STCW 95
Submitted by Adam Gallash on Sun, 2011-01-23 08:35
Just wondering how many of you have done your STCW 95's, where you did them, how long it took and a rough cost [I know its about $2500]. Looking to do mine asap [I hear they are booked out quite a way in advance :(] and have heard some take 3 days others take 5 etc.
Cheers,
Adam
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till
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Is that the one Tim just
Is that the one Tim just knocked off? Pretty sure his course was a week down here.
Adam Gallash
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Yeh
Yeh his was a week, hopefully trying to find one that's not as long and covers just the stuff you need, not the stuff you don't.
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sarcasm0
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Tafe
Doing mine over this next few months at tafe, they spread it out over the semester. http://www.challenger.wa.edu.au/SiteCollectionDocuments/Short%20Courses/Workplace%20Skills%20Development/Maritime%20Training%20Centre/Website%20-%20Cert%20Safety%20Training.pdf As far as I know tafe in freo runs them pretty regularly, though that one looks like 7 days.
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freo tafe
cost $2500, 7 day course and you need first aid as well
allrounder
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What a croc of crap
They are going to make you pay $2500 to teach you how not to make a fire then how to put it out if you do.Then they will teach you social responsibility that most people should have instilled long before they need to be told to take a course for it.Personal survival could come in handy
All you need to know for that one is surround yourself with people that cant move as fast as you.
Just one more piece of paper that they say you need to perform a job that has been done for years with commonsense and hard work.If you are an idiot no amount of training courses are going to change the fact
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
Adam Gallash
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Too true
Too true, except you need that piece of paper so you can pay that $2500 back in the first week of work.
I've heard theres no RPL either, so all that coxswains training doing effectively the same thing is ....
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Lucky Tim
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sort of agree Tony but it's
sort of agree Tony but it's something anyone who wants to work in the marine field needs to get used to- lots of qualifications and courses are needed and none of them are cheap.
Some of the stuff they teach you on this course I would expect a child to do instinctively but they have no idea of one persons skills to the next so it all needs to be bought down to a very basic level and you need to work up from there. The practical components (fire fighting and sea survival) are relevant and useful, even if it only gives you an appreciation of how hot and difficult even small fires can make enclosed spaces.
After seeing how some people react to even basic problems, both on land and at sea, I would personally make this course a hell of a lot harder than what it is, and make it an assessment rather than a "rock up and pass" sort of course. I can tell you that some of the people I know who work on boats, I wouldn't even like to be walking down a street they are driving a car on let alone counting on them to save me in a rescue situation. Might be a bit rough but help is a long way away out at sea.
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Decky
Had an ad in the paper a few years back for a decky. A young ldy replied and wanted to come out for a run to see if she would cope with the work. She had her MC5 and Med2 so I thought it was worth a look. Wrong, she had spent all her sea time down the blunt end of a scallop boat shucking and knew nothing at all about the practical side of the job let alone handle a knife. Lesson learnt very quickly, don't trust the bits of paper
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Its a way of making sure everyone
is on the same page when something happens as well. I could go on and on but I wont!!
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wombat78
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if you went & worked at some
if you went & worked at some of these places youd understand why some of these courses are needed there are alot of people out there that can not think for them selfs alot of book smart people but in the real world
they dont have a clue they get a uni degree & think there just it or if there computer or lecture said something well thats the way it happens you cant change it it just stresses you out & commonsense go out & have a look theres no such thing any more good old australia breeding stupid people for the future we had one bloke that nearly took off his hand lucky it was only a couple of fingers but the out come was his take 5 was
inadaquite not that he was an idiot & had no place doing what he was doing he just didnt have the right paper work this is comming from the big bosses go figure its not getting any better either you hit the nail on the head with your comments but that was the old australia welcom to the new one run by lawers & accountants dont think just do as your told
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What ever happened to the old school
here you go mate i have a job for you if you are a fool i will fire you and find another.Now you need to find a guy that has done 5 courses and has no on the tools experience(so to speak) and then you cant fire them for fear of unfair dismissal laws.The further forward we go the more backward we are becoming
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
till
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The problem is really that if
The problem is really that if you find out they're incompetent by them accidentally harming coworkers, or worse.
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That comes more down to supervision
If you are competent in your job and a newbie comes on site you will know in minutes if they are up to the task,will need to be worked with for a while or are just plain dense as two planks.If you dont then you need to reconsider your position as well.jmo
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
till
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Dunno, I think that just
Dunno, I think that just really qualified my argument. If I can make people pay $2500 so that I can just give them a job, instead of having to watch them like a hawk, its money well spent.
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Not really Till
Just because some knob has paid $2500 for piece of paper doesnt take away from the fact he is a knob.Still have to watch him like a hawk and sack his arse if it is required.I would rather have someone working next to me that has commonsense than a guy that has a whole file full of paper and still no idea.
That way we both go home instead of him killing me with stupidity.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
till
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Thats the sad thing, training
Thats the sad thing, training isn't supposed to be paying for a piece of paper, doesn't sound like much weeding is being done.
Its like those places that brag about getting an RST in an hour or two. The current process looks a bit too much like rubber stamping.
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did mine i think it took a
did mine i think it took a week from memory
Stanno
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Adam, RPL (recognition of
Adam, RPL (recognition of prior learning) can be argued for if you really want to push it. You have to provide evidence, sometimes a lot of it. It has to be in the same context as the proposed course. It needs to be recent (approx 5 years). And, to top it off, you still have to pay the same amount. You are charged for the RPL process. So, sometimes it pays to suck it up and just go with the flow. Yes, a lot of it will seem pointless to experienced people, but even the most experienced will gain something. A qualification is generally an entry to employment, not a ticket to say how good you are. Everyone has to start somewhere,eh?
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Yup
That is true Stanno. I was more hoping that I could try and get it down to 3 days as getting 5 off work is hard at the moment (especially with a day flying to and from either side of the course) But yes, there's always more to learn and I guess refreshing stuff isn't going to hurt. The only reason I asked was we did all our life raft, life jacket and elements of shipboard safety training on my coxswains about 6 weeks ago, thought it may have saved me some time.
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carnarvonite
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Jeffo
Ask Jeff who he did his with.
Trouble with most industries is you have to turn your brain off once you walk in the door. For simple tasks you need , work permits, spotters if its hot work, area tape off, signage, lockouts, isolations, PPE , you name it. Most times you would have finished the job and been on your way before the permit was issued. Insurance worries are turning the average worker in to zombies who cannot or don't have to think of their own personal safety. And this is from someone who spent 25+ years in the mining industry as a worker through all the stages up to shift foreman and was only too happy to jump ship and go fishing for a living where you have to be on your game all the time.
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Sorry Adz but there's no easy
Sorry Adz but there's no easy way around it except to bite the bullet and just pay up. You can try IFAP direct instead of Challenger Tafe where you may save a few hundred dollars
http://www.ifap.asn.au/training/ser.html
As for RCC, I really doubt it beacuse this is an international ticket that seems to get taken very seriously and it could save a lot of hassle (read lawsuit) for the training provider to just make you attend the course than assess your prior learning and take a punt that you paid attention.
The basic Certificate of Safety Training (STCW95 is the rule book that this all falls under, it is not the certificate you get in the end) consists of Basic Fire Fighting, Personal Survival Techniques, Personal Safety and Social Responsibility and Elementary First Aid. Excluding the first aid cert, it is a 6 day course (2 at fire range, 1/2 at the pool and the remainder in the classroom). This is the certificate that you need to work offshore or overseas. Currently you do not need it for state boats but most bigger companies fall under the AMSA banner where it is required, and they insist you have it.
Once you have done your CoST certificate, you can then up skill by doing other STCW95 modules like advanced fire fighting, fast rescue craft, ship masters medical etc.
I know it is a pain to do this sort of stuff but in the scheme of things when you are employed offshore it is a small investment for a big return. Just get onto it quick as courses fill up very fast.
wombat78
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yeah adam chat to the blokes
yeah adam chat to the blokes at tafe you can do bit by bit or take what tickets you have got in & they do reconise them but as one bloke said your still going to have to pay the same but should be able to get days knocked off
Lucky Tim
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yeah but with the STCW
yeah but with the STCW certificates, if your previous course is not an exact match you have to redo. That's the trouble with international quals, every country teaches something different hence the world wide standard of STCW95. I hope Adz can get some RCC but reckon it's unlikely.
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STCW95 April 11-16th
Is earliest available at challenger tafe, sounds like it is also booking quickly.
Adam Gallash
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unless its meant to be!!
Unless someone pulls out, YIPPEEEE, booked in Monday 31st to Friday 4th of Feb. :)
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sarcasm0
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Like you said, it was meant to be
I had to talk to the admin ladies this morning so I thought I would ask.
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nice. Did you manage to
nice. Did you manage to weasel your way out of a day?
Adam Gallash
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Nah
Just counted myself lucky that I got in on such short notice, managed to get flights and time off work. Hopefully just need the job to come through the following week and I'll be happy a camper.
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Stanno
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As it is training towards
As it is training towards your employment, it should be a tax deduction too. Have to ask your accountant.
Good luck with the course Adam.
till
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Actually that really depends
Actually that really depends on where you get your income from whether or not its allowable.
If you're training to enter a new type of employment, then its apparently not am allow able deduction.
http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?docid=TXR/TR989/NAT/ATO/00001
Naturally I'm not a tax advisor, speak to one to find out for sure.
barneyboy
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Yep true
it has to be to help with an advancement in you existing place of work!!
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