Sliding - Longer steel trace
After seeing aalfreds whole trace get inhaled and bitten off last week I started thinking that the normal 60-70cm steel trace on my slides might not do the job on the bigger ones. I remembered reading somewhere that some people add some steel trace between the stopper and the windon leader. I tried this a couple of times when I started sliding but found it wasnt necessary, now I know it is I'm trying again. Those of you who have targetted big sharks on slide, how do you reckon this will go?
Stopper ring joined to 1.2m 200lb nylon covered steel with crimps then covered in shrink wrap to ensure the slide sits right over it (yes I know most people attach to the swivel not the ring, I dont like doing that so please ignore it) - double figure 8 join from steel to 1.3m windon leader.
I have tested it a couple of times and the slide seems to move over the knot easily enough, but is there a better way? I was thinking of an albright to join the steel and mono but with such thick lines its not great.
This will leave me with about 1.8m of steel trace before the bait, I have tested all the joins and cant break them by hand. I had complete confidence in the way I used to do it so changing anything makes me nervous, but from what I have seen I think it is necessary. Any thoughts?
Cheers,
Adam
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RAGBAG
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The bite trace is to short at 60 - 70cm i never use any thing less than a meter, most of mine are 1.2m and some times longer for different species.
Fishing in the eastern cape we would catch alot of raggies/grey nurse and they chew up the line when taking the bait its the same with most sharks if they are feeding - they open wide and have a couple of go's as they are swollowing the bait.
Those short traces are fine for these little rat bronzies , i just use a short bite trace for them - 20cm then joined to mono by the figure of eight knot - its the best knot.
That rig that u've made is great , when slidding big 3 - 5kg baits for big sharks , we did the same thing , but it was not for bite off's , but for the added piece of mind that the leader was not going to get burnt of by the slide when fighting a 200kg plus fish for a few hours that slide go's back and forth rubbing on the leader and knot.
hopefully u get to test it out this weekend.
cuthbad
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thanks for the advice mate!I
thanks for the advice mate!
I tend to keep my slide traces very short as I fish a couple of spots where I need to get over a gutter then a bank then over some reef. Anything longer than 60cm gets snaggged up on the way out. Might just need to find some new spots for the really big baits....
You have never found that the knot catches the slide on the way down?
cheers
RAGBAG
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never
never had it happen before , but saying that the slide we used was slightly larger that the ones from khan - will bring one sat so u can have a look , think they were kingfisher slides - heavy duty.
Sharktale
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Hi Cuthbad
Yes the bite trace was a bit short as mentioned above. Fig8 is a good knot. I am in process of getting 1 - 1.2mm uncoated 49 strand SS wire. I want to test a dacron coated wind on leader with these - 9m, as a matter of interest. It's probably too hardcore for what is around and could be harsh on the guides.
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cuthbad
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Bloody hell..... 9m of
Bloody hell..... 9m of steel!?! Will be interesting to see how that goes. How much of the steel will you cover in dacron? Is it made in the same way as a usual dacron to mono windon leaader?
Cheers will give it a go using the fig 8 knots and see how it does. Just hope I get a chance to really test it
Sharktale
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Hi C
Your problem sparked the curiosity. Saw a 440lb slide on sealine. The cable are covered with dacron. It is more or less the same method as a wind-on. The way you and aalfred are going you might need it...
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RAGBAG
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interested
To see how u go with that , if it works - that would be ideal up north targeting those b@stard spinner sharks that love to jump and roll. Never landed one when we were up there.
Got issued a few lessons , but has got me excited to go back for more.
aalfred
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Very intresting with the
Very intresting with the dacron and the 9m steel leader sharktale. Do i understand that right that you dont use a shockleader at all?
Cheers Seb
RAGBAG
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swim baits
Iv seen this being used for swim baits , but never seen any one actually cast it - I if u get it wrong on the cast u might just loose a thumb.
Sharktale
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Hi Tiger (aka aalfred)
Set-up I consider is mainline - bimini - modified cat's paw - 9m x 1-1.2mm dacron coated 49 strand 316 ss windon (it will have a loop at the end the same as a mono wind-on).
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aalfred
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Thats what I thought mate. It
Thats what I thought mate. It certainly will stop a burn off and is much more abraison resistant too. Thanks for the info!
Cheers Seb
psion
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2 options for sliding
Couple of ways to do this mate
option 1: 6m windon steel trace with dracon coat
option 2 is what I use, 6 m windon mono trace. I make them out of tennis racket gut (1.3mm thick and extremely abrasion resistant,) and then slide with a 75cm to 1 m steel trace and circle hook.
A lot cheaper than 9m of steel trace and I feel more comfortable casting with it. Made yourself the 6m windon with tennis gut come to about 2 buck a trace.
Chris fish
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Cuthbad well and truly knows
Cuthbad well and truly knows how to slide, this was put up after having the whole 1m of wire and slide eaten and cut off at the wind on leader just trying to find a way to have a castable wire leader instead of the wind on leader for situations like that. I've also had this problem down south but trying to find a 200lb wire that is castable with a knot small enough it won't destroy the guides as it leaves isn't as easy as it sounds.
always looking for a new challenge!!