Snake ID please

 Can anyone ID this guy I caught in my backyard in Pinjarra? About 2 foot long 

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 Dugite

Thu, 2019-10-17 16:04

 Dugite

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Thu, 2019-10-17 16:12

Yep, doogy

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 Cheers fellas

Thu, 2019-10-17 16:20

 Cheers fellas

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 I am a licensed snake

Thu, 2019-10-17 16:41

 

I am a licensed snake 'removalist' - and have been for about 10 years now. Out of all the call outs I get a rough guess would be 19/20 it is a Dugite I am called out for. That 1 that remains is normally a Tiger or sometimes a Carpet (hills). I've also caught one Bardick out in Alkimos one time. 

Dugites colouration is highly variable, young will always have a black head that slowly fades with maturity. They come in so many different colours and patterns, banded, one colour, spotted, straw color, brown, almost entirely black etc etc.

Feb/March we will see all the young emerge, guaranteed if you find a hatchie - their will be more not far away!

 

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Interesting

Fri, 2019-10-18 05:45

I thought brown snakes would be pretty common too?  

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 A Dugite is a brown snake -

Fri, 2019-10-18 08:51

 A Dugite is a brown snake - another common name is Western Spotted Brown or Speckled Brown. 

The Gwadar is known as the Western Brown. 

and here is the kicker King Browns are actually a Black Snake. 

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well,

Fri, 2019-10-18 09:50

there you go!!! didn't know that!1

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My Mrs used to be a keen

Fri, 2019-10-18 10:35

My Mrs used to be a keen snake handler... not so much anymore

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 Haha same as my mrs frosty

Fri, 2019-10-18 10:59

 Haha same as my mrs frosty

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 Lol, there could be a long

Fri, 2019-10-18 11:16

 Lol, there could be a long queue of affirmative replies here.

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 Some jobs you just gotta

Fri, 2019-10-18 11:48

 Some jobs you just gotta handle yourself. 

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 Working as a garage

Fri, 2019-10-18 13:26

 Working as a garage attendant for Caltex when I was a teenager the local newspaper deliveryman (who's missus was quite hot) came in for fuel one morning telling me he'd just had a fantastic wank. I said Mal why? you have a hot missuss, he said Andy when you get to my age you'll understand lol. And all these years later AYUP!

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Wow - from what I thought I

Thu, 2019-10-17 19:49

Wow - from what I thought I knew about snakes, the shape of the head meant this snake was not venomous because it was skinny and roundish so I called it for a python or something in my head. So I did more search on google and found that way of telling venomous snakes seems to be factually incorrect !

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 Actually kind of the reverse

Fri, 2019-10-18 08:53

 Actually kind of the reverse of what you're saying - as a general rule Pythons will have a broad head and a distinct neck. 

Most venomous snakes do not have a 'neck', that being the head is the same width as the body - this is just a general rule. I wouldn't bet your life on it if you don't 'know snakes'. Best to avoid messing with any. 

 

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We did some snake handling

Fri, 2019-10-18 12:07

We did some snake handling training with work. It was quite unnerving when the bloke tipped a tiger snake into the 20ft crib hut and asked us to catch it.

I asked about the head on them and he said there is no link in-between head shape and venom though the little Stimpson's pythons had a different head shape to the Brown, Dugite and the tiger.

The most nerve racking snake was a 6 foot fat brown snake that didn't want to be in its bucket.

One take away was that if you moved quickly (jumping and waving your hands) the snakes reacted though if you move slowly (think swinging branches on a tree) the snakes didn't give a shit.

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 I tend to disagree with head

Fri, 2019-10-18 13:51

 I tend to disagree with head - more of a distinct neck rather than the head shape itself. But like I said it's a guide and don't bet your life on it. 

We sent a bloke from work on a snake handling course recently - the instructor was envenomated through the thumb by a death adder while delivering the course! My colleague was tasked with bagging the snake while first aid was applied! Not a bad story, bloke who was bitten was an old boy who has a history of being bitten by venomous snakes, he survived (same guy i did my course with many years ago). 

Yeo definitely unnerving for the new handler, but it is the best way to do it is 'hands on' under supervision. 

Agree with your last point about being calm and methodical. I always use the analogy of a small child. If you grab your kids hand and lead them to where you want them to go generally speaking they will go along with it. Bear hug them and do it by force and you will have a fight on your hands. Same thing with snakes. 

i work in construction and do a lot of snake relocating for work - it's like motor sport everyone is keen to watch, but I know they are kind of hoping I crash too! Luckily for me, I've never been bitten by anything venomous. I love snakes, but have a healthy and respectable fear for them too - its what keeps me safe. The day I go to be a hero will be the day i come unstuck and end up in emergency. 

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Was your instructor Bob

Fri, 2019-10-18 14:20

Was your instructor Bob someone? Old bushman who could tell a joke. Turned out course from 3 hours into 5 hours with his stories.

He showed us how to piss off the snakes (wave a bag over the top of them and boy did they hiss at them...

Ok gang, now its annoyed, go and catch it....

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This guy owns Armadale

Fri, 2019-10-18 15:20

This guy owns Armadale Reptile Park - i forget his name, German name. Nice guy. 

The old bushman you may be referring to may be Brian Bush? he is a snake legend. 

Found this on his website a little while ago, his detailed account of being bitten by a King Brown (mulga snake) while in the bush and could not get himself to professional medical attention and had to ride it out! Really interesting read if you have 20 mins. 

If not just scroll down to Figure 4 and have a look at the time line of what the venom did to hsi index finger! 

http://members.iinet.net.au/~bush/Bush%202018%20Snakebite%20ASP110218.pdf

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Fri, 2019-10-18 17:22

Yep, I done my courses with Bushy. He’s the only person Rio get in for the snake handling courses in the Pilbara.

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 We used Bob Cooper for

Fri, 2019-10-18 19:08

 We used Bob Cooper for interest sake.

Cheers for the above link, I'll take a look

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Good eating size

Thu, 2019-10-17 19:52

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 Goes well pickled. Treat it

Thu, 2019-10-17 20:09

 Goes well pickled. Treat it like occy :)

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Snakes and first IA

Fri, 2019-10-18 17:25

Keep well away from at all costs IMO