Kailis Brothers Prawns?
Submitted by Adam Gallash on Sun, 2016-10-30 19:45
Bought these the other day and didnt think twice until reading the back at home. Not sure if this has always been the way or new since being bought out?
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Rob H
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Plenty on Farcebook about
Plenty on Farcebook about them.
I know where there are much nicer prawns
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Tim
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Pack
Need to check the pack. I get the garlic prawns sometimes and they are wild caught Australian prawns.
Others products of theirs have been from parts of Asia like these.
I check any fish product for origin before buying it. The missus bought some prawns from Woolies the other week and they tasted like crap. They were another product of asia.
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if you ever saw
if you have ever seen the prawn farms in thailand you would never buy prawns from Thailand and i say that as a bloke with a thai wife she wont eat prawns from there
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Prawns from Vietnam
I have personally seen a few prawn farms in Vietnam. The ponds "looked" quite clean and there were no signs of run offs from any industrial sites. However, when asked what the farmers fed the prawns, no-one wanted to be specific...
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crickey mate
i have seen plenty of prawn farms in thailand , once you head out to the villages hygene drops of sharply but thats where you will find most of the prawn farms , i wont say what they are fed on you would feel sick if you knew
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Mate was down at the tip in
Mate was down at the tip in Exmouth many years ago when he came across a semi truck load of empty prawn boxes from Vietnam. These prawns probably ended up in a brand new caught in Exmouth box and sold down south at a locally caught price. At least they are now admitting where they come from. Yep those Asian Exmouth prawns aren't to bad. LOL
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I guess this is how part of
I guess this is how part of the free trade agreements work. Produce from anywhere on the planet if it's cheap enough.
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Only buy Aussie prawns from the fish shack
Part of WA Seafood Exporters......guaranteed wild caught Aussie, and yes you can taste the difference....Kailis not even Aussie owned anymore. Buy Australian !
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i do agee
dont agree with you on much but will agree on this
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There are several Kailis
There are several Kailis businesses, unrelated.
MG Kailis, Exmouth
Kailis Brothers (the mob above)
Kailis and france (toothfish etc)
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Would never eat them
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Peeled Aussie Prawns
The owner of Direct Seafoods O'Connor told me misses that 99% of peeled Aussie Prawns for sale have been frozen & sent overseas (Thailand or Vietnam) for peeling then refrozen and sent back to Oz.
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Fisheries mate of mine has
Fisheries mate of mine has been to vietnam to look at the commercial side of prawn farming, came back with a few stories on their practices, but of more concern was the high density stocking and use of antibiotics because of a wide variety of pollution, waste water etc.
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I'd be concerned if dinner
I'd be concerned if dinner waa cheaper than the bait fridge prawns
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I sometimes buy my bait from
I sometimes buy my bait from the supermarket fish shelves instead of bait freezers. Baby occy, prawns and squid are generally cheaper.
I only buy shell on tiger prawns to eat as they would be either carnarvon or exmouth. Fisho van at servo near singleton sells good quality.
I would doubt that any reputable business would risk rebranding imported prawns as being local. Massive public backlash. Reckon 99% of peeled prawns are imported though but boxes are marked.
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Has it always been like this?
Has KB always done this or is it just new being bought out?
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Not sure if they've always
Not sure if they've always imported product but they sold a 90% shareholding to the Chinese earlier in the year
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-31/wa-seafood-kailis-bros-sells-to-chinese-legend-holdings/7287860
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Practice
Now that Kailis and Norwest Seafoods have shut their factories in Exmouth and Carnarvon all their prawns get sent overseas for processing ,thawed and peeled then refrozen then sent back to Oz.
So one should seriously consider not buying them as being thawed once then refrozen leaves you open to all sorts of diseases
Was a case not long ago where a bloke sued Kailis and Coles for exactly the same thing as happened here
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Correia Seafoods
Think they are still next to the endeavour shed on mews road and operate in shark bay. Can usually get ungraded kings for about $15/kg but have to buy 5kg at a time.
Failing that Larners oyster supply usually has prawns at a reasonable price.
I am always wary of what fishmongers market seafood as and where it is from particularly after working in the fishing industry.
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Serves you right being such a
Serves you right being such a tight arse Adam. Waiting till they down from 8 bucks to a buck 60 what do you expect ;-)
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On that massive salary he's
On that massive salary he's on as well!
No it hasnt always been that way though, Kailis was always quality local produce.
Kind of sad for the legacy of the father.
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Lol
Bit rich coming from you. Prawns and oysters for brekkie on the Searcher, better be some left for us today... I heard that you over indulged so much you had to go for a visit to the quacks the other day!
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Ha, used to be only Aus/NZ
Ha, used to be only Aus/NZ seafood but lots of Viet shit there now.
Slipway were raiding the freezers as I left for the airport 2 hrs ago!
More redundancies, will be only 4 from 37 left in a couple of weeks...
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Black Tigers
Hopefully if SFG get up and running here in Kununurra we may see some of their seconds hit the local market.
I have eaten Darwin black tigers fresh some years ago, and they were the best i have tasted. Living where i do we don't get a lot of choice, but the raw black tigers are always a winner for me.
Never eat peeled or cooked prawns from the shops as who knows what you are getting.
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Black tiger prawns are
Black tiger prawns are leader prawns. Farmed.
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Are you saying all leader
Are you saying all leader prawns are farmed?
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Worked on trawlers for few
Worked on trawlers for few years Top End, Gulf of Carpentaria Exmouth and wed never get them in commercial quantities.
Did not knoe of any other boats getting loads either.
Youd get the odd few but mainly get the odd monster female that be as big as a sized cray just about!
The "Black Tiger" or Leader prawn is apparently good for aqualculture for whatever reason.
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I went to a buck's show in
I went to a buck's show in 2006 hosted by the owner of a well known large local seafood retailer not mentioned above who brought out buckets full of chinese prawns for all the boys.
You don't look a gift horse in the mouth but it wasn't the best advertisment for his company.
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Hmm I've got an idea who you
Hmm I've got an idea who you might be talking about.
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News article
Was having a look at Perth Now last night and happened to find this;
Kailis Bros frozen fish in hot waterWA seafood brand Kailis Bros has amended its packaging over concerns customers were refreezing fish they wrongly believed to be fresh.
The Canning Vale-based business was the subject of a social media storm this week after a Perth dad accused it of failing to clearly label if a product was previously frozen.
The father said he froze the crumbed whiting at home because there was nothing on the packet to suggest it had already been thawed.
But he claimed his young son became ill hours after the fish was defrosted and cooked.
Packaging he posted on Facebook shows the fish is described as “hand selected for quality and freshness”.
On the back, it states the fish was “packed in Australia with whiting from Vietnam” and advises it be “refrigerated below 5C”. There is no mention of the fish having been frozen and thawed.
A Kailis Bros spokesman said: “Although the label met the Australian compliance standards there was some ambiguity which could result in consumers storing the product in a way that was never intended.
“As a result we moved to immediately change the label on that product to make it clearer that it should not be frozen by the consumer and to review labels on our other products.”
A check of Kailis Bros products at a Woolworths supermarket in the CBD yesterday showed crumbed prawns now state: “Packed in Australia with prawns imported from Vietnam. Thaw back product, not suitable for freezing.”
The same product at a nearby Coles did not carry the warning.
In December, Kailis was fined $10,800 over packaging of “just caught prawn meat”.
The ACCC ruled the product “gave the misleading impression that it was packed and processed in Australia”. Fine print showed the prawns were packed in Thailand.
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Time
If the original poster thought they could buy Vietnamese whiting that had travelled all the way to Aus to then be crumbed and packed in Aus and distributed to supermarkets and left on their shelves for however many days and it still be 'fresh' and suitable for freezing then he's a twit.
Obviously just looking for someone to blame because he bought putrid fish to feed to his kid knowing the issues that could arise. Kailis is a brand name only now and no-one should think it is anything different to what you can buy in the freezer section. In fact you'd be better off buying from the freezer section.
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kallis
I often go to Fremantle and go to kallis and have prawns and octopus yum
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Why on earth do we need to
Why on earth do we need to buy Vietnamese whiting?
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Because all the yellow fin whiting in mandurah have been caught
There are not sufficient stocks left in Mandurah estuary system to make it worth while fishing for.
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Most "local" whiting is
Most "local" whiting is Shark Bay not Mandurah Id say
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Well like our gas, maybe we
Well like our gas, maybe we should stop exporting so much to ensure we have sufficient supply to meet the local requirement...
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percentage
Does anyone know the percentage of wild fish caught that goes domestic v export,Who in the world can afford Australian fish.I had fish at Torinos Nth Beach and it was Shark bay Mackeral.I regularly buy shark bay mullet so my heart keeps pumping
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looked up
I looked it up myself. Wild fish exported next to zero They cant afford our stuff.We export crayfish and Abalone and them big ass bluefin tuna like wicked tuna that are line caught in the southern ocean.Recreational impact zero.If you want to put your 6.5m in at Albany and go 100kms south to catch tuna can I watch cos you probably wont be coming back.66% of seafood consumed in Australia comes from Asia the bulk being marketed as basa which is a freshwater catfish with little fishiness which a lot of people like.All our canned tuna is from Thailand which supplies 50%of the worlds canned tuna which is skipjack tuna and only good for canning.farmed fish get exported like atlantic salmon but we get the bulk of that too and they aint native to Australia.I get the imported vietnamese prawns and dont mind them at all.Our health dept is all over this imported stuff and if it doesnt make human consumption they will ban it and the villagers depend on our business.After seafood is sold the control of product has gone if people leave stuff thawed out in the sink for too long who is responsible,I will buy fresh fish fillets to use straight away but prefer frozen packaged stuff like Barramundi and Spanish Mackeral that I am not likely to catch at the beach.I would need evidence that we net prawns freeze them then send them some where for peeling and freezing NW seafoods are going strong and still run a big fleet of prawn boats unless it closed last week.The factory at babbage Island still sells direct to the public and sends its product All over the state.
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couple of points
Duncan, have to correct you on a couple of points
"them big ass bluefin tuna like wicked tuna that are line caught" are mostly purse seined and then farmed
You certainly do not need need to go "100km south to get them"
"Our health dept is all over this imported stuff"-better read this
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-16/white-spot-virus-spreads-into-wild-prawns-moreton-bay-brisbane/8359212
White spot disease from imported prawns has almost wiped out prawn farms in parts of Queensland and has now spread to the wild prawns in Morton Bay
Basa, a lot of people like because its cheap. Its not a bad tasting fish, but I wouldnt knowingly eat it.
Austrakian prawns are sent to Vietnam for processing, we have had boxes at work clearly marked as such.
Interestingly, sometimes they are wild caught prawns and sometimes the farmed claytons prawns, theres a very different and obvious flavour in wild caught.
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Closed Factories
Kailis shut their processing plant about 4? years back and started freezing the catch at sea and sending it overseas for processing with NW Seafoods doing the same two seasons back. NW had always frozen the catch at sea coming in to unload once or twice a month between moons and then partially thawing it to process it ashore unlike the Exmouth boats that would return to port each morning and unload daily
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exporting
I am greatfull for this topic as I had never considered how our commercial fishing was done but after reading the truth I have learned something usefull.I feel as recreational anglers we should strive to find the middle ground on voliatile subjects like rec v pro and seek the truth
.The crayfishing is better now than it was before
.Cockburn sound has more fish than it did before
.Recreational anglers care more for fish stocks than any one else
.We have a very well managed sustainable fishery
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duncan61
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Feedback
Thank you.Things change and the years go by.I saw a tuna boat in fremantle that had been longlining recently.Not sure who it was fishing for.I am aware of the netting/farming operation in Port lincoln S.A. But doubt they would need to come all the way to W.A.They mostly go to japan for sashimi I caught my first 1m plus mulloway at the prawning jetty babbage Island 20 years ago and yes it has fell to pieces and it has been a long time since the outlet pumped but damn it was good there in its day.I still fish it in my tinny when I am in town.My Avatar is from South Carnarvon .My mate scored a whole box of prawns of a trawler the other day and I see the trawlers working so I knew they were still operational.How good is the Crab shack.It was the comment that we export all our fish that got me a bit riled up and I could not figure who could afford to pay $40-$60AUD a kilo then get it freighted.Thanks for the feedback
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Rob H
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WA isnt just Perth, the tuna
WA isnt just Perth, the tuna are netted in the Bight, half WA half SA.
The boats in Freo now are the Ocean Wild and the Taisei Maru, they work way out in the mid Indian Ocean mostly now and belong to Ray Davies
At one time there was 25 boats doing it, but mainly the industry was killed off by the rising $AU
The reason longliners work so far out, is because the fishing method requires deep water, over about 500 meters.
When hooks snag the bottom, the gear is destroyed.
When your talking export, Im not sure now if you refer to exporting from WA or AU?
$40-$60 is retail price, boats get maybe $10kg whole depending on species
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information
This is good information.The boat I seen had all the floats and lines and must of been one of them.The catch was on the deck and was mainly big tuna.
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About this time each year in
About this time each year in SA the Tuna start heading past, Pt Macdonell is now very well renowned as is Portland Vic because the shelf comes in pretty close there.
I lost my job as a farm hand way back in the day because i chose Tuna over beef, one of the most memorable days fishing i've ever had casting cd14's with drags locked to schools passing under the boat, straightening hooks etc... Those fish that year ( Albacore and Southern Blues were about the 20-30kg range...
Each year the Blues change but they are getting some absolute mosters down there at times now, pushing 200kgs!!
A mate runs a charter down there and catches as many as anyone, he took 4 fellas out last year and they hooked up at 8 in the morning and lost the fish about 12 hours later, he doesn't let on much but he said it was much much bigger than he'd landed before...
Imagine that, all fucking day on a charter playing one fish to loose it in the dark 12 hours later!!
Google monster blue fin Pt Macdonnell and you'll see some good stories, I trieed to copy paste a link but it wouldn't work for some reason....
Sorry for hijacking this thread i got carried away with old memories............
Unfortunately for the rest of the world fish farming is the future, I hope we get our shit sorted and sort out our precious resources and keep them here!!!
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