totally disgusted
My mate and I have been fishing quite a lot these past few months on the beach and on the Swan River. Every time we have fished i we speak to people that complain about the Asians and Indians that come here and take every fish they catch regardless of their size. Then as we are fishing with these same people (not wanting to be racist but they are white Australians) we see them catching plenty of juveniles AND KEEPING THEM! Taking home Bream that clearly are undersize and choppers that would be lucky to be 15cms long!
We have said to a few of them that the fish look undersize and then they turn and say "One won't hurt" yet they have a bucket load! Same goes with crabs. It is easier to blame the Asians and indians, than it is to take responsibility for their own actions.
Last night I threw a Bream back that was 24cm long (undersize by 1cm). This guy that was there fishing as well said "It is only just undersize mate, keep it." This attitude outrages me.
"Still Learning"
Dreamweaver
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Date Joined: 01/12/07
totally understand
Totally understand your disgust MacMan, a very selfish attitude to keep under sized fish - that's what, in part, 'Fish for the Future' is all about. call fishwatch.
Colin
Soon to be de "dreamweaver" ed!
Rob_Seed
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Date Joined: 09/04/08
The 24 hour fish watch
The 24 hour fish watch have never responded to any phone calls I have made to them. I have given up, This also outrages me as Mac Man said individuals of every race have the same attitude.
Your really stuck with what to do as you have to watch who you approach with this sort of thing also safety reasons, and the correct authoritys don't seem to respond.
Rob Seed
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abandon
Posts: 204
Date Joined: 23/05/07
It's a shame
It's a shame people are so selfish...and it happens everywhere. It's gotta be pretty damaging to the stocks.
If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
feral1975
Posts: 638
Date Joined: 22/02/07
Just do what I have done
Just do what I have done before and walk up and empty there bucket , it creates a bit of agro but they learn the hard way
Dean
Posts: 1943
Date Joined: 23/02/07
Damage to stocks
We had a man from Asain descent come into our work the other day looking for clips you use for longlining.
Went to get his rego but caught the train. Makes you wonder how many people are fishing illegally one way or another?
peteman2480
Posts: 90
Date Joined: 20/05/07
yeah but feral1975 its hard
yeah but feral1975 its hard when they're of islander descent and weigh 100-150kg and they're 10 of em and the bucket is a wizbin...full of undersize tailor.
feral1975
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Date Joined: 22/02/07
yeah ok i see what you mean
yeah ok i see what you mean eh
Rob_Seed
Posts: 219
Date Joined: 09/04/08
Yer to rite peteman, you
Yer to rite peteman, you want to avoid confrontation and we should'nt have to be at risk.....
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Jamie Chester
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Date Joined: 12/11/06
I'm not racist at all -
I'm not racist at all - Richards cranium behaviour knows no ethnic boundaries trust me.
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abandon
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Date Joined: 23/05/07
More Fisheries Officers
We need more fisheries people patrolling fishing spots ALL THE TIME.
If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
Shag
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Date Joined: 15/10/06
Im not a racist far from it
Im not a racist far from it but i know where some of these comments about asians come from go down to mindarie and hillarys and have a walk around and look in the buckets i guarantee you will all ways find under sized ones in there mate and im sorry if it upsets you but majority of the time it is Asians or older italian guys and yes they do get a bit upset when you kick there bucket back in the water CHEERS SHAG
Before you can become a Master Fisherman You must be a Master Baiter
Leemo
Posts: 3712
Date Joined: 22/02/07
same thing happpend at the
same thing happpend at the narows. they xaught a few undersize blackies and i politely told them 'its probly best to put em back so they can grow to be big ones like that one in ur bucket' (they had a 35cm one ). after they saw me release an undersize one, they released there small ones.
always good to see that happening
bludgin' since 94'
rainbow
Posts: 250
Date Joined: 03/01/08
People laughed at Reg Hunt for kissing
People laughed at Reg Hunt for kissing undersized fish & throwing them back but thankfully he has instilled the habit into many Aussies as they grow up. Pity we cant get the Dalli Lama to appear in a fishing show & do likewise!!
rather be fishin`!!!
Ollie
Posts: 506
Date Joined: 24/08/07
i copletely agree with all u
i copletely agree with all u guy's i have almost given up on land base fishing around the metro area there is practly no fish left and there will only get less and less if these people keep on keeping under size fish i agree with the idea of grabbing there bucket and tipping all the fish back.
GusG
Posts: 547
Date Joined: 07/04/08
Call Fishwatch
I never hesistate to call Fishwatch and dob people in. I might say something to people but I will not get into a punch up over it. I have seen blokes (not of asian decent) set up meat grinders on the jetty and grind through anything they catch. i wont put up with it.
Dreamweaver
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Date Joined: 01/12/07
Sad About Fishwatch
The comments some have you made about the lack of response from Fishwatch is very saddening. As we all agree, this sort of activity needs to be clamped down on HARD. I also agree that, whilst the act and (fish) result is noble, personally intervening is a risky business.
Colin
Soon to be de "dreamweaver" ed!
JoRn
Posts: 368
Date Joined: 20/11/07
its interesting how easy it
its interesting how easy it is to be dubbed "asian", i am viet and it is fairly evident that people of my race do take what they can get...and i agree with all your comments.
However, this stereotyping is a bit discriminating and unfair. I'm just having a whinge, but i have had countless encounters with "white Australians" making racist remarks whilst fishing. I was targetting small yellowtail for bait for my deepsea fishing trip...and recieved comments like "fckin chinks...go home...dont catch all our fish" and my car was consequently smeared with burley and fish guts.
I've even had them try calling fisheries...even tho I had one tailor in my bucket...
fair go i say...
GusG
Posts: 547
Date Joined: 07/04/08
I completely understand and
I completely understand and agree with you JoRn. We are too quick to blame the asians for it but it isn't one particular nationality, race, or some such thing. There are people from all walks of life that do it and they all should be punished by the authorities, not vigilante groups. I am sorry to hear about your car being attacked.
Rob_Seed
Posts: 219
Date Joined: 09/04/08
Hi, As was stated in
Hi,
As was stated in prevouse post its very much a multicultural problem every race has individuals that take undersize fish,
I have had some dis-regarding looks also from collecting bait in the form of gang hook size yellowtail, the people making comments did'nt know everything I was doing was perfectly legal.
Does anyone actually know how many fisheries officers there are patrolling if any?
Fair go, to right...
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JoRn
Posts: 368
Date Joined: 20/11/07
Its all good, I've had a
Its all good, I've had a good run lately so not many dramas...i am 6ft+ and 100kg+ also hahaha.
In terms of fishery's i think ive cited them once at the traffic bridge, and several times during abalone season.
There were conducting a survey or something a few months back on the boats returning to ocean reef...but besides that nope.
Leemo
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Date Joined: 22/02/07
over the last month at
over the last month at hillaries north wall, iv seen over 10 fisheries officers and most of them are nice and freindly and you can have a good chat with em
bludgin' since 94'
Rob_Seed
Posts: 219
Date Joined: 09/04/08
I'm the same I've been
I'm the same I've been fishing heaps in the last ten years out off hillaries and ocean reef on a boat and off the rocks and have only seen them once conducting a survey in the marina of boats going home...
pretty sad I think.
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JoRn
Posts: 368
Date Joined: 20/11/07
I am taking a stab in the
I am taking a stab in the dark here, but i think its all about funding, with the new government, funding has been cut everywhere including my area...i work for the government too..they have us by the b@lls.
I am assuming that fisheries are paid(?), the ones that can dish out fines and penalties due to the delegation of power...and how many would be prepared to work at 8/9pm or even sundays....without being compensated in the form of overtime pay...
government workers are renowned for NOT working overtime...hahaha speaking of which, which day should i take off to fish...ahha!
Rob_Seed
Posts: 219
Date Joined: 09/04/08
This could be part of the
This could be part of the problem and something that has crossed my mind however this does not negate the fact we are all tax payers. The policing of rereational fishing in this contence definatly needs a shake up I think.
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JoRn
Posts: 368
Date Joined: 20/11/07
yeah, I have seen it all,
yeah, I have seen it all, and when the powers above had made their decisions theres not much recourse.
the 4 month ban in my opinion is exactly that, instead of preventing the issue with other worthwhile rememdy, they wait til its too late and find the most "feasible" way or the fastest bandaid solution...this is prolly done to death so i'll just leave it there...
oh well.
blowy
Posts: 124
Date Joined: 20/03/08
freo bridge
i remember a few years back fishing under the traffic bridge lookiing for live chopper for mullie bait seeing two blokes with a meat tub for all the butchers thay will know what im talking about (holds about 80 ltre of water ) well from what i could see there were atleast 60 to 70 chopper tailor under size in there to my saprise a fishery's offacer stroled along looked inside the tub and told the bloke WOW you blokes are doing ok on the yellow tail well dun ( btw the blokes could not speek english) and with a nod of a head from the blokes off he went but it wasnt long befor the officer was informed that thay were undersize tailor he promptly went back and tiped the hole tub of its contence back into the water no fine nuthing but a did you know what you had in the tub ( dumb look on the faces of the blokes and a shake of the head nounderstand) the point im trying to make is even when you see a fisher,s officer thay are not even up with what fish look like ( after typing all that a big hello the the one fisher,s bloke who is on the ball i do know of out there at woodies big thumbs up )
MacMan
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Date Joined: 22/02/08
I am kind of surprised at
I am kind of surprised at some of the responses. I know on the whole it would be fair to say it is mainly immirgrants that do take undersize fish. The point I was making mainly was how these white Aussies (of which I am one, although I never take undersize fish) can sit bagging on the "Asians" yet go ahead and do exactly what they are complaining about!
I would never go advocating chuck the contents of their buckets out as I don't want to incite violence. There is very little, as an indivdual, that I can do. It also is worrying to read that others have called the fisheries department but no action taken.
Still learning
Shag
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I dont think any of the so
I dont think any of the so called white aussies on this thread keep any under size fish there Macman i know i dont i suppose the main problem comes down to education. in australia we get taught about these things we have rules and regulations to follow other countrys are different hence different attitudes towards fisherys as far as tipping the bucket back hell yeah CHEERS SHAG
Before you can become a Master Fisherman You must be a Master Baiter
MacMan
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Shag I was making referenece
Shag I was making referenece to the people that I talk to when out fishing, not people on this board. I doubt if I have met anyone on this board.
Still learning
seansurfy
Posts: 475
Date Joined: 09/08/06
Cultural and behavioural
Cultural and behavioural idiosyncrasies are a lame excuse for anyone not ahering to local bag and size limits.
As an Aussie expat, I've lived in several Asian countries, and the first thing you do is respect local law and customs. There should be zero tolerance across the board, no exceptions. Taking undersized fish or exceeding bag limits is the same as stealing, and should be treated as such......IMO