Marine Safety - Radio's
Hi guys,
Quick question - excuse my stupidity, i don't have a lot of knowledge about radio's. I have tried to google this and couldn't really find the answer.
The Marine Safety site advises:
"A marine radio must be carried if operating more than 5 miles from the mainland shore or more than 1 mile from an island located more than 5 miles from the mainland shore. The radio can be 27 MHz, VHF or HF. "
It doesn't list UHF as an acceptable radio. Im guessing this is because UHF is too high a frequency and as such has a shorter range which isn't acceptable for boating?
To provide some context, I have all required marine safety equipment for my 4mtr tinny except for a radio. I am looking to buy a handheld radio so I can venture out to the five fathom when weather permits. Most of the UHF units come in pairs which would also be handy for camping etc. However the VHF models seem to only come with one hand held so it would probably just stay on the tinny.
carnarvonite
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UHF
Uhf radios are not certified as a marine radio and you will get pinged if they check your boat and expect a fine worth about the cost of a Vhf radio. This is because they are not monitored by the rescue groups and your distress signal will not be received if you send one out and again you won't be able to contact any other boats in your vicinity.
In time you will find that the sea rescue groups will not monitor 27 meg marine radios and will mainly work on Vhf and Hf , Vhf for the better range and clarity and Hf as the boats get bigger and venture further to sea and out of Vhf range.
Buz
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27mhz is basically UHF in its
27mhz is basically UHF in its function, behaviour and range.
If you want a handheld for marine purposes get yourself a waterproof VHF. I would get one even going 500m offshore in the ocean. Even though mobile phones can work in some places withing 5 miles, they dont work if they get dunked.
Plus i dont know if there are handheld 27mhz radios and the Sea Rescue mobs i think dont monitor CB UHF???
carnarvonite
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UHF
We have Uhf in our 2 boats and radio room but they are only there if we have a situation up Quobba way where we may have to contact someone onshore. Other than then they don't get turned on because of all the garbage that comes through creating a distraction from doing what we are there for.
Brucesta
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27mhz is nothing like UHF
27mhz is nothing like UHF mate i don't know where you got that from especially in it's behaviour and range. 27MHz is a AM transmission due to the bandwidth of the channel, somewhere around 9khz total channel spacing and operates in the HF spectrum and can have very good range but poor quality (think about the difference in quality from listen to 6PR to say 96.1FM - this is the difference between 27Mhz and VHF). UHF in in the 300Mhz to 3Ghz but for the ease of it all we are talking 476MHz, it's a FM transmission that used to be a 25khz channel but now reduced to 12.5khz due to to needing more space in the RF spectrum but the older ones still use the 25khz spacing and has much clearer audio but 30km max range LOS.
Lets keep this simple and future proof. All boaties in a few eyars time will require a VHF radio to be carried in the parameters listed above. you technically need a radio operators proficiency licence to operate one but this is in the process of being scrapped. many companies do VHF handheld radios and is a worth while option but if you have a battery onboard for echo sounder etc then just mount a fixed unit and get better range due to the antenna you can mount and the fact you can switch to 25W
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Buz
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Sorry mate, i am not a radio
Sorry mate, i am not a radio technical master like you are. I was merely stating that for his info having UHF would be simliar in how it would be used as 27mhz
ie. having a UHF handheld on the water isnt going to be great for range or quality(over a long distance), not to mention it not meeting the safety regs.
Francis
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Cheers blokes. Will look into
Cheers blokes.
Will look into getting the VHF... looking at this little unit:
http://www.gme.net.au/products/radio-communications/vhf-handhelds/GX620
Certainly don't mind paying a few $$$ extra to ensure safety...
Will also have a chat to a boat electrician as I currently have a small battery that powers my echo sounder and bilge pump. I have a handheld GPS unit so I would imagine the battery would have plenty of capacity to host a radio... just need to get it confirmed.
fisherking
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I use the 620 mate. Simple,
I use the 620 mate.
Simple, straight forward.
Just keep it charging at home, in the base unit & remember to take it with you when you go out in the boat.
Easy.
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till
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Forget handhelds then, the
Forget handhelds then, the have small antennas :. smaller range
kmo
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Mains charger
When you get the GME radio don't forget to check if you get the 240V charger with it as well, it doesn't come standard.
sunshine
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With respect to the other posters on this subject
HF covers the band 3Mhz to 30Mhz and therefore includes 27meg
Can be both noisy and unreliable BUT and in remote Australia it remains a huge BUT - this band is capable and frequently does provide through tropospheric and ionospheric "skip" coverage meaning that the signals are capable of being picked up all over Australia depending upon sunspot activity which ionises the ionosphere causing the signals even at low power to literally travel around the world ..........as an ex-ham If I was boating in a remote area of Australia I would certainly carry 27Mhz radio on my boat
VHF provides more reliable relatively short range communication and this is often enhanced with the use of repeater stations generally in Australia 156 and 157 Mhz - great coverage in metro and regional centres sea rescue groups
UHF is generally line of sight and provides crystal clear noise free communication short range
Hope I have remembered all my radio theory - it was years and years ago
Paul H
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Sunshine is pretty spot on.I
Sunshine is pretty spot on.
I have a UHF and 27meg on my boat presently - looking at also putting in a VHF.
I use the UHF as a backup as in an emergency it is possible I may be able to raise a local farmer or someone on land. Some of the places I fish are not monitered (VHF) and not always other boats around (and I'm not relying on them having thier radio switched on either).
I also use the UHF to speak with another mate on his boat who also has UHF aboard (and other boats with 27meg/VHF can't hear us saying come here I'm on the mother load). He also has a UHF in his 4WD and uses it when lauching/retreiving to speak to the driver in the car. as they're are backing down etc.
UHF is capable of long distances under certain conditions but I wouldn't put my life on anything further than line of sight. I remember coming across a remote car accident on one occasion - couldn't raise anyone (not even a truckie on 40) on the UHF we had in the car but two nights later was speaking to someone in the USA
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Starbug
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I would seriously consider a
I would seriously consider a fullsize marine VHF tranciever, If you are venturing out to the FFB.
Handhelds are OK for short range comms, and if you look at the maufactures web site thats what this unit is recomended for.
Hand held cons
Poor antenna system.
3w output compared to 25w for a normal marine radio
Batteries tend to fail from being left in chargers for extended periods.
For about the same price you could purchace a full size radio and antenna that would have about 5 times the range.
Commando_B28
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A handheld VHF will be ample
A handheld VHF will be ample for what you want to do.
I've often had my backup handheld VHF receive communication clearer than the fixed unit on the boat, even at ranges over 25NM.
The flexibility of being able to take it with you in an emergency situation if you needed to abandon ship (and use it!) or just on a mates boat is a big plus.
-Dave