member said to his mate got to move the vultures have taken over my drift . Now i did not say anything but i tell you i got my back up . It is this kind of mentality that causes problems too and agressions .   

No One owns the sea ,why cant we just all get along as one big happy fishing family  as we all love the sport and are individual with different opinions but the sport we love is still the same .

RUSSes wify Sandy 

"A family that fishes together stays together"

Im getting a canon bolted to the roof,300mm shells any ping ping dont worry about the head or the hull the whole lots going, just got a price off tenix they just scrapped a Anzac class.Lol!!!!

Is that what happened to the boat in your picture ? 300 mm mounted to far forward!!

ALWAYS TIME FOR FISHIN' 

300mm Canon? jezus that's a big camera

Come in for the ping ping that was just the 10 shot not the head just the hull

It's sad that we can't be friendly on the water and stop by to say "Hello - how's the fishing been?"

I was South of Rotto once and was heading out to a spot just west of the containers and there was another boat there, so not thinking I went over to say "Hello" (just like I would back in Malaysian waters where I used to fish alot).  The other boater was not happy to see me and it showed.  

I didn't ping the spot, cause I already had it, guess he didn't know that, but still I find it sad.

When I lived in Hawaii and when we were waaayyy out there and saw another boat, the natural thing was to head over for a chat and say "Hows it brah (bro)?" and to see if he was ok.  Have since found out that the caring spirit is treated with much suspicion here.

1985 Boston Whaler Outrage 18 Johnson 140hp 4stroke

If ya need help!!!!

ALWAYS TIME FOR FISHIN' 

Craypots are the go if you're looking for ground...best to ping the grouped up ones as opposed to the ones run off in "lines". No ethical issues there, IMO, when you consider all the finfish crayfishermen have caught commercially over the years as a supplement to their main source of income.

Back to getting your spots pinged...wonder how many times it happens without you even knowing it? Bigger boats that have radar interfaced with their GPS could zap you without you even seeing them, and you'd be none the wiser.

To all the virgins..............Thanks for nothing!

Happened to us not long ago, some prick pinged the spot we were on just as we were about to move. So as we move upto our next spot he was fishing on it and we decided to hell with him we'll drift it aswell.

He didn't like it one bit.

Wait until the new DSC radio's become compulsary you wont have to go near them

just call them up and let the NMEA connection to your GPS do the work for you!!!!

Unfortunately this could lead to Radio's being left off!!

Don,t follow me I'm lost too!!!

Have talked to a couple of people who have fished it. And also getting the number of a charter boat skipper out of Onslow for some imfo and hopefully his jetty as they won't be there all week! So if I do get some good juicy imfo I'LL share it!  Don't have a problem with that! It ain't my ocean!!

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I dont approach ppl on the water at all unless they're a good mate as i dont "want them to think i'm doing the wrong thing or pinging". I saw Jason (Diji) out squiding recently and said hello but if i saw Jason out deep water or where ever i wouldn't approach him.....just my ethics and i'd assume thats what other floating boats would want & respect!

* Oceanside- Advice, Knowledge, Experience....that's our difference *

Owner/Operator "Oceanside Tackle & Marine"
364 South Street, O'Connor, Perth Ph# 9337 5682

How many people ping cray pots???? Lots

How many good spots were found by pinging pots....lots.......

lots of people do it so law of averages would say that chances are there will be times when someone will have the same "secret spot".

Hey Ryan - Sorry I pulled up to ask you I you saw the Furuno FAD the other day.

Have to say though - the thought of pinging the spot never even crossed my mind. 

1985 Boston Whaler Outrage 18 Johnson 140hp 4stroke

There's no probs Alfred, it happens a lot and i'm sure many times are genuine when i've been approached. For me, i like having my space on the water and if i see someone fishing an area that i work i normally leave for another spot for that reason.

It's a BIG ocean and nice to float alone, that's what i enjoy!

* Oceanside- Advice, Knowledge, Experience....that's our difference *

Owner/Operator "Oceanside Tackle & Marine"
364 South Street, O'Connor, Perth Ph# 9337 5682