Pacemaker 21
Submitted by nico on Thu, 2011-07-21 19:54
Hi Guys
Can anyone give me info on Pacemaker hulsl 21 Half cab looks very similar to Haines Hunter / Bertam hull i guess 20-21 Degree deadrise when where these built and by who? I have found one that could be a good restorer as my hands are getting itchy for more Glass work and plenty of custom mods and i also came across the moulds but dont think i have the space and time to build from scratch. Any help would be good
cheers Nico
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Dizzy
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Looks like a variant of the
Looks like a variant of the Pacemaker 210 Offshore.
Great Ride, very solid, nice & dry.
Classic WA made hull - my grandfather had a "Trendsetter 175" in the early 70's
I was actually looking at one before I found my boat (Chivers), which essentially uses the same hull (Chivers bought the Pacemaker moulds and modernised / enhanced it).
I got plenty of pics while I was doing my pre-buy "research" :
(I was seriously looking at the one with the dark blue canopy)
The red one is the shorter "Ranger"
Cammos
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From my experience assuming
From my experience assuming the hull is structurally sound you would do well to break one.
carnarvonite
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Early days
When they were first kicking off I think Ron Calais [the Frenchman] had the moulds for a while then sold them to Peter Blowfield [both were situated in Bunbury] and who had them next I have no idea.
fishy fingers
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I have a Kingcraft
and I' pretty sure is a pacemaker hull, they where made in queens park by a guy named brett saggers they also made the
key west boats, looking at the pics they are identical
fishy fingers
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I'm not trying to make a point here!
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squidder
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Pacemaker
Pacemaker moulds were indeed held and used by Peter Blowfield who later sold them to one of his workers then the moulds ended up in the hands of a dealer in Mandurah, not sure who, but the moulds may have been renamed.
Very good hull the 20 footer inboard, absolute unreal ride but very hard to find one these days.
Patto 1
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Iv got the 2100 offshore
Iv got the 2100 offshore pacemaker which used to be an inbourd but has had a pod put on the back.nice heavy boat and a good ride.dont see to many around
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squidder
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21 Offshore
21 offshore are a nice boat that's for sure and as a matter of fact seen one at a back yard boat mechanics place, in Bunbury yesterday with a pod fitted, certainly looked the goods.
"Water Rat" came to mind.
nico
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Thanks boys good as gold.
Thanks boys good as gold.
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scottnofish
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I remember seeing that boat
come of the trailer on wellard rd and slide down the road at about 60 ks an hour , must have been about 15 years ago now ,was some nice big holes in the hull back then
nico
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boat skid
Scottno
which Pacemaker the one called RnR.
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scottnofish
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yes R&R
was sitting around for a while after that happened but have seen it out and about since but dont know how well it was fixed
nico
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thanks for heads up
Cheers mate will be looking good and hard tomorrow at the running surface in that case .
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The_Wanderer
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Hey nicoWas thinking about
Hey nico
Was thinking about this after you told me yesterday, have you considered the frasers? They are bloody good design and as others have said the chviers are great. Been out in 25ft Safari I think it was... tough as nails.
Ben
till
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One thing I always wonder
One thing I always wonder though ... how much work before you decided you might as well give up and get a mould? It might cost you some more in materials, but grinding is messy work and you end up after it all with an old hull.
My experience was splitting off the top mould, cutting out the seats, anchor well, floor and transom out of one boat. We didn;t need to replace the stringers as they were glass anyway. My brother did the rebuild and probably still has to finish the outside of the hull.
What length/style are you chasing? The Penguin Phantom and Huntriss moulds are laid up in Perth somewhere ;)
nico
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moulds boys
Yeah i hear you i know where the moulds for the savage 24 are as well but the cost of completion is out of my price bracket at the moment unless i did the big budget build still got to find somewhere to build them and bla bla bla would be nice though just easier for now to restore only if it has the goods to start with. i was originaly going to bring some rigs from Cairns but forget that idea with the industry in quiet times better of putting the money in to realestate.
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bradz
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Moulds
Yep. I came accross the moulds for the 21 Pacemaker about 4 years ago in Bibra Lake. The guy had some affiliation with Chivers somehow.
The cost of builing up the 21 to a very basic level including a 3 or 4 year old 4 stroke would still come in around the $45,000 mark on a second hand trailer. You would still have a really old design thought. Even though the hull is great, the top decks are really dated.
I had a chat to Bell Fire (I think that is what they are called) a few years back. They also have the mould for the 21 Pacemaker but they made a centre console/centre cab out of it. The hull was made without any timber stringers so was quite a bit lighter that the originals, but completely rot free.
When you do all of the maths you are probably better off buying a late model second hand boat. At least you wont have as much trouble with resale.
Cheers
Brad
I did then the best that I knew how. When I knew better, I did better.
till
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With the bigger boats, you're
With the bigger boats, you're probably right. The smaller ones really have very little labour, glass and resin in them.
You can buy an 19' panga cc out of china for ~$3800US, but a 15' CC costs $11k here.
glastronomic
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The top decks might be
The top decks might be "dated", but,.. you have decent headroom in a functional cabin.
I know what I rather have, BEING 6"2'.
nico
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moulding
True that Bradz nothing wose than owning a no name boat not good on resale when you have 40 k invested takes a lot of time and boats to build a reputable brand been there before.
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Longole
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I know if I knew the cost of
I know if I knew the cost of a new huntriss hull I would have gone that way over my haines signature.
Dizzy
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Top decks may look dated, but
Top decks may look dated on the 210 Offshores, but I don't reckon they look bad my any means.
Still a tough looking and very practical layout.
IMO Chivers did a pretty good job remodelling them with the Eagle 2000 without stuffing up the layout, so I effectively got the pacie hull I was chasing with a slicker look - albeit very mid 90's !
And after a complete refurb :
nico
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Sweet Dizzy that doesn,t look
Sweet Dizzy that doesn,t look dated mate
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nico
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Went and looked at the Pacey
Went and looked at the Pacey was a bit rough for my liking no major rot though. The stringers and gussets were delaminated from the hull in areas in the v berth so i wonder what the rest of the stringers were like under the floor?Thing i did like is the stringer system is a top hat construction hull was a little light on in the laminate department for my liking the trany was solid. Trailer neede usual kill rust cold gal paint job though solid no brakes no major nav or safety gear either johno runs well except reverse gear issue . couldn't see any evidance of it falling off the trailer or major repair work so if it did only usual scrapage only one suspect spot midships for m some one's handy work all in all not a hard fix just nore coin.Made a offer probabally insulted him but did not see the value in the asking price and i would not exspect to hear back but you never know.
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Dizzy
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What was he asking ?
What was he asking ?
nico
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He was asking $7800 Dizzy
He was asking $7800 Dizzy
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till
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Would you believe the mould
Would you believe the mould for the Pacemaker Offshore 21 is in the quokka this week, just $1500 ;)
nico
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The owner would take less
The owner would take less than that don't forget it would still cost 40k to build one though unless you know how to laminate and knowledge of lay up schedules.
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till
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I was wondering if he just
I was wondering if he just bought it, made himself one, then was selling it on.
sea-kem
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Love the Pacemaker. It was my
Love the Pacemaker. It was my first major boat 18 footer with a 90hp Johno. Very dry boat and rode theocean beautifully.Was sad to see it go but went to a good home. Someone told me at the time it was made in Albany. From memory it was an 82 model.
Love the West!
nico
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From the info the boys put up
From the info the boys put up there are a couple of moulds around now the gentleman i spoke to has about 8 moulds in hiis posession .
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diver albie
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I'd love to find one
I have the pacemaker 470 funrunner, only 16 foot but so much nicer in the water than my last boat, a 21 foot regent was. If I could get my hands on the 21 foot version i'd be rapped. Funnily enought the last photo, pirates reign, use to belong to Karl the dealer I brought my pacemaker off.
Vin
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Anyone know whatever happened
Anyone know whatever happened to that 21 mould that was for sale???????
till
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I heard some of the spearos
I heard some of the spearos bought it, ask on bluewater freedivers perhaps.
Longole
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Vin: The Huntriss mould ended
Vin: The Huntriss mould ended up within the club if that is what you are looking for.
Vin
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Yeah I knew about that, I
Yeah I knew about that, I wanted to know where the 21 foot mould is hiding wanted a bit more length than the huntriss.....
Longole
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So you can put on of those
So you can put on of those 557's on it?
Maybe with Frontline Custom? Joe's big boat would have to be close to that size
Vin
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Yep the 557 would be going on
Yep the 557 would be going on as soon as i rob the bank