Recent and Upcoming trips
Finally......
After doing alot of work on my boat including re-wiring it all, changing the layout of the gunnels, painting, installing seadeck flooring and alot more (Ive posted a few of these improvements in the Boating/ info forum) a month or so ago I finally go the chance to actually use the boat haha
Did an overnight trip, if you have been there you will know where Im beach launching from. The Biggest dhu was 16kgs smallest was 8kgs. Ended up with our 2 dhu, 4 baldies and 2 massive black ass.
Second day went out for a quick morning fish to try get a quick bag before heading home. Only managed 1 dhu around the 8kg mark with 3 baldies, 2 snapper and 2 black ass. Retrieved the boat before midday and headed home.
Ive been lucky enough that Ive struck up a bit of a friendship with one of the guys at Mackdog Tackle and I have been buying the hybrid "Underdog" jigs off them. They are similar to alot of the bottom meat hybrid jigs that everyone has been selling but instead of just being bought off Alibaba or Aliexpress these are hand made by the bloke so the quality of them are so much better than the alibaba crap where the hooks bend. I bought a heap off them and paid I think $10 each or something which is about half the price of the other stuff... Scored a free fishing shirt because I spent about $500 hahaha. Everyone on the boat used them and had zero issues catching everything from the Dhuies to huge Sambos and even a massive tiger shark that decided to eat one of the sambos. So if your looking for a decent hybrid jig thats locally made and supporting local business I highly recommend them.
The boat was amazing. Could not believe the difference the changes I made to the boat made fishing in the boat so much easier. Seemed like there was alot more room to fish and the flooring on your feet was brilliant.. I had rubber on there before and after a few hours your feet started hurting haha.
So this year we have an Abrolhos trip planned and for our big annual trip later in the year we decided that we are going to go back to Mackeral Islands. Really looking forward to both trips and will post a bit of a write up once the trips are done!
Cheers
Happy fishin!
I go boating not fishing
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davewillo
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Some crackers there mate!
Some crackers there mate!
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Skull
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Good write up
Good write up and some cracking fish,
That beach looks awesome to launch off, nice and hard, sadly I don't know where it is and could only guess.
What size boat do you have?
Skull
Piggy
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7.2m
Hey Mate
Its 7.2m overall
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Skull
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Thanks for
Thanks for letting me know the size of your boat, I do a lot of beach launches down south at Cheynes, so my 6.7 would be no problem if I ever discovered your spot.
As for the comments below about how many fish you caught and RELEASED, mate take it with a grain of salt because that's all its worth,
Just because you have the skill to catch fish or maybe it was a bit of luck thrown in or even good juju who knows, at least as you said they released well and you tried fishing smaller etc.
I think there are a few Tash Petersen types on here who probably don't even fish and would eat seaweed before eating fish.
I appreciated the write up so thanks.
Skull
Piggy
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Cheers
Cheers mate
Yeah easy to lauch a big boat here, big drop off so easy to launch and retrieve.
hahaha yeah I dont take it too personally, I try to put up stories on here as often as I can for the last 19 years Ive been a member which is the point of what a fishing forum like this is all about. Just some people have nothing better to do than just read a post and scroll on they have to give their opinion because that is the kind of people they are.
Thanks mate
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Brody
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The point is, that 16 extra
The point is, that 16 extra Dhufish is too many. 2, 3, 4 more yes sure whatever, still not good but i get it, but 16?
The Tash Peterson comment i find a bit stupid mate. I have no issue killing and eating anything personally, I certainly kill a hell of a lot of fish when i'm skippering and deckying on charter boats thats for sure, but i do it as best i can to have as little impact as possible. It's simly about trying to be a part of the solution, not the problem, that's all.
Skull
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Okay lets try this
Okay lets try this
1 boat goes out and catches 16 Dhufish and safely releases 14
8 boats go out and catch and keep 2 dhufish each, now 16 taken out of the system
3 Charter boats go out and catch 6 dhufish each, now 18 out of the system
Personally i think releasing 14 is a better scenario.
As for the Tash Peterson comment and you saying it is a bit stupid, so is she as are the comments made around what a fellow fisher caught and released. Had he not posted you would be none the wiser.
Skull
Brody
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1 boat, 2 people(?) 16 dhus
1 boat, 2 people(?) 16 dhus caught, 2 kept, ~7 of the 14 don't survive (Fisheries post-mortality rate at 50%) = 9 dhus killed by 2 anglers
8 boats, 2 people each boat(?), 2 kept per boat = 16 dhus killed by 16 anglers
3 charter boats, 10 pax per boat(?), 6 kept per boat (doesnt often happen btw) = 18 dhus killed by 30 anglers
Did i get it all right? I really don't understand your logic here, would love the explanation?
Fathom
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8 boats x 16
8 boats x 16 Dhu excess......hmmmmm on Whiting hooks? , we know where our future is headed
Skull
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First off
There were 4 fishers on his boat not 2 as you assume,
How many charter boats out of Perth only take 10 Pax? why the ? mark, another assumption perhaps.
You claim 7 of the 16 fish that were caught and released died based on fisheries rate of 50% which is another assumption,
Did you get it right, no you didn't.
As for the 6 Dhufish caught on charter boats you state it doesn't happen often btw, the day out that Piggy and his mates had doesn't happen very often either btw.
You blokes make it sound like he does this everytime he goes out, it has been stated that he must not be a very good fisher because of his catch, I would think he must of been doing something right to catch those fish.
and with that I am out, done and dusted
Skull
Brody
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Dude, i wasn't assuming
Dude, i wasn't assuming anything, hence the question marks, just trying to make sense of whatever you were trying to get across?
10-12 is around average for the boats that are in perth. I only had 8 on yesterday, normally we have 9-12 pax.
I, you or the people on the boat have no way of telling how many of the released fish lived or died, so just going by what fisheries model from.
Did you make any sense in your posts, no you didn't.
Doesn't matter if it doesnt happen very often or not, the point is there is no need to be catching that many dhus.
I never said that at all and i don't think anyone has, i think you need to stop assuming hey. I'm purely coming from a sustainability point of view and trying to educate, pretty simple. If that gets taken the wrong way or in some other context then so be it.
We are so fortunate to have these quality fish in our waters and I think most people under-appreciate the resource.
Shark1
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Lano?
Lano?
Jamie-Chester
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Just my opinion
...but I reckon there are ways to avoid catching and releasing 16 8kg plus dhus in a day.
Because frankly that ain’t good practice.
Bet there’s a few people that have read this and chosen to just not say anything.
Pretty difficult to read given what the fishery is currently facing though.
Trolling. Smaller baits. Different depths. There are options.
Piggy
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yep did that
Did exactly what you said mate, even mentioned in the post started trying for King George. If you have any other way besides stop fishing which we did end up doing Im all ears champ
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Budge
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well done
that first photo is a cracker.
I might take a look at those jigs. cheers
Brody
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Please try not to take this
Please try not to take this personally, but catching that many dhus is not helping our fishery at all. Surely once youve landed 2 or 3 at most above the limit, you've gotta be thinking of making serious changes to what you are doing on the day, which may involve stopping bottom fishing all together for the day and going for a troll or just looking for new ground or heading in? We all need to be better when it comes to this sort of stuff. My biggest day on dhuies, when i was activey tagging about 10 years ago, was over 30 fish landed and released, and i look back at this and even though i was tagging and it was kind of 'for research purposes' i still knew it was not really the right thing to be doing.
Looks like a bloody awesome couple of days anyway mate, i just know that personally, i cant go out and do that these days. Dhus are very easy to catch (once located) most of the time. There is a lot more skill in targeting the other species, and just changing spots is not generally enough to get past the dhufish.
Piggy
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Not taking it personally
Not taking it personally at all but read what I said. We tried fishing for king george and still got dhuies. I understand what your saying mate but when you have a boat of 4 blokes nd you have ravelled or a fishing trip and you get your 2 dhuies and thats all you have our not going to stop fishing, no one will I guarantee that. The only thing you can try is move spots, smaller baits, smaller rigs etc which we tried.
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davewillo
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A agree with some of the
A agree with some of the other comments regarding too many dhu's but definitely relate to this too. If you've gone to the trouble to travel there you would be unlikely to stop once you got your 2 dhuies. I recall at Jurien one time we fished smaller hooks, lighter gear and much shallower and couldn't get away from them. Caught one in 8m on the edge of sand looking for whiting! It happens but yes we should minimise where we can. It's been so long since I got a dhu that I don't have to worry!
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Brody
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yeah i fully understand that
yeah i fully understand that and agree with you mate, though if you're doing all that you can to avoid them and it doesnt work out after a few more dhus, then it becomes a moral question for me as to what hapens from that point. If you can't catch a baldy up that way by moving onto flat ground or off the edges of the ground using smaller hooks and bait, before you've caught an extra 12-16 dhus whatever, then something is wrong.
davewillo
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Exactly what we did mate
Exactly what we did mate before giving up entirely and drinking beer!
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little johnny
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Good fish
I think dhue hunter page does more damage than this post. But can see the point your getting at. We all have to be careful how we post and what we post regarding dhue boys now days . Great looking fish regardless .
Brody
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The posts are not good for
The posts are not good for sure because it is not a good look for rec fishers in general and it seems to more and more promote a need to post things from an ego point of view, which is understandable, we are human after all. The thing doing the actual damage is people catching and releasing way too many Dhufish and other demersals seemingly unaware (or aware but dont care?) of the effect on the fish. Fisheries model on a 50% mortality rate for released Dhus and i dont think that it too far off the mark as an average, once a lot of different factors are taken into account. I've had a lot of recaptures in 40m and under but most fish that are released dont get handled well enough to be given a realistic chance at surviving. They may swim off but a fair portion of those won't survive. We just need to be at a point where it is most certainly not looked on as a good thing to be catching and releasing bottom fish IMO.
Piggy
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Jesus
May as well not even post with all the sooks on here
Like i mentioned we moved spots, targetted king george but still happened to catch dhuies. All dhuies released perfectly I dont see any harm when they all swim off fine.
I bet my left nut that if any of you travelled a certain distance to go on a fishing trip with 4 guys on your boat and the first 2 fish you land are good dhuies, your not going to stop fishing. Grow up sooks
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Jamie-Chester
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You’d lose that bet
Well you wouldn’t have a left nut because you’d lose that bet.
Actually I’ll qualify that. One or two extra dhuies released is understandable. 16?? You either don’t know enough to avoid them or you don’t care. Which is it?
Anyway doesn’t matter. I think you think there’s nothing wrong with what you did. That’s cool. That’s why I have little sympathy as a collective if we get a 4-6 month ban.
Piggy
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1 in a million
You would be 1 in a million mate.
I know alot more than most and alot less than some. I care to the point of practicallity. hope that answeres your question.
Not having a go or dont take it personally but some times theres no point in posting anything on any forum let it be here or social media. Opinions are like ass holes, everyone has them.
I will keep doing what I do, same with you mate!
Cheers
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Ant_S
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There's plenty of fishos in
There's plenty of fishos in Bunbury who do exactly what you first described Piggy. Travel 30-40 nm, fish all day long catch bulk dhus trying to fill there demersal bag limit with maybe a small blackarse or baldy or even King George. It's just not a sustainable way to look after the fishery. I've fished Bunbury pretty hard for dhus for the last 14 yrs and can say I'd safely catch 50 dhus to every 1 other demersal. I don't even bother dropping a line now once I have 2 dhus on board. If I get lucky enough to catch a baldy or blackarse before the 2 dhus it's a bonus. Even if the boat limit was 3-4 dhus your still going to have the issue of people wanting to keep fishing just to fill there bag so I don't know what the answer is.
Jamie-Chester
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Well part of the answer is
Well part of the answer is changing behaviour Ant. BUT there are a lot of people reluctant to do that. As is quite apparent on this thread. Rather than looking inwards people would rather "champ" you or call you a sook. So we will get longer closed seasons most likely. And then we'll see who is sooking.
little johnny
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Disagree
It’s how you bring them up ( they live) makes me laugh ( tag and release was all the go ) epic fail . Release led epic fail . But fisheries still have tag and release fisherman on there books why ? If it’s known not to work . Why would yo ? Is it for science ? Or other ?
Brody
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I've got lots of recaptures
I've got lots of recaptures using release weight, where fish would have died cos it was floating. I don't understand how you can categorically say that they don't work? I can 100% say that they can and do work.
little johnny
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It’s the unknown
I prefer to let them swim . No dought sometimes they would work. Obviously you have seen it work. It’s up to individuals how they look after there catch prior to release . Not having dig at anyone . A ban is coming we all have to suck it up. Is what it is. I actually prefer squid fishing now. I don’t go wide very much now days . Get heaps of enjoyment catching Taylor also. Price off fuel ect. Will help stocks . $2.10 a litre . Need to win lotto
Brody
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fuel
Bloody oath, even in my little boat im noticing it hurt a bit haha. Catch care is most important factor for sure, experience and educatio.
the release weight is the answer for floating fish, gives them a good chance. Same here mate, i enjoy everything, from prawning to crabbing, squid, sand whiting, have hardly bottom fished since Jan/Feb, been chasing macks and tuna from then till now and have done really well, picked up agood wahoo today metro and a few macks, lot more exciting than dhus and a hell of a lot less impact.
Brody
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Mate, if you're going to put
Mate, if you're going to put a post up on a public forum and not be prepared to encounter feedback that doesnt align with what you wanted, then you may be the one that needs to grow up.
little johnny
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Brody
I know you do a heap for rec fisherman . Good fisherman also . I still think fisheries will have more impact . With education . Being human could also Would help on some occasions . Go 2 rocks to Cervantes . Tons of dhues . And a little bit more up . My theory more ground . ( also way down south) Once you have them dialed in ,there easy . Some days ( very rare) you can change location by miles , change rigs . It does happen . Anyway what’s done is done . There still good fish :) all good .
Brody
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Thankyou mate, I only think
Thankyou mate, I only think of the fish and the fishery and still being able to access it when commenting on anything. If it gets taken the wrong way then so be it, I don't really care at this stage.
Piggy
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Edited
Edited the post... Still doesnt change what happened and what happens in the real world
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rob90
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Good fish and pics, the rig
Good fish and pics, the rig looks sex in that first pic! I think if you are struggling to get away from quality good fish and keep catching, it proves that our fishery is no where near as bad as the "research" says it is. Yes out from the usual ramps and ground it's hammered and tough. But do the miles and get the smiles. A massive coastline and this proves that the fishery is strong in certain areas. Some will interpret it one way and others like me will just be jealous that you were able to get out and have a cracker weekend.
Hi my name is rob............. and I'm a........... fishaholic
Skull
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Totally agree
Totally agree Rob, they are days we all dream of (except Mr Chester) so you have to enjoy the experience when it happens.
Skull
Piggy
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totally agree
Thanks mate totally agree
Yeah the 200 and the boat on the beach was a bloody goodpic taken by one of the deckies, got a couple of good shots for the trip.
I think that more "Research" is needed haha
Going back around 7-10 years ago we use to go out and struggle to catch a dhuie. Techniques have changed along the way but now days I cant remember the last time we went out and didnt get one at least.
Cheers
I go boating not fishing
davewillo
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Yep it's a cracker photo for
Yep it's a cracker photo for sure. It'd be my screensaver if it was my rig!
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Jim
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Sounds like good fishing,
Sounds like good fishing, but i think your head is in the sand in regards to putting up fishing reports these days. "caught and released a couple of dhuies' would have gone down alot better imo. Its great seeing reports but these days it has to be done smarter. I agree with LJ that facebook dhu page is doing alot of damage to rec fishos.
Bend over
Brody
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Agree Jim, though that's
Agree Jim, though that's really a perception thing in terms of trying to not look to bad, rather than tackling the actual issue of physically catching and releasing too many excess fish. I think that most fishers do give a shit, it just seems like there is a lack of education and awerness as to what is positive and negative behaviour. Going forward with decisions being made in regard to our demersal fishery, rec sector really needs to be leading the way in better sustainability practices to have any chance of being able to fish for demersals in the future.
Swompa
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Jeez there is a lot of crap
Jeez there is a lot of crap in this thread.
Well Done, Piggy.
I took my tinny out from there and we didnt even see a fish so you must have spoken to the right gods that day.
Boat looks great and glad you are getting out.
davewillo
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Haha well said mate! Like I
Haha well said mate! Like I said above, I catch zero dhuies these days so it's a moot point!
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Swompa
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They're all talking rubbish
They're all talking rubbish
Da pirate
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Ahhh .
Ahhh . Check please .. gonna take
the bill and high tail out of this one .
cheers pirate..
Stoinka
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5.7 Billion buy out of commercial fishers
Lets by out all the commercial wetliners and gillnetters. Import the farmed fish from overseas to keep the public happy and we will have the best fishery in 5 years.
Hooray
scottywiper
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I get the frustration of the
I get the frustration of the orginal poster with regards to all the planning and preparation and wanting to enjoy the day out on the water, etc.
And I understand why people say there's nothing wrong with what he did.
But the unavoidable context to this is the looming 50% reduction in recreational catch and what Fisheries says about release mortaility for dhuies. They will say eight of those dhuies perished.
As it stands we are looking at extended bans, and even a total ban was discussed by Fisheries, and other catch restrictions to reduce dhuie catch.
As frustrating as it would be to have to stop bottom fishing, the alternative is not fishing for them at all or being allowed less than one fish per person per year!
You can argue that the research is wrong, but that's the only research Fisheries has and they will back it in, and that's what Fisheries Minister will go on.
We're in a bind and this whole thread reflects how challenging that is.
Rob H
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well said mate.
well said mate.
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
Walfootrot
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Ok lets get 1 thing
Ok lets get 1 thing straight. No laws were broken so lighten up a bit.
Guys going fishing for the day, gets 2 dhu's to keep and tries for black ass etc but gets more dhu's and lets em go.
Moves to try for KG and gets more Dhu's and lets em go.
What law has been broken?
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
Jamie-Chester
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Ah the old what’s legal is
Ah the old what’s legal is moral argument. Pretty intellectually lazy way to look at things. I could name 100 things that are wrong but legal. But yes if you chuck on 1/0 hooks to try for kgs and still get dhuies that’s hard. I doubt that’s what happened here though. Maybe I’m wrong about that though. Happy to stand corrected.
Skull
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You weren't there
You weren't there, your only assuming and we all know what that does don't we?
You seem like a righteous prick who wants to only find fault with others, you have done it on other posts also,
The guys had an awesome day out and were happy to post it, lets leave it at that, you have stated your point about the number of fish caught and released,
And now you want to tackle somebody because he makes a comment about nothing being done illegally, time for you to move on champ.
Skull
Jamie-Chester
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I was happy to stand
I was happy to stand corrected. And I was making the point that we need to self-regulate as much as just follow rules. In fishing and in life. And i would honestly love to know what rigs were being used where dhuie bycatch was still an issue. Maybe it could be a mutual learning experience about what we could do better. While I believe I am right in this situation I still have an open mind and enjoy learning.
But cheers for your insightful feedback Tiger.
Jamie-Chester
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I was happy to stand
I was happy to stand corrected. And I was making the point that we need to self-regulate as much as just follow rules. In fishing and in life. And i would honestly love to know what rigs were being used where dhuie bycatch was still an issue. Maybe it could be a mutual learning experience about what we could do better. While I believe I am right in this situation I still have an open mind and enjoy learning.
But cheers for your insightful feedback Tiger.
little johnny
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Some days you can not
Get away from them . Change location hook size doesn’t matter . Piggy done nothing wrong . Just sharing his good fortune . I remember when I first joined site . Few on site where big on catch and release . How time changes things .At least he let them go . Always said if they swim on own steam back down there good . If you have to use release lead there fucked . I still believe in doing deco on them . Only my opinion . Slow steady . Then deco . I’ve gone real gay gear now days lighter rods smaller rigs . Had no issue when I took walfootrot out last week . Also been proven few times ( hooks to far down cut line) got same fish few weeks later .Only my opinion it’s up to the fisherman slow and steady always a winner . If you loose it so be it . Education on how you catch your fish . Don’t take to heart piggy great fish . And don’t stop posting
Piggy
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Agree
Agree mate. The ventrite tool or similar I think is better than release weight. Dhuies fight very differently to other species so you know you have one on, so just slow retrieve and most of the time they will swim back under their own steam without venting them. Cheers for the support Johnny, i dont take much to heart. Sometimes good to hear other peoples opinion, sometimes not hahaha
Happy fishing mate
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Brody
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Vented is not reccomended in
Vented is not reccomended in general and particularly not to be done by anyone that isn't an expert in the method. Release weight is proven time and time again to increase the survival rate of released fish, whereas venting has been proven to decrease the survival rate of released fish, even when done 100% correctly. As you say, bringing all bottom fish up slow so as to allow for pressure adjustment is a hugely positive practice as is post catch care (minimal handling, time out of water, no fingers in gills, fish not laying on dry deck ec etc.) So basically, bring all bottom fish up very slowly, particularly the last 10m, handle fish to be released with extreme care and when necessary (fish floating or visibly full of air) use the release weight. This is all proven practices from fisheries studies, tagging data, anecdotal evidence and my own personal tagging data. Of course, one way to decrease the instance of this issue is to limit the amount you need to release, as regardless of best practice blah blah blah, a percentage are going to die.
Piggy
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All good man
All good man will just leave it there. No matter what I say you know better, same old 3 cats story. No point arguing. Happy fishing mate
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Brody
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Mate I'm not trying to be a
Mate I'm not trying to be a smart arse or better than you or anyone, honestly and sincerely I apologise if it comes across that way, was just replying to your comment about thinking that venting is a better option and trying to inform that it's proven to not be a good option, not as good as a simple release weight anyway. I only think of the fish and if I can have a say about something then I will.
Kyle Evill
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Good fish legend!
Good fish legend!
sea-kem
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Fuck me! I somehow knew this
Fuck me! I somehow knew this thread had gone to shit with the amount of replies.
Firstly Josh shit hot set up the boat looks awesome!
And great work on the fishing!
I made the exact same point on social media once and got fried by fuckwits who are full of shit. That day two guys had got their Bangers within half an hour of leaving the ramp, I said why not keep
fishing as you can still catch other demersals. Got piled on and blamed for being the reason our fishery is fucked, I said if it's legal and sanctioned by fisheries then what's wrong with that.
Also got called out by another long standing member on here for letting my boys catch and release a few Dhuies in shallow water a few years back FFS I understand the apparrent non survival rate but has it been
absolutely proven. That day we were spering them back into the water and they were swimming straight down.
As mentioned just back from Gnaraloo and we fished bloody hard to get our limit and could'nt give a rat's if someone gets their nose out of joint. We gave a lot away up there to a couple of young families who were blown away
with the generosity.
Love the West!
Brody
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Nothing has gone to shit IMO
Nothing has gone to shit IMO sea-kem, these are the sort of discussions that need to happen. It seems apparent that the majority of rec anglers don't understand the ramifications of what's going to happen in the very very near future with our demersal fishery. I know everyone just wants to be able to go fishing for demersals on their days off and take out their big expensive boats that theyve worked hard for etc etc but its not going to be that easy pretty soon.
sea-kem
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Date Joined: 30/11/09
Gone to shit in the fact
Gone to shit in the fact that you've literally hijacked the post with your opinion, something that could have been done on anther thread.
Absolutely these discussions need to be had, but what was obviously a fun and light post has turned into a heavy one and Josh having to defend his position.
Love the West!
Piggy
Posts: 543
Date Joined: 24/08/12
Couldnt agree more mate
Couldnt agree more bud. No matter if I have 1 cat, old mate has 3 cats. Always knows more and knows better than anyone else.
I go boating not fishing
Jamie-Chester
Posts: 114
Date Joined: 28/07/10
ill just leave this here...
but whatever you do don’t ever question your own beliefs or look inwards. That’s the important thing.
https://recfishwest.org.au/news/targeting-dhuies-for-catch-release-is-not-okay/
little johnny
Posts: 5338
Date Joined: 04/12/11
Good constructive discussion
It’s all good . Can tell weather bad . I hate winter
Jackfrost80
Posts: 8063
Date Joined: 07/05/12
Jeesus. Too many knots in too
Jeesus. Too many knots in too many knickers here.
Hey Piggy, can you please transfer to me your problem of being unable to avoid catching dhufish?
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
Piggy
Posts: 543
Date Joined: 24/08/12
hahah
Your welcome to come out anytime mate! Just no talking about footy and phones get turned off hahaha
I go boating not fishing
Jackfrost80
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Date Joined: 07/05/12
Not talking about footy suits
Not talking about footy suits me perfectly at the moment
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
little johnny
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Date Joined: 04/12/11
Piggy leave phone on
Take photos ( location on) . I can’t believe what some of young folks can do now days of with phones . ( regarding getting gps plot of photo) scary stuff .
Piggy
Posts: 543
Date Joined: 24/08/12
Yep Cazy
Yeah its crazy. If you dont delete the properties from a photo you can get the GPS location that photo was taken from through an app. I usually know and trust most people I take out but a couple I have made them turn off their phones so that they cant track the trip with the navionics app hahaha
I go boating not fishing
COASTALJOY
Posts: 79
Date Joined: 11/05/12
g
Good onya Piggy,Keep fishing hard and doing what you love. New rules wont stop you going out in the boat fishing at all, just the amount they say you can keep.
The sky is falling story will always be around.
Fish on
He fishes, He fishes, He fishes, its the only thing in life. All he ever gets is hell from his fed up wife
Da pirate
Posts: 1533
Date Joined: 03/05/15
Good catch .
Good catch mate .. worrying bout crew
tracking your shit . Might a good idea
too swap them out if your that concerned!!
personally I fish with mates and no randoms .
not that I have any spots coz only fish inclose
these days . But if you have to start blindfold
crew and take there phones then I'd say pull
the pin .. cheers pirate
Rob H
Posts: 5749
Date Joined: 18/01/12
I'll just add one point
I'll just add one point here.
Regardless of whether any of you believes/supports either Piggy or Brodie, or Fisheries research to be correct, legally, morally or whatever.
These posts WILL be used by people who either want to cut your ability to fish, or don't want you to fish at all ever.
That is reality, sad or fucked up as it may be but I have seen it countless times already.
Cut and pasted to suit someone else's agenda.
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
eziliving
Posts: 865
Date Joined: 30/12/09
Yep very true. A bit like
Yep very true. A bit like the current election "it's not my job"
Get busy living, or get busy dying!
Jamie-Chester
Posts: 114
Date Joined: 28/07/10
Rob I think you might be one
Rob I think you might be one of the guys involved in hashing out solutions at the moment. (I might be wrong). But the problem is not the posting - it’s the fact that this sort of thing happens. And many people are not willing to rethink how they do things.
And if there comes a point in discussions where its suggested that self regulation and education can help alleviate the problem of broad scale closures...well it might pay to remember this thread because I reckon trying to get people to voluntarily change some of their thinking and behaviour will be like pissing into a stiff sea breeze.
It does make me wonder after the literally 1000s of hours I’ve put into voluntarily trying to protect the rights of anglers as well as the resource over the years why people respond like this. I know Brodie well enough to know that he’s only trying to be constructive here too. Instead of being willing to self examine and think people often times just respond with personal abuse when nothing that was said was in any way personal. It weirds me out.
Ideas are meant to be discussed. But that’s just my opinion.
Skull
Posts: 630
Date Joined: 03/01/12
1000's
1000's of hours in your profession as a Marine Biologist? Getting paid to do what you do and now using that to say you are trying to protect the rights of anglers and the resource, as if this is done by you as a goodwill gesture, Mmmmmmm I wonder.
You stated that Ideas are meant to be discussed and yet all you have done is give your opinions, big difference. Give us an idea so we can discuss it.
I doubt there is one member on this site who doesn't have the best interest of the resource at heart everytime they go out for a fish, dive, snorkel using a speargun or whatever.
I know of many fishers on here who have forwarded common sense ideas to the fisheries minister, recfishwest and other bodies only to be ignored and not heard.
Nothing you claim to do or what any of us on here do, no matter how good or bad the resource is, the decisions have been made and no ammount of discussion will change it.
Bottom line is and always will be nothing wrong was done by Piggy or his mates, and you, can now say that because of what I write I am one of those that will never change his thinking.
Well a bit about myself, I am 70 Years old, been fishing since before you were a twinkle in your old mans eye and have changed they way I fish constantly throughout my life. I rarely keep fish that I catch but am more than happy to release them to fight another day and give someone else pleasure at catching them.
Fishing is a very relaxing past time and people should be able to freely express their happiness with their catch and release without people slamming them and stating they are the reason why further cuts and closures are coming, that is bullshit and you know it.
I frequently participate in fisheries surveys etc and am often asked for my opinion on how we can improve the fishery, frankly it is a complete waste of time becuase no one listens or gives a shit, just people trying to justify their existance.
Skull
Jamie-Chester
Posts: 114
Date Joined: 28/07/10
No it has for the most part
No it has for the most part been voluntary. Or at best very very poorly paid. Though mostly voluntary.
Deliberate catch and release of dhuies is not acceptable or justifiable. And if you’re going to do it with any species it needs to be done very very carefully. And with some thought.
Where we differ is that I believe it is avoidable catching 16 excess dhuies in a day. And the reason I called it out is that I don’t want anyone thinking it is the right thing to do.
You accuse fisheries and rfw of not listening (and I agree with you to an extent) but the same can be said for some of the people here. They refuse to self examine or rethink things. So we get restrictions.
Its like people who speed down a street habitually and then complain about the speed bumps that get installed. Anyway it’s hard to have sympathy. And maybe people like Piggy won’t complain about a long closure and reduced bag limits. I mean that’s a point too. He will just find another street to speed down...
Because NOTHING he did was incorrect. ;)
Brody
Posts: 1021
Date Joined: 06/02/07
Skull, what were you saying
Skull, what were you saying earlier about assuming? You seem to know Jamie well, if you knew him at all, you'd know that he's not lying about the unpaid time an work, but hey let's be bitter and cynical, make assumptions and call people liars, very helpful stuff if you ask me.
How do you know that "the decisions have been made and no amount of discussion will change it"? I'm assuming again, but to know that, your real name must be Don Punch i guess?
There are people that give a shit, have hope, and if you have given up, maybe don't slam the people that are still trying.
Skull
Posts: 630
Date Joined: 03/01/12
What the
What the hell are you saying? When did I use the term liar? I don't recall I did, I am not bitter or cynical but don't need to justify myself to you or anyone else.
It is not me who attacked Piggy over his post, it is not me who said he should be doing things differently, your man Jamie said it is better to discuss ideas, well to date he hasn't given ant worthwhile he has only given opinions which you seem to agree with.
How do I know the decisions have been made, you and everyone on the forum can do what I do and contact the decision makers and get their response, its not hard.
And I agree there are people that give a shit and I happen to be one of them, however I also like to celebrate peoples success not find negatives with everything they do.
And with that I am out, I used to look forward to reading all the forums on fishwrecked but sadly it has gone down hill.
If Jamie and or you wanted to challenge Piggy about his catch and lets not forget RELEASE, why make it public and try to ridicule him, send a private message.
Skull
sea-kem
Posts: 14878
Date Joined: 30/11/09
Well said mate, it's the
Well said mate, it's the reason this site is sadly slowly dying is because there are not many report posters, and who don't fancy being fried for something that this site is and should be all about.... the love of catching fish.
Jamie and co could have left the heavy debate for another thread and argue the fuck out of it, don't hijack a good post.
I have no doubt Josh will probably think twice before posting anything again and I myself was going to put up a report about my Gnaraloo trip but because there are pics of dead fish it will trigger the righteous and possibly as some say here gun fodder for fisheries/greens and whoever else has an agenda to cut our abillity to fish.
So no I won't be doing it.
There was a guy this week who nailed a 50KG bass Grouper, one of the news sites put it up on Farcebook and the comments were incredulous to say the least. Poor dude was fried for what was probably a legal catch of a lifetime. I'm arguing with morons on there who are saying it should have been "thrown back" lol you literally facepalm the whole comment section.
I would say 90% on here have changed their attitudes to how they catch fish including myself with slow retrieval etc to try help possible release.
Anyway just giving the boat a tub up after the trip and will share pics with my friends.
Love the West!
Rob H
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Date Joined: 18/01/12
Yes fully agree with pretty
Yes fully agree with pretty much all you wrote.
But I know that;
Unfortunately since engaging in this process I have 2 seperate ongoing family emergencies to deal with and am presently in NZ assisting my 91yr old mum.
As others have said and I firmly believe, moral and legal are 2 seperate things. You cannot legislate an attitude.
As we have seen before unfortunately, the changes will need to grow through the ranks and no one I know of has the ability or influence to drive an inter generational attitude change in one hit.
As any farm boy knows, herding works better than running thru the middle yelling and waving arms.
Despite the responses I dare say Brodie has also given some here, food for thought.
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
Jamie-Chester
Posts: 114
Date Joined: 28/07/10
If you think this sort of
If you think this sort of attitude is some rare outlier I reckon you’re wrong. It’s hard to put a number on it but a lot of people still think like this. It’s getting better though I must admit.
little johnny
Posts: 5338
Date Joined: 04/12/11
Jamie if catch and release
Isn’t okay . Why do fisheries still give tags out ? How many pinks are lost to sharks while tagging for research ? How many dhues die from research ? . People can change with correct information, pretty sure most people now days look after there catch . If they made it 2 dhue per person(Simple rule change 2 demersals per person regardless what species they are). And boat limit of 4 dhues would help solve the issue of upgrading or going for other species and accidentally catching more dhues. Everyone knows if you get a 510 mm dhue and put in your ice slurry . Borderline being sized when back at ramp . Seen many people over the years get questioned on this one . So one that’s 10 mm over size will be 50/50 after being on ice . Not many people keep these size ones that I know for that reason. Not worth the fine
Jamie-Chester
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Date Joined: 28/07/10
Yep it’s an interesting one.
Yep it’s an interesting one. The thing is you really really need to know how to handle fish for release. Wet towels, no handling or minimal, etc. I don’t think many people do this in the heat of the moment. I don’t think fisheries give out tags willy nilly. Westag does and that program has provided a lot of valuable info but prob needs some review in terms of data collection and goals etc. anyway it’s a big convo. And complicated. Two dhuie limit is prob a bit generous imo. Given the behaviour of some people we might be looking at a 1 bag limit or a 5 month closure if it needs to stay at 2. Who knows.
Rob H
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Date Joined: 18/01/12
A 1 bag limit would be
A 1 bag limit would be absolutely the worst outcome of all.
Would decimate inshore fish and normalise upsizing universally.
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
Jamie-Chester
Posts: 114
Date Joined: 28/07/10
Right it’s a rock and a hard
Right it’s a rock and a hard place without changed attitudes - which is why I commented on this post at all.
im sorry about your circumstances- they sound horrendous.
Jamie-Chester
Posts: 114
Date Joined: 28/07/10
And the correct info is out
And the correct info is out there but people don’t seem too willing to voluntarily change or think about it. Their lives are already prob complicated enough. It’s lazy but sort of understandable.
rob90
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Date Joined: 06/02/13
Jamie are you one of those
Jamie are you one of those people that belive battery cars are better for the environment also?
Hi my name is rob............. and I'm a........... fishaholic
Jamie-Chester
Posts: 114
Date Joined: 28/07/10
Haha no actually. That’s a
Haha no actually. That’s a complicated issue too though.
Sea goat
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Date Joined: 26/03/17
wow...just read through allof
wow...just read through allof this and that was exhausting!
reckon good points both sides.
i agree. way of thinking needs to b constanly evolving for all of us in the fishing comunity. we all need to do our part above and beyond what the legal requirements are. firm believer that this applies to multiple areas, not just fishing.
awesome looking boat! I can only dream of catching a fish like that!
good to see some elements of healthy discussion, shame that the personal attacks always seem to creep in whatever the topic....