Overheads vs Spinning reels for jigging and bottom bashing

Hi all was wondering what the Pros and cons are of each Overheads and Spinning reels for both Jigging and Bottom bashing.

What characteristics set them apart to determine how well they perform with both styles of fishing?

And what rod would would make a versatile Spin stick for both jigging and bouncing.

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This could get to a debate

Wed, 2007-03-21 10:06

This could get to a debate that could go on and on! Ill put it down to personal prefferences. There is a surperb range of both the spinning and overhead reels on the market, including vanstall, dawia saltist and saltiga, shimano torsas and stellas. I personally prefer and find overheads easier to use but then again after using a stella they are unreal! For bottom bashing i defently suggest an overhead and for jigging i beleive both have there merrits! (personal prefernce again). As for the rod for both i tryed to get the same to cut down on money along time ago but found that separte combos are needed and i have now got 4 different bottom bouncing combos and soon to invest in another jigging rod which will make it 2. I suggest to go for the one you will be using the most and stick to that or you might just be disapointed with what you end up with. As for character differences between the two (reels) idealy the reality is they both need to be conforatable to use and suit the work it will be doing. HEAD DOWN TO OCEANSIDE AND THEY WILL HELP YUO OUT WITH EVREYTHING YOU REQUIRE IF YOUR IN THE METRO AREA.

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Getting plenty of plugs

Wed, 2007-03-21 10:26

Getting plenty of plugs boys! i may have to venture in one day when im in perth to see what all the fuss is about?

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Yeah Yeah

Wed, 2007-03-21 10:50

No offence but after as much info as possible all round from everyone that uses both types of reels to help build up some informative information before I buy something at a tackle store. As good as I am sure Oceanside are, from all the plugging they get I dont want to go in there and then feel like a pr*ck for not buying something from them after all the effort they would go to. Trying to do some homework first.
As it is I am hearing good stuff about the jigmaster rods not just from hear but have just read some stuff on a US forum. Before I read it I thought some of the comments were a bit biased due to the connections people have with oceanside.This is the link on Jigging Mater 500 rod I am assuming they are the same sort of Jigging Master blanks that ocean side use.

http://www.360tuna.com/showthread.php?t=79

Now all I need is unbiased opinions on the spinning and overhead reels.

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Last week was an example

Wed, 2007-03-21 11:37

Jimbo, I am a big advocate of overheads for bottom bouncing for one solitary reason. That is that you are connected to the terminal gear even when you are dropping back down to hold bottom. Last week after I had entered the "Dropzone" (cue weird psychadelic music) and had to retire my overhead for the day, my hook up rate deminished very quickly as I needed to open the bail arm and close it manually every time I needed to let some line out to an inquisitive fish. The fumbling around with bail arms is nowhere near as effective as flicking a lever to freespool and feathering the line out with your thumb. Nothing comes close to an overhead for that degree of control.

Spinning gear holds its own when requiring high speed retrieval such as with jigging and also is a damn sight easier to cast to pelagics on the surface. I generally take out a baitrunner reel for a floater so that the fish can take the bait and swim away before locking up on it (without having to adjust the drag). That baitrunner doubles as my jigging reel at times (very very seldom however do I jigg so it makes sense to me at the moment).

Hope that gives another perspective.

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One more thing

Wed, 2007-03-21 11:57

Jimbo,

Don't go getting a super heavy outfit for bottom bouncing in metro Perth, it just isn't worth the pain (imho). Fish as light as you can for the depths that you intend to fish. Have a look at some of the smaller overheads if you only intend on fishing up to the 100m mark, they will be just as effective and far less physically draining as lumbering a big heavy outfit all day and only catching 2 and 3 kilo fish most of the time. If we can't stop a 20kg fish on 30lb and a light 10 - 15kg rod, we are doing something wrong. If there are unstoppables then maybe bring out the big guns, but for 95% of all metro bottom bouncing fish the lighter stuff is all you need. Tapout was connected to one of our unstoppables for a whopping 14 minutes on very very light gear, so anything is possible (and more fun too).

I use a Penn 321 leftie or an Okuma Convector on an Ugly Stick for most of my fishing and have a few spares that are in the same class. The 330 Penn is too heavy for my liking and really only gives you a bit of extra line capacity (not something that comes into the equation unless you are looking to troll with it and hook a YFT or something. I also have the big heavy stand up gear but very rarely fish with it. (Next week it might get a run though to find out what that mystery tackle busting fish is in "The Dropzone".

As for jigging.....I have absolutely no idea!!!

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Im not trying to push

Wed, 2007-03-21 11:57

Im not trying to push oceanside at all, iv only been in there 2 or 3 times i think! Ryans and honsus knowledge is why i would suggest them and they have the range of products they you require. I dont go in there because they sponsor the site or they maybe good blokes i simply go there for service which is all i give a shit about. Ill be happy to spend more than the products worth if i know its actually what i want. Give em a shot and you dont have to buy anthing from them at all, they will give you the knowledge to put you in the right area, thats service for you. I dont get any kick backs and it took me nearlly 3 years to find a shop that new what they were talking about. hope this helped dude,chris.

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Overhead: Line capacity

Wed, 2007-03-21 12:35

Overhead: Line capacity although with a managable sized overhead (satist, saltiga, accurate, trinidad) would be similar to that of a larger spinner anyways when using heavier lines, smoother drag as the line isnt being pulled on a 90' over a roller but not as high as the stated max drag ratings of satliga's etc (30kg?) as far as i know a saltist overhead puts out around 12kg'a of pressure as standard (which should be plenty anyways)
Left vs right retrieve is set with an overhead and some spinners (van staal, accurate) so you have to be sure you know which side you want to fish with
Price, generally an overhead (unless its a very top shelf reel) are cheaper than the spinners, keeping in mind im not referring to spheros',salina's or spinfishers
i guess if you know someone with a setup see if they'll give you a bash and see which your comfortable with

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For a multipurpose reel I'd

Wed, 2007-03-21 16:00

For a multipurpose reel I'd probably go for a Trinidad or Saltiga overhead. Got the capacity needed for deep water jigging in a smaller reel ideal for bottom bouncing.

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Thats what i use Jay and are

Wed, 2007-03-21 16:18

Thats what i use Jay and are very happy. Ive got the saltist 30t and love it.

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Hi Jimbo, there's no

Wed, 2007-03-21 19:16

Hi Jimbo, there's no obligation to buy anything from the shop. We're there to provide a service to help everyone.

Personally I would go an overhead if you're gonna bottom bash with the same outfit. The reason is becos the way the spool and the gearing is setup. A spin reel winds line onto the spool at 90 degree angle causing stress to the spool shaft and the shaft is only supported at one end. An overhead's spool is supported at both ends. While fishing heavy weights put alot of strain on the shaft and then the gears.

Hence why there's a major preference of overheads than spin reels. As for rods....they are quite a few to choose from nowadays. They can range from the cheap like Berkley Dropshot and Silstar Crystal blue Powertips to the Shimano JigWrex, Van Staal and the numerous custom sticks available.

Name a budget and this should narrow down your choices. One is already sorted.....go an overhead if you're gonna bottom bounce with your jig gear.

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Cheers for the plug

Wed, 2007-03-21 19:18

Cheers for the plug SPESS.......you can come collect your lamingtons....Im out of those bottles of US-KEEZ'R

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o/hds

Wed, 2007-03-21 20:15

suppose depends what your preference is! I love O/hds and if you wana have fun with those freight trains try a calcutta700 oaded w 20 or 30pd gd braid and a spectrum plus 10kg, youll have a ball!

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AGREE...

Wed, 2007-03-21 20:27

I agree with Andy. Took the words out of my mouth.

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What about Jig/cast rod?

Wed, 2007-03-21 20:39

O.k then what if I decide to get a large spinning reel what would be a good rod for use for jigging and casting? Without getting overly expensive, something about $100 - $200

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Berkley Dropshot, Silstar

Wed, 2007-03-21 20:46

Berkley Dropshot, Silstar Crysral Blue Powertip, Pflueger do a nice jig stick as well....if you can push your budget to mid 200's you could look at the Daiwa Saltist (formerly Catalina), Strudwick Bluewater Jig, Rapala Braid concept and lastly...Shimano T-Curve....Most of these jig rods are just that but can cast occasionally, just not the same distance as longer rods.

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Just thought I'd point out,

Wed, 2007-03-21 21:39

Just thought I'd point out, it seems you might seem confused. If not, then oops =P

"As it is I am hearing good stuff about the jigmaster rods not just from hear but have just read some stuff on a US forum
This is the link on Jigging Mater 500 rod I am assuming they are the same sort of Jigging Master blanks that ocean side use.

http://www.360tuna.com/showthread.php?t=79"

I found this a bit mixed up. As far as I have been told, and I hope those that tell me might know for sure, that the Jigging Master rods are built in Taiwan by AG. Sold in Taiwan, Singapore, Australia, NZ, etc and US via anglers proshop. Built on Jigging Master blanks. Available from 100g to the 500g model.

Jigmaster rods are sold by Oceanside only. I don't know what blanks they are built on, as honsu hasn't told me =P

I'm not saying whats good or whats not, merely pointing out that you might have been confused by the names.

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Rod strength

Wed, 2007-03-21 21:47

Honsu the reel I am looking at is a Fin-Nor OFFSHORE SPINNING REEL OFS95 http://www.finnorfishing.com/offshore_reels.html reading on a US site where the reel has been put through its paces it has a 60lb max drag rating, but preferable where still smooth drag at 50lb. I was thinking of loading it with 80lb spectra line. Knowing this which of the above rods you mentioned would still be suitable.

http://www.360tuna.com/showthread.php?t=343

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Hi Jimbo1 (slacker...lol)

Thu, 2007-03-22 12:14

Hi Jimbo1 (slacker...lol) Those Fin-Nor reels are not available yet in Australia but yeh it certainly looks like it can handle anything.

As for the link to the US forum about Jigging Master rods......our Oceanside rods are "Jig" Master not "Jigging" Master. So you're reading about a different brand altogether.
Oceanside Jig Master are exclusive only to us.

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These look nice too! Only

Thu, 2007-03-22 13:12

Jimbo these look nice too! Only thing is the drag knob might be hard to turn if your fingers are wet.

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Get one from US

Thu, 2007-03-22 14:03

Was planning on getting the Fin Nor reel from the US. Works out a little over $200 with postage. Which I figure is not overly expensive for a reel with its capabilities.

James

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warranty might catch you out

Thu, 2007-03-22 15:42

warranty might catch you out but if it dosen't cut it?

i spotted these reels a while ago, posted a pic up too have to wait and see what they're like when they're released in oz

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Fin Nor

Thu, 2007-03-22 22:36

Them fin nors are top spinners ;)

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Spin or overhead

Fri, 2007-03-23 00:24

I do lots of bottom bashing/drifting and use both types of reel tho without a doubt the overhead beats all - for direct contact with the hook/livebait and ease of use, but I use both types for whatever jigging I do.

However, if your starting out, don't become one of those 'hands everywhere' anglers, just look at the videos to see what I mean - guys winding the reel - then changing over and holding the rod with the same hand, its just poor technique and a waste of effort.
Learn correct technique, where you hold the rod with your casting arm/hand, then you just tuck the rod butt under the same arm, and wind the reel with the other hand, its a simple, smooth and effortless process.
If you swap about or you'll get into a right mess - where you'll end up holding the rod with the 'wrong' hand, just as you want to use it to wind the reel (unless you use a spinner and put a handle on both sides).
Just watch the vids and see what I mean, explanations are not required.
(I know the above is gonna get some peoples knickers in a twist but its the plain and simple truth).

As for rods, just make sure it has a decent butt and locks up correctly (that means it doesn't keep bending like a peice of spagetti) and dont buy anything unless you've lifted some weight with it.

Hold tight and enjoy the ride, it'll last a lifetime.

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Spot on Mick

Fri, 2007-03-23 07:03

Go the lefties!!

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Cheers honsu, i like

Fri, 2007-03-23 07:28

Cheers honsu, i like strawberry ones! Go the lamingtons, i told you theres no kickbacks.

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