Sharksmart website - GWS's in the Warnbro sound - be careful out there!
Submitted by Notorious on Thu, 2014-12-18 22:07
http://www.sharksmart.com.au/shark-activity/
in the last 30 days the warnbro sound detector has had 87 GWS detections!
Looks like the Snapper are in - along with a few bigger fish with them.
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Notorious
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last 7 days 66 GWS
last 7 days 66 GWS detections!
where is that bloke from here that was looking to catch a big shark?
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Reefmonkey
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yep
ha yea saw that last night. Not usually one to be deterred by the thought of sharks. Had a dive planned on the Saxon Ranger in warnbro tomorrow... err.. last minute change to a local Mindarie dive instead :)
Dave J.
Notorious
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Why do peeps dive the
Why do peeps dive the ranger? much fish/crays on it?
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Reefmonkey
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just checking it out
Haven't dived it before, purpose sunk dive wreck sunk in 2005. meant to be a pretty average dive though with the vis. was planned to head out with a mate to see for ourselves.
Dave J.
opsrey
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Mostly dive the Ranger for
sighting GWS and paying a dive fee.
seriously though, I can't get my head around the GWS so have never dived it. Plenty of Tigers in Warnbro over summer, but the GWS are unpredictable timeing wise. Having a good seal population 4km from the Ranger doesn't help my little brain either.
meglodon
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Where in the sound is the wreck
Can anyone give me the fix for this wreck, I knew there was a tyre artificial reef in Warnbro but not a ship wreck.
Ok have found reference to it, dive only wreck bugger has anyone seen any good fish on it.
Jim
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Some resident fish there
Some resident fish there thats for sure, and whites frequent the area. A few years ago a white jumped out of the water near the saxon scaring the shit out of the blokes fishing.
Would people mind if I anchor on the boundary of the wreck and berley hard?
Bend over
richo
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Got this email last night
Walfootrot
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What a crock of shit..."The
What a crock of shit...
"
The Department’s advice is that water users should:
What does take additional caution mean - dont go in the water?
Keep informed of the latest detection and sightings - see above
Report any shark sightings - Realy? there are that many there already, do something.
Good to see that the sharks are around during the time of the year when people are planning on going to the beach with the kids.
There are that many of the bloody things around at the moment, and they say its due to the snapper, bait fish etc, crap
The snapper in both sounds have always attracted sharks, but not in the numbers we have seen in the past years.
So now we reap the benifits of closing the sounds to snapper fishing and the protection of sharks.
The snapper numbers are up, and thats great, but so are the shark numbers so a lot of the snapper that come in to the sounds are taken by the sharks.
Wishing everyone a merry Christmas season, have a safe one and stay away from the water....
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
Paul G
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It says 1 shark detected 73
It says 1 shark detected 73 times .must be a local.
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Walfootrot
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Time for an eviction notice
Time for an eviction notice
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
uncle
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move on
warning??
all aggressive fish love bigjohnsjigs
Walfootrot
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Bang!
Bang!
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
Notorious
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Do people really buy that one
Do people really buy that one individual GWS has pinged the receiver 73 times in 7 days?
If there was 1 shark I'm not sure fisheries would take the initiative (scare people) and email all those living in the local area to alert them about one shark, perhaps they would. However, we all know that when the Snapper are on the D9 there isnt just one shark there. Makes you wonder how many untagged sharks are swimming in Warnbro also.
Its also not far from where poor Brian Guest was taken in December 2008.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1102086/Shark-spotted-body-man-jaws-witnesses-look-horror.html
Time to put out some drum lines.
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Daniel Y
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73 detections in 7 days from
73 detections in 7 days from a single animal is a highly probable scenario if an animal is hanging around in a particular area.
Acoustic recievers in a marine environment can have a detection range of 1000m+ (2km+ diameter). Acoustic transmitters or 'tags' are programed to emit a ping at regular intervals. This could be as short as every few seconds, or every few minutes. If a tag was programed to ping every 5 minutes for example, that's 288 pings in a 24hr period. So basically, if a tagged animal swims into the range of a receiver for even half an hour or so, there's a chance it could be detected up to 6 times.
Walfootrot
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Thing is this Gov we have
Thing is this Gov we have dont know what the hell they are doing.
80% of the do gooders that want to protect the whites never been in the drink or for a swim.
It will go soon enough, someone will take matters into their own hands. shark hook, wire, rope and 5 drums..
And as divers we are not allowed to get smokies for self protection, best we can have is a spear gun... think that would just piss off a white lol
Just hope no one gets taken this season.. but I have a bad feeling
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
david.d
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Drum lines
They wouldn't do that. They would actually get a white if they put them in the sound
Swompa
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anyone got some big fenders
anyone got some big fenders they aren't using, some big hooks and a length of chain? I have a totally unrelated experiment I would like to conduct...
Deleted
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better be quick, drum lines
better be quick, drum lines are rolling
Stoinka
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Drum lines are in as of 3pm.
He big fella.
devhay
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From 9 News"JUST IN:
From 9 News
"JUST IN: Department of Fisheries vessel currently off the coast of Warnbro. Trying to capture and kill a tagged white shark from Warnbro Sound. They say it's posing a serious threat to public safety. It's been monitored coming close to beaches where people a likely to be swimming, fishing or diving. More details at 4.30 & 6pm"
GGs
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So they allow researches to
So they allow researches to spend countless time and resources capturing a shark with the intention of gathering data on growth, feeding patterns and migration etc. for the fisheries to kill it for coming to close to shore.
And before someone bites my head off thiking im a right wing shark lover like some out there im not. I think there is an issue with current shark numbers but killing them because we dont understand them properly is not the solution. Killing something we feel threatened by is the ultimate sign of negligence and naivetiy in my opinion.
An absolute kick in the balls to researchers out there by a state governor trying to prove he has a big di*k!
Rant over
Dale
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Yep, my thoughts exactly.
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randall df223
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add arrogance and ignorance
add arrogance and ignorance to that list as well...
Fish! HARD!
Dale
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Totally unjustified, I hope it comes up with nothing.
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petermac
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totally justified
hope they get the bloody thing guess that's what's so good about this site we can all have an opinion , you have yours and I have mine , and we can agree to disagree
Walfootrot
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https://au.news.yahoo.com/the
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/regional/south-west/a/25823529/catch-and-kill-order-for-warnbro-shark/
Best news all day.
"An absolute kick in the balls to researchers out there by a state governor trying to prove he has a big di*k"
Better a reseacher with sore nuts than someone being taken.......
Just saying
Think it time for a beer
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
petermac
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hope i see
hope I see simon peterfrey at the ramp with his shark response dingy , we will be having words
Walfootrot
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Wish I was down there, not at
Wish I was down there, not at work. would have some fun.
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
GGs
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As a researcher and knowing
As a researcher and knowing the hoops we have to constantly jump through i can tell you i spend alot of time with sore nuts!
Its just my opinion but mate. The last thing i want to read in the news tomorrow morning is that someone was taken in the sound. I just think more can be done about the current shark promblem than the growing "kill them all" mentality. I dont have an issue with killing a rogue shark if they can identify the exact shark causing the problem but killing the first shark they come across just to tick the box probably isnt going to solve much. But this is to big a problem to try solve on a Friday afternoon!
Nice size dhu in your avatar by the way.
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are the tags in these fish
are the tags in these fish for research or detection purposes? i thought they are for tracking the fish too close to populated beaches
Walfootrot
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Dont want to kill them all,
Dont want to kill them all, just the ones that pose a risk to water users.
Research plays a very important roll, but if the risk of an attack is there, then it must be addressed.
Would take a shark out before risking someone taken anyday.
The Dhu is the one that got me into the 20kg club
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
GGs
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I agree 100%.I suppose I
I agree 100%.
I suppose I have more of an issue with the way the fisheries are dealing with the shark issue. Drum lines are not the solution and hence the programme has been shelved (to the best of my knowledge). The whole programme was poorly handled, by-catch far outweighed intended catch and there was no transperancy with the public. There are much more plausible alternatives that have been shown to work besides playing lucky dip with a big ass hook and a slab off tuna but sadly we have a twisted government that would rather fund catholic priest training than spend money on education and research. Slightly touchy topic at work at the moment if it's not already obvious.
gillyL I imagine the tags would have multiple purposes. There's not much point going to the trouble of tagging a shark for the sole intention of tracking where it is when you could get other data like migration which really go hand-in-hand.
Although I'm very opinionated on this whole subject it's a long way from the actual research I do. Good healthy conversation though.
randall df223
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Why kill a tagged shark with
Why kill a tagged shark with all that research potential? just keep the beach closed until it goes away.
Fish! HARD!
Walfootrot
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Its not going away, been
Its not going away, been there long time and keeps coming back
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
Dale
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Umm, what about the Sharks that are out there and not tagged? What happens when they hang around unseen?? Nothing, that's what. Because that's where they live, and not to mistaken for the ones on Marmion Street, because they don't bite but that's another story.
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Jaggo
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I'm just about certain I saw
I'm just about certain I saw them deploying drumlines off yallingup a week or 10 days ago. I've heard from a few reliable sources sources they'll be lucky to hook a great white anyway. The hooks are too big.
Noxious
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Let me get this straight, we
Let me get this straight, we tag sharks to gain a better understanding of their movements. But when their movements don't suit us we get out there with some baits and guns and put holes in them? Call me a greeny or a shark lover all you like, but that is absolute redneck science! I would rather we didn't tag sharks, rather than tag them so we can kill them in the future.
Is anyone really surprised there is a GWS in Warnbro at the moment? I'm surprised it is just the one tagged shark there.
As someone who is employed as an Environmental Advisor (not in fisheries), I have a better understanding of the natural world than most, but am by no means a shark expert. More of an educated observer. What really gets to me is when people start talking about sharks eating pink snapper. They do indeed come in to feed on Pink Snapper. But a decrease in shark numbers does not mean an increase in the snapper population. The ecosystem and food webs are much more complex than one animal eating another. How do you know that GWS are not eating another fish species that prey on pink snapper juveniles and without the sharks this species population would not explode? reducing the numbers of pink snapper for us all to catch.
I remember reading a few papers years back on Otter populations, the otter population was hunted to near extinction. With the otters gone, the sea urchin population exploded. With an explosion of sea urchin numbers came a rapid decrease in the kelp forrests. These kelp forrest acted as nurseries for young fish. Without the forrests, recruitment of many fish species fell screwing up quite a few fisheries in the area. Who would have realised at the time that removing the otters who mainly ate sea urchins would have a knock on effect to other species not directly linked to the otters?
I would rather be labeled a greeny or a shark lover. But at least I am an educated greeny who spends my time in an on the water.
At the end of the day F*ck the redneck science!
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Here here, always happy to
Here here, always happy to listen to an argument backed up by some science. well said.
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Walfootrot
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Noxious,QuoteLet me get this
Noxious,
Quote
Let me get this straight, we tag sharks to gain a better understanding of their movements. But when their movements don't suit us we get out there with some baits and guns and put holes in them? Call me a greeny or a shark lover all you like, but that is absolute redneck science! I would rather we didn't tag sharks, rather than tag them so we can kill them in the future.
Unquote
The tagging program is for science and for alerting the public, it is also used by fisheries to identify a shark that is a danger to the public due to its actions or location.
The responce from fisheries and or other powers can be to close a beach until the shark moves, or as in this case kill the shark as it has been deemed a danger to water users.
Science is great, but if you think science comes above keeping water user's safe ( to within reason ) then that to me is " Redneck Science "
There were 12+ GWS recorded in Cockburn Sound this snapper season, not one posed a risk like this one, and most have move on.
Its 1 shark, not taking them all out, so your comment about the Otter hold no water IMO
And I agree, F*ck the redneck science that puts science, above a risk to human live for the sake of 1 shark!
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
out wide
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Finally the fisheries are doing some good work
as the majority of us want. Great to hear about the drum lines in Warnbro sound. Big
from me
Notorious
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Walfootrot: Its like
Walfootrot: Its like fisheries were reading this thread this morning and read our early comments ;)
I agree, its somewhat backward tagging a shark to later kill it. However, look at the duty of care aspect and think about that for a minute. Shark pings receiver 77 times in 7 days. Fisheries and public aware of its presence and does nothing to mitigate the threat. Young Rob on school holidays having a Xmas BBQ goes for a dip and gets eaten by a GWS. Imagine the uproar! "FISHERIES KNEW ABOUT THE SHARK AND DID NOTHING!"
So in their case, its damned if they do and damned if they dont.
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Jim
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They get the tagging gear
They get the tagging gear back so no loss.
Its one shark, the world isnt going to collapse.
Bend over
Jim
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They also get a fresh white
They also get a fresh white to studay back in the lab.
Bend over
Noxious
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This one shark will pose a
This one shark will pose a risk to people that go swimming somewhere where a white shark is known to be. Get in your bloody car and drive an extra 20minutes and go to another beach, don't expect fisheries to kill sharks so it is convenient to go to the local beach.
I'm not sure why I even bother posting, its not like fisheries actually catch any GWS, only a heap of tigers, and can you tell me last time there was a Tiger shark fatality in Perth waters?
Notorious - Yeah, I can see where you are coming from. But to me I would think - what a waste of life and WTF were Rob's folks doing taking him down to a beach where a GWS is known to be. It is a bit like DPaW putting out information that a large dugite is hanging out around a specific BBQ area/park and a family going down there regardless and their being an uproar over someone being bitten? Take some responsibility for your own life.
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So Noxious, what are your
So Noxious, what are your thoughts on the way the croc's are handled up north?
When they get a big one that hangs around?
They get rid of it, move it.
So what is different with this shark
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
opsrey
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Fisheries been at it three days.
Drum lines are out the front of our house. I feel for the fisheries boys, three days with three baited lines and no GW. They have got a tiddler Tiger in all fairness.
sometimes the fish just aren't biting
Walfootrot
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They just need a couple of
They just need a couple of snapper on the hook to get the white... wait no snapper from sound..........
They need to look at what time they should be fishing for the white... just saying
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
Daniel Y
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what time should they be
what time should they be fishing?
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Quite an interesting sight
Quite an interesting sight today checking out the Fisheries boat through my Bino's then looking over to see four or five people playing on the pontoon off Waikiki beach.
Guess word hadn't quite got around to everybody.
diver
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Brian Guest
Was this person not taken bt a GW in this very area and about this time of the year? He was snorkeling for crabs,Thw GW was a very large one approx 4/5 mtrs,It would be interesting if the fisheries have any data on that one and this one appearing now.As it is thought that these sharks have an ability to return to places they have visited,if so,is this the on responsible.
meglodon
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Don't play on the highway - why not
Because a lot of cars are traveling on the highway and there is a good chance you could be hit by a car and hurt or killed.
Don't swim in Warnbro sound at the moment, why there is a great white shark swimming in the sound at the moment and you could be bitten by it.
I'm not a mad blind conservationist but if you are warned of a danger and choose not to head the warning and take prudent steps to ensure your safety, your a bloody idiot.
Those who believe that everything that may interfere with the way they want to use nature should be destroyed by killing it, burning it, poisoning it, or removing it from the environment by any means known to man kind need to step back and have a good look at Australia's past efforts.
Hey, we have too many rabbits in the country I know how to fix that lets get some foxes that will solve the rabbit problem, no Hmmm.
Hey,we have to many mossies in the lakes, lets get some fish that will eat all the mossie larvae that will fix the problem, no Hmm
Hey, we have moths in the cane fields, lets get some cane toads that will eat the moths that will fix the problem, no Hmmm
Before we start removing things from nature lets do a lot (repeat)of study to see just what effect it will have on the balance of nature.
What about the price of human life, if it is beyond you to abstain from taking your kids to this beach whilst there is risk of being bitten by a shark you should be stopped from propagating your strain of the species. Why, because you are incapable of understanding the risk involved in taking them swimming at this beach.
How many untagged GWs are there in the Warnbro sound at the moment, and what are they going to do if they catch an untagged one.
I understand a 2 metre tiger shark has been caught, as it was perceived that this posed no risk to life it was released, has anyone been to the museum and seen the stuffed Tiger shark there that was responsible for taking the unlucky person at Cottesloe beach some years back, no, have a look at the size of that one.
Just my view of the situation.
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Bit breezy out there for the
Bit breezy out there for the lads yesterday afternoon...
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