Pacemaker Trendsetter
Guys, can anyone help me here. I am struggling to find out what the max rated weight/ HP is for my 16 ft Pacemaker. It has an old Johnson 140 2 stroke on at the moment which is fine but I am going to re power after the summer when I finish the CC conversion. I would like to know the basic stats and a bit of build information if anybody knows or can tell me where to look as I have googled it a fair bit and all I really get is car extractors and heart pacemakers.... As I look around at the different boats there are for sale, many of them claim to be very different lengths, I bought mine under the impression it was a 17'6 which I never thought to question but when I took it home and started planning my build I put the tape down it, it measures 16 foot. Are there as many different lengths of hull or are these people just guessing and / or measuring the motor as well? I was under the impression there was an 18ft and a 21ft only....
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davidbland50
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I too, purchased what I
I too, purchased what I thought was a 18' Penguin (Penguin, Pacemaker and Supremecraft were all made from a similar mold) only to find it was a 17.1'. The weight of mine with a Volvo Penta inboard was 1200kg. The motor was a 115hp and managed fairly well with up to four people onboard. If I had repowered her, I would have changed to a outboard and put on a minimum 150hp.
Are you measuring through the centreline or around the gunnels? Some boats were measured the latter which gave them the extra length on paper.
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snappermiles
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it depends on how they measured it when it was built
some are measure from the transom through to the bow in the centre but most are measured from the transom around the gunnel rubber to the bow! and some of the newer models even include the bow sprit and marlin board! i had the same problem with my penguin in finding the max rating having the inboard there was really only two choices i could go the 140 or 230 as i would not put the carbied 190hp! so what i looked at was the weight and how the boat would sit with each of the motors! as long as your not going to thrash it in rough water i would go with a bigger motor over the smaller i use less fuel because my 230 hp sits at half throttle and im sitting on 30 knots!
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mrwinta
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Well I didn't know that.... I
Well I didn't know that.... I did measure it strait from transom to bow so if I went around the edge of the gunnel it would probably bring it up to 17'.... I had thought of building an aluminium pod to create a bit of a swim platform and to give a fraction more length.... I would have thought a 150HP would be way too much for the repower so I had thought about an etec 115 or 130... I still haven't realy tried the 140 jono 2 smoke out yet so I can only guess for now....
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Perry Home
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Pacemaker boats - general info
Hi MrWinta - some details for Pacemaker boats.
Pacemakers were made in Bunbury by Peter Blofeld who has now retired. There are quite a few models that have been pretty popular over the years. 17, 18.6 and 21 footers to name a few - most are of the era of the Voyager / Fraser boats. I own a Pacemaker Charger 560 - 18ft 6 that is currently for sale as I have two boats ( both for sale - the other is a 17ft Shark Cat with Honda 50 hp 4 strokes) and the cook says one of them has to go - I'll keep the other unless I sell both and then the fun and games start all over.
Anyway back to the Pacemakers - Peter Blofeld still lives in Bunbury - if you have a look on Gumtree there is a brand new Pacey for sale - someone has made a new boat accessing the hull mould - it looks pretty good. My Pacey has a Johno 2 stroke 90hp on it - she does 28 knots which is pretty good. I'm thinking of repowering with a 4 stroke or hpdi - depends what I can get for the dollars involved - no good over capitalising.
Be very wary of oversizing your motor as the boat will sit lower in the water and could be tail heavy - that will effect trim and the rest - you would then need to move ballast around to ballance your boat out. My outboard mechanic who has been working in the industry for at least 35 years recommends my boat should have a 115hp 4 stroke and I reckon he'd be just about spot on - trying to find one is the hard thing to do - unless you buy a brand new motor.
Best thing to do is get the weight of rhe 140 Johno from the net and then see what is of similar weight in the newer motors - without starting a war check out a few of the sites and comments re E- Tecs - JMO
mrwinta
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Good feedback- Cheers... yea
Good feedback- Cheers... yea I was thinking it shouldn't need more than a modern 115, I was only thinking 2 stroke as some people tell me they are making a comeback against the mid size 4 strokes... I also thought 2 stroke as I should probably try and save as much weight as possible.... I hear ya with the check out etec comments as I have spent a fair bit of time googling them but most of the reviews are a few years old and the sponsered tests claim them to be so much better than all the competition.... 2 or 4 stroke honda, yammie, suzuki or evinrude I think they are very similar these days and will mainly come down to price....
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davidbland50
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If you believe some of the
If you believe some of the converted, including my neighbour, the Evinrude Etec is the only way to go. It would seem it has greater pushing power per horsepower and still considerably lighter than some of its competitors. My neighbour would say he is very happy with his right now.
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mrwinta
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Yea I had a chat with a mates
Yea I had a chat with a mates neighbor wh re powered with an etec from Chivers, and he raves about it, quiet, economic, better than average out of the hole and top end power....
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Perry Home
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use Youtube footage
Get on Youtube and type in the Motor, size etc - its amazing how many different movies of motor tests get posted - very interesting to look at & listen to and certainly worth a look - particularly if you can find unbiased footage of tests with similar size motors, different makes.
mrwinta
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I have been using youtube for
I have been using youtube for reviews and comparisons, only where I am working it is slow as fark so makes it impossible... I saw one or two none bias video clips and they were showing the etec to be on top..... not quite what I expected but thats a good thing I suppose... I will watch a few more when I get better internet speed....
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Dizzy
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My old Johnson 115 4-stroke
My old Johnson 115 4-stroke (Suzuki DF115) is going on a Pacemaker down Bunbury way - a Trendsetter 175 (I think), which is 17'6".
The 115 was a really sweet engine and will go great on that hull - was just working a little hard on my rig when I was loaded up.
My 20ft Chivers is from a Pacemaker mould - I just finished putting a new DF150 on the back - will hopefully run it in in the next day or so.
mrwinta
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I used to have a Honda 90 on
I used to have a Honda 90 on my last boat and I loved it... It ticked all the boxes and never a drama. Another boating mate of mine repowered with a honda 225 and he was happy with his untill his mate with a similar boat repowered with a Suzuki DF225 and that gets another 7+ knots on his.... They also seem to be a bit cheaper than the Yammi and the Honda... Could be worth thinking about putting a DF140 on the back..? Where did you go for the Suzuki?
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aaasnapper
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At this point in time I would
At this point in time I would go with four strokes over the etecs. I am a firm believer in the etecs for the weight and simpilicity over four strokes, but unforturnatley I have hearld of too many bugs in the etecs, and the fourstrokes are pretty much bullet proof.
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